Going Saturday to look at puppies...
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Just size and color. We prefer tri-color or sable and we want a pap on the larger size. Mac couldn't show because he is too big. He's about 13 inches tall (shouldn't be more than 12) and he weighs 13.4 lbs at 7 1/2 months old. Mac had really big feet so we knew he would be bigger. He has actually gotten bigger than we expected.:lol-sign: He doesn't have much fringe on his ears yet and many people ask us if he is a miniture collie.
So anyway, size and color.
So anyway, size and color.
ooo rescue, PETFINDER
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8558693
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8154704
They don't have as many near you as I expected but there are some. How far are you willing to travel (what states)?
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8558693
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8154704
They don't have as many near you as I expected but there are some. How far are you willing to travel (what states)?
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I hate to bust your bubble, but $500 isn't very much at all to pay for a dog that comes from a breeder that shows. Most pap breeders will expect you to pay at least $900 to $1,500 for a pet quality dog.
I agree with the others. If that sounds like an awful lot to you, you should probably consider rescue. I'm sure that you can get a puppy, you'll just have to be put on a waiting list.
Here is a link to the Pap club of america rescue: http://www.papillonclub.org/rescue/
I'd contact them and just see what they have to say. It can't hurt!
I agree with the others. If that sounds like an awful lot to you, you should probably consider rescue. I'm sure that you can get a puppy, you'll just have to be put on a waiting list.
Here is a link to the Pap club of america rescue: http://www.papillonclub.org/rescue/
I'd contact them and just see what they have to say. It can't hurt!
Oh, you could also find a bunch of good Pap breeders and ask if they know anyone else who has a litter coming up or recently born, or maybe a younger dog that they just got back and need to rehome. I think the sort of dog you're wanting is slightly out of standard, so you might be able to track down a pet-quality pup out of a good breeder that way. Most Pap people (actually most good breeders) have a huge network within their breed and are up on a lot that's going on with one another.
If you want a puppy, how can you be sure that it'll be the size you want? My small (5lb) Pap was a pretty large puppy. If a specific size is important to you, I'd reconsider wanting a pup.
I'd also like to point out that most reputable Papillon breeders do breed for conformation to the breed standard, which disqualifies dogs over 12". I'm not trying to cut down what you want in a dog, but getting a very large Papillon from a reputable breeder is not very likely. 8lbs is much more likely than 13, though.
I'd also like to point out that most reputable Papillon breeders do breed for conformation to the breed standard, which disqualifies dogs over 12". I'm not trying to cut down what you want in a dog, but getting a very large Papillon from a reputable breeder is not very likely. 8lbs is much more likely than 13, though.
Alright now. I never said $500 was too much to pay for a dog. (lappylover) And (RD) if you read my posts again I said we were looking for a pap 8 to 10 lbs. That is within breed standard. We just don't want an extremely small pap. And I do think you can tell to some degree. I was just saying that Mac is above standard, not that we looking for a pap as big or bigger than he is.
You guys are putting words in my mouth.
You guys are putting words in my mouth.
*hug MacsMom* I don't think anybody is trying to put words in your mouth, they're just trying to help you find the dog you want. => It can be REALLY hard to tell with puppies sometimes, and even with the best breeding dogs can pop out of standard. I know many breeders who had dogs that were excellent show prospects until they grew to be out of standard. It's a waiting game for them to see where the dog grows to - and these are people who KNOW the breed backwards and forwards!
I know what you mean about wanting a dog on the larger side of the standard as opposed to a small dog... but I'll tell you that Auggie is 13.5, which is on the smaller side of shelties, and I initially wanted a bigger one... but I raised Auggie from a 10 week old puppy and I love him more than anything. The size is irrelevant. =>
If you REALLY are concerned about the size due to things like children in the house or anything like that, adopting a younger dog from rescue really is a good idea. That way you just plain KNOW what you're getting. Rescues do occassionally get puppies or pretty young dogs, like 6 mo... rescue is a lot like finding a breeder and getting the right pup from a breeder, though. You have to wait for the right dog and the right match to come along, and sometimes it can be a long wait.
We just want to inform you about all the options out there and help you make the right choice. => Good luck!!
I know what you mean about wanting a dog on the larger side of the standard as opposed to a small dog... but I'll tell you that Auggie is 13.5, which is on the smaller side of shelties, and I initially wanted a bigger one... but I raised Auggie from a 10 week old puppy and I love him more than anything. The size is irrelevant. =>
If you REALLY are concerned about the size due to things like children in the house or anything like that, adopting a younger dog from rescue really is a good idea. That way you just plain KNOW what you're getting. Rescues do occassionally get puppies or pretty young dogs, like 6 mo... rescue is a lot like finding a breeder and getting the right pup from a breeder, though. You have to wait for the right dog and the right match to come along, and sometimes it can be a long wait.
We just want to inform you about all the options out there and help you make the right choice. => Good luck!!
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Sorry. Maybe I misread something you wrote, or misinterpreted it. The only thing I was trying to get across to you (and obviously I did a poor job) is that $500 is actually less then half of what many breeders (in my area, anyway) will charge for a Papillon puppy.
The reason I know this is that my mom wants one in the next two years, and she asked me to do the "leg work" for her in finding a puppy. Almost all of the quality breeders I saw charged $1000 to $1,500 for a pet quality puppy with a spay/neuter contract.
Oh, I found your quote. It was regarding what you paid for Mack and you said that you wouldn't mind paying less for a dog then what you did for him. Maybe you should let us know what your price range is? (Again, I did not mean to offend).
Sorry. Maybe I misread something you wrote, or misinterpreted it. The only thing I was trying to get across to you (and obviously I did a poor job) is that $500 is actually less then half of what many breeders (in my area, anyway) will charge for a Papillon puppy.
The reason I know this is that my mom wants one in the next two years, and she asked me to do the "leg work" for her in finding a puppy. Almost all of the quality breeders I saw charged $1000 to $1,500 for a pet quality puppy with a spay/neuter contract.
Oh, I found your quote. It was regarding what you paid for Mack and you said that you wouldn't mind paying less for a dog then what you did for him. Maybe you should let us know what your price range is? (Again, I did not mean to offend).