Breeding chihuahuas
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Wrong, wrong, wrong....totally fallacious. IF you know the dogs in your bloodlines, you would always breed a larger bitch to a tiny male. If the bitch has a history of her ancestors producing smaller, typey Chis, then the puppies should be fantastic. And anyone who will breed an undersized Chi (under 5 pounds) is just being ridiculous. I had an acquaintance who not only bred Chis, but had the #2 Chi in the country and the #2 Toy Dog in the country for a couple of years. A bitch should weigh at least 6 pounds to be bred, and then of course plan on a C-section. Some of the breeders prefer a bitch that is at least 7 pounds.
Putting a bitch under for a C-section is deadly for both the bitch and the whelps.
The main point as I said above is what size is thrown by the ancestors of both parents. And generally many brood bitches are not shown because they tend to be rather long in loin....needed for carrying poopie puppies.
And the vet tech you know simply does not talk about the ones she has lost! Just bear in mind......genotype and phenotype!
Putting a bitch under for a C-section is deadly for both the bitch and the whelps.
The main point as I said above is what size is thrown by the ancestors of both parents. And generally many brood bitches are not shown because they tend to be rather long in loin....needed for carrying poopie puppies.
And the vet tech you know simply does not talk about the ones she has lost! Just bear in mind......genotype and phenotype!
not a prob i much prefer to educat than lecture lol...as for the siggy, a freind of mine on chihuahua-people.com made it for me...if your any good with photoshop (or know anyone that is) there easily made im just hopeless with photo so i asked a friend on the board, the only problem wiht using that method is you have to have 75 posts before you can request one...its a great forum for poeple with chihuahuas though, like this one lots of knoweldgable people with a great deal of live for their dogs, but being its a breed specific forum, you can get a little more pinpointed advice...stop by...
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gwinny willow
Hey! however people need to get their kicks is fine with me I'm just pleased about all of the information I gained from the genuine people!
I can see how some comments can get peoples backs up but they are usually from people with more time on their hands.... You can tell who has good knowledge of breed specifics and who just wants to be catty!
Actually it's really funny Miami has just came into her first heat cycle just started with the spotting.... bless her! Is it true that this spotting only lasts 4 or 5 days, i've been caught on the hop a bit with this one and my whole house is pure white, carpets, bedding, suites ... you can imagine!
Miami's great though it hasn't phased her one bit!
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Hey! however people need to get their kicks is fine with me I'm just pleased about all of the information I gained from the genuine people!
I can see how some comments can get peoples backs up but they are usually from people with more time on their hands.... You can tell who has good knowledge of breed specifics and who just wants to be catty!
Actually it's really funny Miami has just came into her first heat cycle just started with the spotting.... bless her! Is it true that this spotting only lasts 4 or 5 days, i've been caught on the hop a bit with this one and my whole house is pure white, carpets, bedding, suites ... you can imagine!
Miami's great though it hasn't phased her one bit!
*** Thanks for the banner info too i'm looking into that!
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miss miami said:
Hey! however people need to get their kicks is fine with me I'm just pleased about all of the information I gained from the genuine people!
I can see how some comments can get peoples backs up but they are usually from people with more time on their hands.... You can tell who has good knowledge of breed specifics and who just wants to be catty!
Actually it's really funny Miami has just came into her first heat cycle just started with the spotting.... bless her! Is it true that this spotting only lasts 4 or 5 days, i've been caught on the hop a bit with this one and my whole house is pure white, carpets, bedding, suites ... you can imagine!
Miami's great though it hasn't phased her one bit!
*** Thanks for the banner info too i'm looking into that!
And the posters that were joshing you on "thorough bred" are in fact some of the more knowledgeable posters around here. Don't let their warped humor get to you. There was a Dobe person in the mix, and she likely got her warped humor from being around her Doberman!
I was not aware that a Chihuahua under 5lbs is "undersized". I see many dogs in the ring that can't possibly weigh more than 3. As far as I know, that size is correct. Perhaps things are done differently in tiny toy breeds?
I suppose ethics also comes into play, here. I would want to show my bitch and at least get her pointed before I breed her. I agree that the offspring of "brood bitches" can sometimes be wonderful, but I cannot feel right about breeding a bitch without the opinions of many judges. I suppose I feel this way because although I know my breed, I do not think that my opinion of a bitch is enough to prove her worthy of breeding. (However, I am quite particular about which dogs are bred... I'm of the belief that a good number of champions in my breed could stand to be sterilized, as they are all bone and type, and have lost a lot of the agility that the breed is supposed to have.) Again, perhaps things are different in toy breeds.
I suppose ethics also comes into play, here. I would want to show my bitch and at least get her pointed before I breed her. I agree that the offspring of "brood bitches" can sometimes be wonderful, but I cannot feel right about breeding a bitch without the opinions of many judges. I suppose I feel this way because although I know my breed, I do not think that my opinion of a bitch is enough to prove her worthy of breeding. (However, I am quite particular about which dogs are bred... I'm of the belief that a good number of champions in my breed could stand to be sterilized, as they are all bone and type, and have lost a lot of the agility that the breed is supposed to have.) Again, perhaps things are different in toy breeds.
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What you say here makes perfect sense.....however no judge can evaluate a "line" of dogs. That is the breeders job. The judge can only look at 1 dog at a time. He has no way of knowing the quality behind that dog.
In many, many breeds when you look at the pedigree you will see that quite a few of the females used in the breeding program are not champions. They may be pointed perhaps. But when you have a breed such as Collies, or Huskies, or anything else with hair, very often they blow coat when they go into heat, and it takes 6 months to get a decent coat grown back.....just in time for another heat
The proof of a dog's quality is in what they produce. If you know your bloodlines, then you have a point of reference for what you can expect to get out of a dog, or a pair of dogs.
The maximum weight for Chis is 6 pounds I seem to recall. I would feel more comfortable (now, this is me personally) not breeding a bitch that weighs less then 8-ish pounds.....as long as I knew she threw SMALL.
That is where the little males that throw REALLY small come in--no pun intended there. And if it is a line breeding then you can very often predict exactly what you should end up with. Of course when breeding you can never be 100% sure. There is always mother nature to contend with, and her sick warped sense of humor.
In many, many breeds when you look at the pedigree you will see that quite a few of the females used in the breeding program are not champions. They may be pointed perhaps. But when you have a breed such as Collies, or Huskies, or anything else with hair, very often they blow coat when they go into heat, and it takes 6 months to get a decent coat grown back.....just in time for another heat
The proof of a dog's quality is in what they produce. If you know your bloodlines, then you have a point of reference for what you can expect to get out of a dog, or a pair of dogs.
The maximum weight for Chis is 6 pounds I seem to recall. I would feel more comfortable (now, this is me personally) not breeding a bitch that weighs less then 8-ish pounds.....as long as I knew she threw SMALL.
That is where the little males that throw REALLY small come in--no pun intended there. And if it is a line breeding then you can very often predict exactly what you should end up with. Of course when breeding you can never be 100% sure. There is always mother nature to contend with, and her sick warped sense of humor.
Gwinnywillow said:
What you say here makes perfect sense.....however no judge can evaluate a "line" of dogs. That is the breeders job. The judge can only look at 1 dog at a time. He has no way of knowing the quality behind that dog.
In many, many breeds when you look at the pedigree you will see that quite a few of the females used in the breeding program are not champions. They may be pointed perhaps. But when you have a breed such as Collies, or Huskies, or anything else with hair, very often they blow coat when they go into heat, and it takes 6 months to get a decent coat grown back.....just in time for another heat
The proof of a dog's quality is in what they produce. If you know your bloodlines, then you have a point of reference for what you can expect to get out of a dog, or a pair of dogs.
The maximum weight for Chis is 6 pounds I seem to recall. I would feel more comfortable (now, this is me personally) not breeding a bitch that weighs less then 8-ish pounds.....as long as I knew she threw SMALL.
That is where the little males that throw REALLY small come in--no pun intended there. And if it is a line breeding then you can very often predict exactly what you should end up with. Of course when breeding you can never be 100% sure. There is always mother nature to contend with, and her sick warped sense of humor.
In many, many breeds when you look at the pedigree you will see that quite a few of the females used in the breeding program are not champions. They may be pointed perhaps. But when you have a breed such as Collies, or Huskies, or anything else with hair, very often they blow coat when they go into heat, and it takes 6 months to get a decent coat grown back.....just in time for another heat
The proof of a dog's quality is in what they produce. If you know your bloodlines, then you have a point of reference for what you can expect to get out of a dog, or a pair of dogs.
The maximum weight for Chis is 6 pounds I seem to recall. I would feel more comfortable (now, this is me personally) not breeding a bitch that weighs less then 8-ish pounds.....as long as I knew she threw SMALL.
That is where the little males that throw REALLY small come in--no pun intended there. And if it is a line breeding then you can very often predict exactly what you should end up with. Of course when breeding you can never be 100% sure. There is always mother nature to contend with, and her sick warped sense of humor.
And jeeze do I know about blowing coats.. My dog goes out of coat twice a year (you'd think he was imitating the bitch next door every time she goes into heat) and lately it seems like he's always scraggly. If I ever can get him to enjoy showing, I'd have that wild coat to deal with.
I feel the same way as you do about breeding a larger bitch. I would feel more comfortable with it, but I would be concerned about about the long term effects of having many oversized "brood" bitches behind a dog that might be of correct size. Wouldn't there be a good chance that the dog could throw the size of the large bitches behind him?
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That makes sense to me. Perhaps I am just excessively picky about quality, but I would want my bitch to enter the ring at least a few times and pick up a few points (more to get the opinion of a respected judge than anything) before breeding.
And jeeze do I know about blowing coats.. My dog goes out of coat twice a year (you'd think he was imitating the bitch next door every time she goes into heat) and lately it seems like he's always scraggly. If I ever can get him to enjoy showing, I'd have that wild coat to deal with.
I feel the same way as you do about breeding a larger bitch. I would feel more comfortable with it, but I would be concerned about about the long term effects of having many oversized "brood" bitches behind a dog that might be of correct size. Wouldn't there be a good chance that the dog could throw the size of the large bitches behind him?
And jeeze do I know about blowing coats.. My dog goes out of coat twice a year (you'd think he was imitating the bitch next door every time she goes into heat) and lately it seems like he's always scraggly. If I ever can get him to enjoy showing, I'd have that wild coat to deal with.
I feel the same way as you do about breeding a larger bitch. I would feel more comfortable with it, but I would be concerned about about the long term effects of having many oversized "brood" bitches behind a dog that might be of correct size. Wouldn't there be a good chance that the dog could throw the size of the large bitches behind him?
There are those who breed smaller bitches...especially if they don't have a nice male from that particular bloodline, but then they have the date of the C-section already scheduled at the time of mating. And then, it is not uncommon for the bitch and all the pups to die under anesthesia. My Chihuahua acquaintance had it happen several times. Those heads are huge compared to the rest of the pup, which is the reason for the C-section. Breeding Chis is not for the faint of heart.
You can go online, and check out onofrio.com and infodog.com They have the show catalogs online at their sites, and you can just look thru the Chihuahuas, and see how many of the dams are not champions.
oh yeah my girl gets in the humpy mood when shes in heat...crazy lil girl...ive seen spayed females hump also as a dominance thing so no worries there...
on the breeding size thing to show a chihuahuas it should be between 3 and 6 lbs however to breed...its never a good idea to breed a female chi of anything less than 4 lbs...and even an 8lb chihuahua should be bred to a male AT LEAST 2lbs smaller than her.
(my girl is 5lbs 4 oz...my male just under 3lbs)
i do agree that any breeding dog SHOULD be of breed standard, ad have correct confirmation, and its important to have god bloodlines, health all the typical breeding things..however for a dog as small a chihuahua its more impartant the bitch be big enough to breed than small enough to show.
ive been lucky, my female falls into the correct size range and has done very good with occasional showing, she has a few points, but im not showing to say well shes a champion, ive showed her just so i know she is indeed a good example of the breed and so logn as everythign else health wise comes up fine would make some fine genetics ot pass on to the net generation with the right male.
my male is slightly too small to show (he also isnt a fan of the hussle and bussle and prefers to hide than walk the ring) but it was important to me to know that he too (other than size) was of good sound body and confirmed correctly. i had 3 different judges plus 2 very experienced breeders look him over and he performed wonderuflly, outcome good, and his lines should compliment my females wonderfully.
im hoping to get some nice pups from their first breeding and hoping for adult weight of around 4-5lbs
and im hoping that due to my male being so small, there wont be any complications during birth...im prepared for a c-section as its incredibly common with the breed...however im hoping that all the reaserch in chosing my dogs is going to pay off and give me healthy happy puppies AND a healthy happy momma vixie.
chihuahuas are one incredibly difficult breed to breed...sooo many problems can arise its unbelivable to most how quickly and how easily complications can occur...
on the breeding size thing to show a chihuahuas it should be between 3 and 6 lbs however to breed...its never a good idea to breed a female chi of anything less than 4 lbs...and even an 8lb chihuahua should be bred to a male AT LEAST 2lbs smaller than her.
(my girl is 5lbs 4 oz...my male just under 3lbs)
i do agree that any breeding dog SHOULD be of breed standard, ad have correct confirmation, and its important to have god bloodlines, health all the typical breeding things..however for a dog as small a chihuahua its more impartant the bitch be big enough to breed than small enough to show.
ive been lucky, my female falls into the correct size range and has done very good with occasional showing, she has a few points, but im not showing to say well shes a champion, ive showed her just so i know she is indeed a good example of the breed and so logn as everythign else health wise comes up fine would make some fine genetics ot pass on to the net generation with the right male.
my male is slightly too small to show (he also isnt a fan of the hussle and bussle and prefers to hide than walk the ring) but it was important to me to know that he too (other than size) was of good sound body and confirmed correctly. i had 3 different judges plus 2 very experienced breeders look him over and he performed wonderuflly, outcome good, and his lines should compliment my females wonderfully.
im hoping to get some nice pups from their first breeding and hoping for adult weight of around 4-5lbs
and im hoping that due to my male being so small, there wont be any complications during birth...im prepared for a c-section as its incredibly common with the breed...however im hoping that all the reaserch in chosing my dogs is going to pay off and give me healthy happy puppies AND a healthy happy momma vixie.
chihuahuas are one incredibly difficult breed to breed...sooo many problems can arise its unbelivable to most how quickly and how easily complications can occur...