Prime puppymill real estate for sale

They are all horrible and disgusting. Plain and simple. Anyone who has that many kennels to house that many dogs and breeds them should be shot.

I think that the space would be wasted with a hobby breeder. I would say that either a professional breeder or a commercial breeder would make better use of the space.

Or a puppy mill, I wonder how many pet stores are near by.

A commercial breeder would make BETTER use of the space? So you are OK with puppymills aka "commercial breeders"?

I do not agree with commercial breeding. I especially do not like brokering.
However I will defend a person's right to fair trade even if it involves dogs.
As long as the dogs are kept to AWA standards then yes. I will defend a person's right to breed them.

Oh come one, give me a break. That property for sale is inhumane. What is so hard to understand about that?

Ahhh, MAN!! I admit to a vast overwhelming disappointment that I come back here and my very valid questions were NOT addressed! *LOL*

I'm not surprised, though. Being exposed certainly takes the wind out of one's sails, so to speak.

This whole thread started off about a piece of property being marketed as a business property rated for 150 dogs, and the photos were more than disturbing to a number of us. And then a couple of people started to defend it adamantly. It wasn't until the truth came out (already suspected by most of us, I'm sure) that at least one of those in question appears to be a less than ethical breeder herself (IMHO) that the defense faltered and we just aren't hearing much anymore.

And of course, pertinent questions regarding their own feelings about housing dogs in small wire crates, keeping 150 dogs, breeding them over and over until they're of no more use, etc. were completely avoided. I think that most of us would willingly answer these questions. But then again, most of us would not advertise on nextdaypets, puppy-central.com, dogs-central.com, betterbreederscorner.com, gotdogsonline.com, gotpupsonline.com, terrificpets.com, (the list goes on from here for FrenchK's advertising, I'm sure - these are just the ones I noticed in a quick search).

It's truly interesting that as soon as the argument starts to fail, those of us against a large-scale puppy breeding operation are called "animal rights activists". And not only that, but there's a comparison to a racist comment added in to further the concept that WE are SO bad because we don't want to see animals suffer.

As I said before - WHAT UTTER NONSENSE!!

Believing in the human right to own animals does not mean we have to give in to those who think that animals are purely property and can be treated like a bicycle or a pair of shoes. We aren't AR people just because we show concern for how animals are treated!

And to bring that right back to the OP - it's very likely that the property advertised will end up in the hands of someone who thinks they'll make their living off of indiscriminate breeding of small dogs. I wonder how many Japanese chins would end up in that "mass-breeding" farm (trying to be politically correct here and not use the term "puppy mill", just to placate those who can't see past terminology). I wonder if the puppies bought for this potential new "mass-breeding" farm would be purchased from nextdaypets or puppy-central ...

I love GOOD breeders. The good breeders I know treat their dogs like family. They don't make them live in kennels. They don't have more dogs than they can logically deal with on a daily basis. They absolutely do NOT advertise on nextdaypets or any other "mass-produced sale" site. And they don't expect $1200 for a pet quality puppy!

Unfortunately the breeders who show a few dogs and keep a large quantity of "breeding" dogs, advertising willy-nilly everywhere they might snag an unsuspecting buyer, sell for high prices, and get rid of dogs that no longer fit their purposes provide tons of fodder for the AR people. They can show the indifference toward dogs, obvious in the advertisements and the selling of older dogs that are beyond show or breeding age. They can show it in the way the dogs are kept - kenneled, for the most part, because there are way too many dogs to truly handle daily. THESE are the things that AR people jump right on and gloat over. And yet these "breeders" are the ones screaming "AR!!!" at us because WE don't want to see a puppy mill start up??

Ack. I'm out of here. Taking my FIVE dogs for a walk because with just FIVE you can do that. Yes, they get out of the house - not just in a kennel - every day! What a concept.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

The comment was not made about the property for sale. It was personal attack on me.

So lets all breed a bunch of dogs as long as they have food, water, clean air and minimal space!

I don't think this is what it is about. Puppymills, byb's, whatever you would like to call them are overpopulating this world with animals, innocent dogs are dieing because they don't have homes and all because some idiot wants to make money

AWA standards?

Even the laws around here for personal animal ownership are laughable at best.

Oh, but I got it! As long as those people are able to breed, reputable or not then you too can make a buck, yes?

There's just no making you happy is there?

Wait...don't answer that because your response may have to be taken over to the Fire Hydrant.

Still got those Brownies Renee made, Yum Yum! And since I just got back from the store there is PLENTY of milk and EVEN Ice cream to go with them...........

Anybody?? Come on.........you KNOW you want some!!

factory.

:lol-sign:

I had a visual in my head that wasn't satisfied by a simple google search so I had to whip up something special.

How do you figure? I got the answer I was looking for.

Do you really think that people buying pure bred animals, who have an interest in a pure bred dogs, can find what they want in a shelter? Are you saying that people should be forced to buy dogs from the shelter and no pure bred dogs should be bred?
There is a perpetuated myth that we have a huge overpopulation problem in our shelters. We have a problem in areas. A problem that could solved by shelters networking together. Instead those with a shortage import high priced feral dogs from foreign countries. Think of the tens of thousands of dollars spent on that. In stead of networking and using monitary resources to aid global shelters, LA shelters are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on "yard art" to impress visitors to the shelter. This is a waste of resources that could be moving high volume to low volume area.
Shelters are in need of help with learning how to market their adoptable dogs and how to make dogs available to the areas that need them and want them.
Shelters in my area have a large number of unadoptable pets. Feral bred dogs and feral bred cats. Animals that are dangerous to the pet public. Animals that are not suited to being pets. These animals are the produce of free ranging mixed bred dogs. If we had the policing power to enforce our current leash and contaiment laws this would not be an issue. Contained and seperated intact dogs, don't procreate.
As it is, the professonal and hobby breeders cannot produce enough pure bred animals for the public. Which is why there is a market for mass produced animals by commercial breeders. This demand is *rising* not falling with the inactment of breeding restrictions across the globe. Puppies in high demand are being smuggled in from Mexico to supply the very short pure bred marked in CA where mandatory s/n laws, heavy licensing, and regulations have begun to have a negative impact on the hobby breeders there.
Restrictive housing, insurance issues, liability claims all of which have had a negative impact on dog ownerships. Many people in some cities are being forced to relinquish pets that they own because they cannot find a home, insurance, or even walk down the road without ridicule.
The problem is that we have been lied too...breeders of any venue are not responsible for the "pet over population" (where it exists)...it is however a multi part problem; irresponsible owners, restrictive housing, failure to uphold leash laws, failure to provide manpower to uphold leash laws, and mishandling of funds in regards to shelter managment (i.e. not networking)....

PERFECT!!! Know what puppymills make me think of? You know in the Matrix movie where the people were in all th goo? THat is what should happen to all puppy millers.

I was just at a show and I didn't see one dog on wire. They were in carriers or in pens on the grass. In GA they are inspected by the department of AG and by USDA.
FK is not licensed by the USDA at this time.
She might want to do that asap!

Of course people who adopt a purebred can get what they want in a dog. I want a Border Collie for my next dog, and as I have little interest in showing, I will go to a breed rescue or possibly a shelter if they happen to get a BC, as they sometimes do, though some are mixes.
Just as an added comment, a lot of those dogs in shelters deemed unadoptable can be adopted when the right people who care enough want to work with them. My dream is to start a rescue, and I'm sure that will involve taking those "unadoptable animals." I can think of at least two trainers here who have saved dogs from "death row."

As far as breeders NEVER being responsible for pet overpopulation, you are kidding yourself. Someone who peddles out 15-20 litters a year is not adding unneeded pets to the world?

you know what I don't get here folks why we are feeding this troll. A person who lives and believes like this is not someone I care to speak too so welcome to my ignore list and I can say it is getting mighty darned long too.