Anthropomorphizing Dogs and Dog-Human Relationships

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Anthropomorphizing Dogs and Dog-Human Relationships



It is quite disturbing to me to think of all the abuse, mistreatment and confusing information which are doled out to many dogs for the reason that we, a “superior” and such intelligent specie presume that another specie must reflect our way of thinking. Dogs do not have the same complexity in their cognitive processing as we do. They have their own set of talents, which are much more complex than ours, such as their highly developed olfactory sense, their hearing along with other survival instincts; discernment of minute changes in their environment and subtle ways of communication. They do learn to make associations between cues and response but do not understand language as we do. They are not that abstract. Dogs are full of emotions, but because of their perception being different from ours, their emotions are not exactly the same. They do what they need to do to survive. All canines are opportunistic scavengers and hunters and hard wired to do what works to sustain them and their specie. They do not possess the ability to process “right and wrong” in the moral sense that we do. They do not share our value system or have the same experiences or method of processing information that we do. It is a fallacy that dogs do things to please their owner. They are amoral. They do not have the ability or innate need to please someone else other than how it affects them. If pleasing their owner pleases them, then they’ll please their owner. But as far as caring about what their owner’s internal emotional state of mind is, unless it relates to them, they don’t. They’re innocently selfish and there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s just how they are and how they evolved to have a synergistic relationship with us and how they’ve survived for thousands of years. They’re wonderful just the way they are and don’t need to be like humans.



One thing we’ve really got going for us is how dogs evolved by natural as well as artificial selection. The fittest survived. In the domestication process, the dogs that learned to work with man, who helped with hunting, who alerted man to danger were in turn taken in and provided for by man. This domestication enabled dogs to live healthier and longer lives than their wild counterparts and thus perpetuated this new domestic form of dog, canine familiaris. Because they, like we form strong social bonds, this further enabled them to live with us synergistically. (better together than seperately)



A common scenario with a lot of dog owners and traditional trainers is that they get a few or even several correct responses and they think their dog is adequately trained. Then their dog gives an incorrect response. “He knows. He’s just being stubborn or dominant,” hence, the collar correction or scolding. Imagine that you are taking piano lessons and you hit some incorrect notes after having gotten them right before. Is it going to make you hit those correct keys if you receive pain or get startled by your teacher? Or do you suppose that you need more practice? When a dog gets some of his responses to your cue correct, but misses some, he needs more training. He is not being stubborn or dominant or needing an attitude adjustment.



Dogs learn by operant and classical conditioning as we do, receiving reinforcements for responses. Unlike us, dogs do not learn well by imitation or observation. Dogs do not move forward and backward through time. If a dog is punished after the fact, that is abuse. Punishment for any reason is not needed to train a dog and can have some serious side effects. Dogs do not generalize well. If your dog sits at home when given a cue, but fails to sit in a crowded, hectic place, he is not being disobedient. He’s under trained in distractions. The competing motivator is stronger in these distractions than the motivator supplied by the owner. If a dog is to be reliable with correct responses to a cue, he needs to have a strong history of reinforcements to increase the probability of its reoccurring.



People love to dwell on “pack theory” to explain why their dog doesn’t have reliable responses to cues. In fact, they use it to explain every conceivable behavior in a dog. “Dogs misbehave because they haven’t been shown who’s boss.” “You must be the alpha in your pack.” It gets thrown around an awful lot when owners don’t want to spend the time developing correct responses through a sufficient volume of training. They get emotional and cut to the chase, “dominance and stubbornness, no leadership.” That, to them justifies the use of aversive treatment. Again, the competing motivator which is getting his attention is stronger than the trainer’s.



Here’s another myth: “Don’t let your dog go through doorways before you or he’s trying to exert dominance over you.” Isn’t it just possible that the dog’s reason for wanting to go outside is that he’s a dog and there’s lots of fun stuff out there and he’s excited to go play? The lowliest dog in a hierarchy, on par with simple protoplasm can still disobey, jump up, rush through a doorway before its owner and not sit when told. Why is everyone so desperately bent on finding answers which relate to all kinds of irrelevant sources, like pack theory or stubbornness? Couldn’t it be because the dog is being reinforced somewhere in the environment and because his owner never gives him a preferable alternative?



Then there is this one: “I want my dog to work for me, not for food.” So, praise is considered an adequate motivator. Where is the logic in this? Sure, being social and domestic creatures, dogs like interaction with their owners. But don’t they get any of that anyhow for free? I know mine do. So, in the absence of any interaction, praise is better than nothing. Praise also indicates to the traditionally, correction trained dog that an aversive is not likely to occur. That’s a relief. Praise and punishment at the same time rarely happens. So, praise is a marker or predictor of the unlikelihood of imminent punishment. It can also be a predictor or conditioned rein forcer of better things to come, food, if food rewards as a primary rein forcer are paired with praise. In that case, as a Pavlovian response, praise has some real meaning. Remember, dogs aren’t concerned with your state of mind other than how it affects them. Food generally has high value to a hunter-scavenger predator. Deprivation (Slightly hungry) will increase the value of the food reward. Some dogs love a special toy reserved for training and some playtime or a game of tug as an outlet for their prey drive. To increase the probability of a behavior repeating, a reinforcement that has high value to the dog needs to be given.



Instead of giving your dog his meal in a bowl in it’s entirety, save some or all to be used as reward for easier skills or behaviors and reserve tastier treats for training more difficult skills where the dog is getting a strong environmental motivator which is competing with you. Vary the motivator when you train or want to reinforce a behavior to help keep the dog interested, guessing and having fun. There is often the objection, “My dog will only work for treats if I use them for reward.” When you learn more about the science of opernant conditioning training, there are ways to prevent that. In short, using a variable reward schedule when appropriate will eliminate that concern. The particulars of this training method are beyond the scope of this article. Free feeding, making food available at all times is a waste of a valuable training tool. Dogs are designed and love to work for their food. Let that natural trait work for you and your dog.



Give your dog a reason to engage in behaviors you like. Give up the notion that you need to have domination, coercion or intimidation over your dog in order to have a good relationship and a well trained dog. A stronger bond comes from a dog working with his owner for something he likes, clear signals and an owner who understands how dogs learn. Operant and classical conditioning works on all dogs because its how canine minds, in fact all mammalian minds operate. There is a condition and there is a response. Do this and that happens.



Using pack theory and dominance to explain away under training is incongruous because many of the behaviors which proponents of this philosophy of interacting with dogs will have you do are nothing more than operant conditioning. “Ignore the dog when he is too rowdy so that you are like the alpha wolf.” That’s simply not giving a rein forcer, your attention for an undesirable behavior. “Eat a cracker or something first before you feed your dog so you look more like an alpha since alphas eat first.” Who ever came up with that one? Is that not teaching a dog some manners by the simple act of rein forcing his waiting calmly by subsequently giving him his highly valued dinner? Your eating of something does not enhance the learning of this behavior.



We are not wolves. We cannot fool our canine friends. Why make our relationship with them more complicated than need be? They’re not as sophisticated intellectually as we are, but they’re not non perceptive.



Dog owners and trainers would do well to put away for good these outdated, traditional methods which show no understanding or compassion for dogs because they’re attributing human experience and human cognitive processing to dogs, or anthropomorphizing them. It’s time we get on the same page with our dogs.


By: Carrie

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Things like this are why I like you so much. :D Fabulous post.
 
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Excellent post! I hope you don't mind, but I copied and pasted this into another forum. A young person I know there does use these harsh methods, as well as alpha rolling, and perhaps it might be a worthy attempt to politely educate her.
 

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Thanks guys. This explains, I think why I'm so opposed to punishment when training dogs. I'm hoping to submit this somewhere else, so I would appreciate credit for the article if you use it elsewhere. Thanks a bunch.
 
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Doberluv said:
Thanks guys. This explains, I think why I'm so opposed to punishment when training dogs. I'm hoping to submit this somewhere else, so I would appreciate credit for the article if you use it elsewhere. Thanks a bunch.
Yes, of course! Haha.. I definitely gave you credit. I left the article exactly as is, even your signing of your name on the bottom. I don't think I'll ever be smart enough to try to pull that off as my own writing! :p

Again, EXCELLENT post. I enjoyed reading it.
 
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Loved Your Post!!

Terrific read Doberluv! Couldn't have said it better, wouldn't even try....glad you DID!!!:D At the end I stopped and thought...who's Carrie? hehehe - you mean your real name's not Doberluv;)

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At the end I stopped and thought...who's Carrie? hehehe - you mean your real name's not Doberluv

LOL!

Well, thanks. I'm working on writing a book. In fact, I have a sort of outline made up. But it's sooooooo long, (suprised?) I don't know where to begin to commense to start. LOL. I think I need to go at it from a different tack. LOL.

Anyhow....I want people to STOP being angry with and mean to their dogs when they're training or interacting with them at all.
 
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You may already be doing this but...have you thought of writing for magazines and dog related news letters in your area. You do have a way with words and it would be so great to share your knowledge/perspective and love for dogs with a greater population - until you have your book finished. I write for several different publications and most will in lue of payment print a full color add for my company Diamond in the "Ruff" Inc. somewhere in the mag. It allows me to feel that maybe I can influence a few people to re-think their relationship with their dogs and I find it cathartic especially when this business has it's heartbreaks. Many companies will pick the topic and may have another trainer with a different slant on things write about the same topic, I love those ones. Other's will just ask me what I think needs addressing or what clients ask about most often and then I can roll with it. My last article was "Dog Training Evolved" and as you now know is one subject I'm not shy about discussing.:p
Just a thought but you'd be so good at it:)
 
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Here’s another myth: “Don’t let your dog go through doorways before you or he’s trying to exert dominance over you.” Isn’t it just possible that the dog’s reason for wanting to go outside is that he’s a dog and there’s lots of fun stuff out there and he’s excited to go play? The lowliest dog in a hierarchy, on par with simple protoplasm can still disobey, jump up, rush through a doorway before its owner and not sit when told. Why is everyone so desperately bent on finding answers which relate to all kinds of irrelevant sources, like pack theory or stubbornness?

Ah, I'm dying here laughing. I don't agree with everything you say, Dober, but I love to see someone taking a shot at the excessive reliance on psychology to train dogs - explain, explain, and never train. The short answer why people love the pack theory, the dominance theory, the NILIF method, etc., etc.? It's easier. It is way, way easier to make up a whole theory about causes than to deal with effects.

I think the case for repitition is a valuable one. I'm trying to learn something new right now, and my instructor hates to repeat himself so after the first few time he corrects me, he just stops mentioning it, leaving it to me to figure out whether I've done it right or not. It's incredibly hard to learn basic skills this way, and more than a little stressful. It must be nearly impossible for a dog, who's doing these things in response to our desires and not for any inherent interest or reason of his or her own.
 

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I think the case for repitition is a valuable one. I'm trying to learn something new right now, and my instructor hates to repeat himself so after the first few time he corrects me, he just stops mentioning it, leaving it to me to figure out whether I've done it right or not. It's incredibly hard to learn basic skills this way, and more than a little stressful. It must be nearly impossible for a dog, who's doing these things in response to our desires and not for any inherent interest or reason of his or her own.
Do you try to learn in order that your instructor is pleased? Or do try to learn so that you will be pleased? If your instructor is pleased and gives you a good grade say...then you will be pleased. If you learn the skill, something good will come of it, (presumably. It better)

Suppose your instructor, instead of correcting you, (I don't know what you mean by correcting, but if it were a unfavorable reaction) showed you what he meant and if you got even a smiggen of it right, he remarked that you were getting warmer...maybe even gave you something you liked, in the case of a person, probably a big smile would do. Then say, knowing you were on the right track, you tried a little harder and started repeating what he meant a little better, praise and something you like came your way. Wouldn't this tell you that not only is this interesting....learning this way, but I'm getting it! Yeah!

If all you got was a "correction" when you didn't get something straight, wouldn't that discourage you?

It is nearly impossible for a dog. They're guessing all the time what it is we mean. The only way they can get even a sliver of understanding that they're on the right track is by rewarding baby steps and reinforcing some behavior consistantly and many times. Then that thing which was a guess starts looking more like..."Hey....I think I'll keep doing this when I hear that word. Everytime lately, I've been getting something super delicious when I do this." Again....do this, and that happens...operant conditioning.

Actually, I'm not so sure that they get an understanding the way we do....as in, "Ah-ha! Now I get it!" It may be strictly that a behavior reinforced is more likely to be repeated just so the reward can be received. Period. That simple. Nothing more....no ah-ha moment. Just a habit is formed to reproduce a beahvior because of a history rich in reinforcement.

Thanks Dr2little. Yes, I've been thinking about that. Thank you for saying that I have a way with words. I think I have too much of a way. My posts are excrutiatingly long, I know. LOL. If it's Ok, I might p.m. you and pick your brain.

Thanks again.
 

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great reading Doberluv. Took me ages to read though LOL. Now now all you had to do was ask us all to stay here ages and ages if you wanted our lovely company ;) No need to write great pieces to lure us in :p


Very good reading :)
 
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Good Post!!! However, IMO, there is always a pack leader in every dogs eyes. Its a part of nature and if the dog does not see a leader of the pack then the dog will call it on itself to assume that position. In the wild, a dog/wolf does not assert their dominance through agression, but more through self confident and body posture, and that is where people get confused. You do not NEED to be agressive with your dog to be the alpha and thats why there are so many agressive and defensive dogs out there, because people "attack" their dogs to achieve the alpha status when that is not necessary.

I do agree with you that the "my dog is being stubborn or dominant" thing is stupid when it comes to training. I feel a dog must be reminded of their training because they too are entitled to make mistakes and people expect too much from their dogs. I used to use corrections, but I have decided no more corrective collars. Though Chico still seems just as trilled about training, I feel much better training without corrections.

I just wanted to add that operant conditioning invovles both negative and positive reinforcements and it is up to the owner as to which way they choose to go and what works best for their dog.
 
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One more thing,

I noticed that you said a dog's comprehension is not as a human's understanding. But I also noticed that you keep making references to human situations.

Its either you can compare humans to dogs or you can't. Not trying to pick a fight, just saying what I feel.
 

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Its either you can compare humans to dogs or you can't
Why? Why would it be all one or all the other?

There are aspects where it is possible to compare humans to dogs, where they share similarities and there are areas where there are big differences.

My problem is that people tend to project human perception and morals onto their dogs where it is incongruous to, where they are not the same, based on scientific studies, observations, experiments done by animal behavioral scientists with advanced degrees for a very long time. This puts blame on dogs where undeserved.
 

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