Wish me luck!

[SuzyTzu]

Hello everyone, im new here! Ive come here because I will hopfully be joining the elite Breeders Club.

I own a 1 1/2 year old Gold and White shih tzu named Suzy. This is my girls third heat and our first attempt at breeding! She was taken to the kennel this afternoon and was paired to a solid black male, similair in size, who compliments her few faults (mainly her face is not as flat as it should be).

They are both healthy, AKC registered dogs.

I really hope this breeding takes, I am dying for Shih Tzupuppies!

If it does take what colors can the puppies be? Im really hoping for one solid black which i'd like to keep.

Thanks!

 

[corgipower]

Hello everyone, im new here! Ive come here because I will hopfully be joining the elite Breeders Club.

Uh...what elite Breeders Club? There is nothing elite about the hard work that the breeders on Chaz do.

I own a 1 1/2 year old Gold and White shih tzu named Suzy. This is my girls third heat and our first attempt at breeding! She was taken to the kennel this afternoon and was paired to a solid black male, similair in size, who compliments her few faults (mainly her face is not as flat as it should be).

So if she's not 2 yet, she doesn't have her cert's. Did you do prelims? She's also still a baby herself, although I don't know the breed well, I don't believe any breed should be bred before they are 2.

What are her faults? In what way does he "compliment" them and what are you hoping the result will be?

They are both healthy, AKC registered dogs.

Healthy? What health testing have you done? Registered is fine, but do they have any titles? CH? Performance?

If it does take what colors can the puppies be? Im really hoping for one solid black which i'd like to keep.

If you don't know what colors to expect, then you really need to be doing a lot more research prior to breeding. If you're breeding specifically to get a black, then you shouldn't be breeding. There are much more important considerations than color.

 

[Dekka]

I agree with Corgi. Wait till the health testing is done... there is no hurry. Dekka is 4 this year and we are now looking at her first litter (not saying you need to wait that long.. ) But take some time to prove your dogs in some form of dog showing, get the health tests done.

Colours are the least of the worries (unless you have lethal alleles that are related to colour (which I don't believe is the case in your breed)

Once you get to breeding ask these questions before you even think of letting them procreate.

First off do you have homes pre screened and lined up for the pups? Do you have deposits (not nessisary but handy)

Do you have a vet that is knowledgeable about canine reproduction?

Do you know the various complications and signs of impending problems?

Do you have the time and resources to look after a litter of pups if mom is lost?

Do you have the $$ set aside incase mom needs an emergency C section?

hmm those are all I can think of.

We like pics Shih Tzu's are so cute!!

What do you show them in (or plan too)?

 

[grab01]

having just this week done xrays for pregnancy on a Lhasa whose knees slid in and out of place as she simple stood there doing nothing, I do hope you (either after this pregnancy or, if she doesn't become pregnant, before any future breedings) have her hips and knees certified.

 

[Bunny82]

Hello everyone, im new here! Ive come here because I will hopfully be joining the elite Breeders Club.

I own a 1 1/2 year old Gold and White shih tzu named Suzy. This is my girls third heat and our first attempt at breeding! She was taken to the kennel this afternoon and was paired to a solid black male, similair in size, who compliments her few faults (mainly her face is not as flat as it should be).

They are both healthy, AKC registered dogs.

I really hope this breeding takes, I am dying for Shih Tzupuppies!

If it does take what colors can the puppies be? Im really hoping for one solid black which i'd like to keep.

Thanks!

Welcome to the board. You will gain a lot of valuable insight and knowledge here, as you have already.

I am not a breeder myself but something you mentioned in your post jumped at me and I wanted to comment.

You say both your dog and the dog you bred her to is healthy. Wellness exams are not the same as making sure their are not genetic problems. Specific testing needs to be done.

I am sure that a number of Chazzers can tell you about a dog they have or have had that always checked out well at regular vet visits but had some genetic disorder (hip dysplasia is a common one for example).

I can't stress how important it is to ensure she is screened and clear free of genetic disease along with the dog you choose to breed her to. Her parents, granparents along with the potential sires parents, grandparents, and so on also should be free and clear.

If you are going to breed you owe it to any future puppies you bring into this world, your dogs, future pet owners, and your breed to health test for genetic disease.

Now with that being said I also noticed that you were honest in mentioning your dog had a fault. Sometimes the hardest thing for a breeder to do is to be able to see and admit the faults in their own dogs. So good job there.

In all honesty I hope your dog is not pregnant. For so many reason I honestly don't t believe she (or you) is ready for her to bring a litter into this world.

ETA: IF she is pregnant I wish you well. I hope in the future though you don't breed again without researching more.

In any event please know that everyone will be here to offer you help, guidance, and support because that is what the Chazhound family is really about.

Welcome again.

 

[bubbatd]

I welcome you here .... but as a past dedicated breeder , I do fault you for breeding before 2 years old and all testing . Good luck !

 

[HoundedByHounds]

Lordy...elite

CP..can I ditto you too? I am not sober enough for more at this time. :yikes:

 

[puppydog]

Lordy...elite

CP..can I ditto you too? I am not sober enough for more at this time. :yikes:

Shame on you! :rofl1:

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

Here is a good website for you to get some good information on the responsible breeding of the Shih Tzu.

http://clubs.akc.org/astc/

ASTC recommendations for breeding:

http://www.shihtzu.org/Info/breeder_guidelines.asp?menu=Info

Health considerations in the Shih Tzu

http://www.shihtzu.org/Articles/article_list.asp?menu=Articles&ART_TYPE=Health

I am curious what you consider to be an "Elite Breeder"?

 

[SuzyTzu]

HI everyone, thanks for all the wonderful advice.

I believe my girl is mature enough to be bred, and it is a personal decision. No, I am not breeding just for color, I stated I would like to have one black pup, as my first Tzu ever was a solid black. Given that the stud is a solid black I should have at least some chance.

I called the kennel today and they have not bred, Im not sure if she just isnt ready to mate or if the kennel situation is causing her to be nervous and uncooperative.

I will check back later in the afternoon

 

[Bunny82]

HI everyone, thanks for all the wonderful advice.

I believe my girl is mature enough to be bred, and it is a personal decision. No, I am not breeding just for color, I stated I would like to have one black pup, as my first Tzu ever was a solid black. Given that the stud is a solid black I should have at least some chance.

I called the kennel today and they have not bred, Im not sure if she just isnt ready to mate or if the kennel situation is causing her to be nervous and uncooperative.

I will check back later in the afternoon

Suzy, if your dog has not been bred yet I am going to beg you to stop the breeding from taking place.

When you say that "you believe your girl is mature enough to be bred, and its a personal decision" that tells me right off that you still have so much to learn.

Your dog is a year and half. She is still a puppy herself. While I really don't like the human to animal comparisons compare your dog to a twelve year old that has started her menstrual cycle. She may be able to have a baby that does not mean she should or that it is healthy for body. Does that make sense?

 

[DogstarAcademy]

Um, given that your bitch is presumably e yellow, and parti? You might get black and whites, but you're highly unlikely to get a solid black.

Also, while there are toy breeds where it's considered okay to breed a girl at 18 months, I can't imagine why you'd bother. I certainly don't think most are mature enough at that age.

Titles, health testing, etc?

 

[AllieMackie]

I have several questions for you, which I sure hope you've already got good answers for, before you ever think about breeding your dog.

Is your dog health checked for the persistent health issues that can come up in Shi Tzus later in life?

What exactly is this "kennel" that the male is at? Has he been health-checked? Is he titled at all?

What kind of people are on your puppy waiting list? (Please don't answer this with "I don't have a waiting list." That's a breeding no-no.)

 

[bubbatd]

I certainly would hold off .... with complete testing you can get more for the pups and therefore better homes. I'd like to know more about the sire too .




bTW ...I just checked my area's Petfinder and there are over 20 black ones needing homes .

 

[Maxy24]

Please take her home now before she breeds. Has she been X-rayed for genetic diseases? How would you feel if in 3 years your puppies owners are calling because their dogs have debilitating diseases that your dog or the father had been carrying but you did not take the precaution of X-raying and having them examined for genetic disabilities so you could know whether or not your dog was healthy enough to breed and would not pass these problems on for these poor pups and owners to have to deal with. I'm sure you would not want any owner to go through that, or any dog. How do you know if her temperament and the males temperament are stable? For God's sake she is not even a complete adult, her temperament is still developing. She should have a Canine Good Citizen award, Temperament test or Therapy dog title so you know and can prove that she is well tempered and the pups will have a high chance of being that way as well. If you are bringing more pups into the world then you need to be producing proper Shih-Tzus, people who go to a breeder should be looking for more predictable pups than those in a shelter (that's why they are not going to one) but if you cannot prove that your pups have a higher chance of being healthy and well tempered then why should people be buying pups from you instead of from the shelter?

Breeding should not be something just anyone should do, you need to be committed to producing pups who do the breed proud, who are going to be healthy and well tempered and will be good examples of their breed. Those things should be your goal, not to have cute pups, to experience the wonder of life or because you like puppies, you need to keep the big picture in mind. I hope you will do that. I have faith that you will do the right thing and bring your dog home before she gets pregnant and brings pups into this world that are no more predictable than a shelter puppy.

 

[Dekka]

Unless you are a vet specializing in breeding you aren't going to be able to tell if you girl is mature enough. Its not just a mental thing, its a PHYSICAL thing... not something you can see with your eyes.

What kind of testing HAVE you done?

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

HI everyone, thanks for all the wonderful advice.

I believe my girl is mature enough to be bred, and it is a personal decision. No, I am not breeding just for color, I stated I would like to have one black pup, as my first Tzu ever was a solid black. Given that the stud is a solid black I should have at least some chance.

I called the kennel today and they have not bred, Im not sure if she just isnt ready to mate or if the kennel situation is causing her to be nervous and uncooperative.

I will check back later in the afternoon

It is very unwise to attempt breedings without using the superb technological advances that are available to us today in breeding dogs.

A blood draw and progesterone test would tell you precisely when the moment is right for breeding.

I have provided to you the links to information where you can educate yourself as to what is and is not responsible breeding practices for the Shih Tzu. In essence, I have provided the water. It is up to you whether you want to drink from the fountain, or not.

 

[bubbatd]

I do hope that she comes back and realizes that we are trying to help .... not bash .

 

[Bunny82]

I do hope that she comes back and realizes that we are trying to help .... not bash .

I hope so too Grammy.

Though after re-reading through the thread I can only say that if she did read what everyone wrote with an open mind and heart there is no way that anything written could be taken as anything more than a genuine concern and desire to help.

I have my fingers crossed the reason we have not heard any further is something someone said "clicked" and Suzy went and brought her dog home before a breeding could take place.

 

[corgipower]

CP..can I ditto you too?

Sure
Can I be an honorary member of the elite breeders club?

I believe my girl is mature enough to be bred, and it is a personal decision. No, I am not breeding just for color, I stated I would like to have one black pup, as my first Tzu ever was a solid black. Given that the stud is a solid black I should have at least some chance.

What exactly gives you cause to believe she is mature enough to breed?

What are you breeding for?

It's not that we're coming down on you, but we don't know you or your dog and we are passionate about the idea that breeding shouldn't be done without adequate health testing, without goals for improving the breed and why this pairing it is believed that this pairing will do so, without planning for: the breeding, the care of the pregnant bitch, the whelping and raising of the litter, the sale of the puppies and the long term follow ups with the owners of the dogs you produce.

If you've done all this, we'd love to hear about it and learn something about a breed that some of us don't own.