Weimaraner "extra colors"

[Sapphire-Light]

Oh man, I'm so sad abou the Weimaraner situation in my country.

I have seen many adds on the newspaper of BLACK, BROWN, BLONDE puppies

Also I have seen a picture of a "grey and TAN" dog in the newspaper that looked like a doberman mix.

I hate the people that is ruin the breed, making this "rare colors"

When the estandar only allows diferent shades of grey

COLOUR : Silver, roe or mouse grey, as well as shades of these colours. Head and leathers generally slightly paler. Only small white markings on chest and toes permitted. Sometimes a more or less defined trace occurs along the back. Dog with definite reddish-yellow marking (« Brand ») may only be given the classification « good ». Brown marking is a serious fault.

ELIMINATING FAULTS :

• White markings other than on chest and feet.
• Colour other than gray. Widespread brown marking.

 

[MH<3dogs]

Sad but its like this with many breeds. The other day I read in the classifieds "Rare Albino Doberman $500" Man I feel bad for the person who pays $500, but I really hope the poor dog finds a good home.

 

[Sapphire-Light]

Sad but its like this with many breeds. The other day I read in the classifieds "Rare Albino Doberman $500" Man I feel bad for the person who pays $500, but I really hope the poor dog finds a good home.

Yea, is so sad, that's the problem with popular breeds.

I don't think I will see an add of a "rare blue clumber spaniel" unless it becomes popular (I hope not)

As for the Weimaraner "rare" colors,.. black, brown and yellow ("blonde")
it sound like they are lab + wei mixes.

And the grey and tan, they must be dobe + wei mixes or just a blue dobe without the ear crop, since with the ears intanct they look like hounds.

 

[BostonBanker]

Rare Albino Doberman $500

I used to know a cream doberman. Certainly nothing to breed for, but a very cool looking dog. I actually kind of liked it!

 

[SmexyPibble]

Rediculous..
In the newspaper, there were
RARE WHITE BOXERS $1000
I have no problem with white Boxers, but they are certainly NOT rare. Bad breeders, thats what they are; saying they're rare when there are white Boxers in litters ALL of the time. The first Boxer WAS a white Boxer..

 

[blackmaskrott]

No, actually the gray w/ tan markings is not necessarily a Dobe mix. I have a client who owner handles her Weim bitch. This bitch is a Westminster winning bitch and is well bred. After her WM win she was bred to another well bred Weim that resulted in 7 gorgeous puppies, two of which had faint tan markings. Apparently this is a recessive gene in this breed and it shows up from time to time. It is considered a fault and the puppies exhibiting this coat type are usually petted out. At least this is how it was explained to me.

 

[Squishy22]

Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the weimeraner in the make-up of the doberman? I remember reading somewhere that weim blood was used in creating the dobie.

 

[youhavenoidea]

No, actually the gray w/ tan markings is not necessarily a Dobe mix. I have a client who owner handles her Weim bitch. This bitch is a Westminster winning bitch and is well bred. After her WM win she was bred to another well bred Weim that resulted in 7 gorgeous puppies, two of which had faint tan markings. Apparently this is a recessive gene in this breed and it shows up from time to time. It is considered a fault and the puppies exhibiting this coat type are usually petted out. At least this is how it was explained to me.

(sorry I know this thread is kind of old, but I just found it. But . . . )

You are correct. This is commonly known as "mark of the hound". It is a disqualifying fault, however not an indication of the dog (necessarily) being a mix.

Blues are another coat variation that is purebred, though not recognized.

Other colours that sometimes crop up (though also very serious faults) are "pearl" Weimaraners (yes, still in purebred litters)

and Weims marked like German Shorthaired Pointers, believe it or not.

These are all commonly viewed as naturally occurring genetic anomalies within the breed, and are recessive traits. Although still beautiful, they are HUGE HUGE HUGE faults, and should never be intentionally produced, if for no other reason than one would almost certainly have to inbreed to an irresponsible degree to produce any of them (except blues). Blues at one time were accepted, and there is much controversy in the Weim world surrounding having the AKC once again accept them as an allowable colour within the breed. Same with longhairs. Longhaired Weimaraners do exist, and are able to be shown anywhere outside North America.

 

[LauraLeigh]

VERY Cool!!!! I had no idea and had I met a Wiem marked like a GSP I likely would not have belived it was even a Weim!!! I know they are faults but each of them is gorgeous!!!

 

[ttwillow]

"rare" colors

I've had this discussion before on a BT forum. There is this cute cute cute underbite red BT on there that is actually getting a lot of national attention in ads. I see her and I want one just like her! What a little fruit face!

The more folks see these not standard colors of any breed, the more they want them. This in turn makes more the BYB and PM producng them and selling them fas rare for more money that a show quality pup from a reputable breeder.

Culling for colors should be part of the reputable breeders ethics. Selling an off color on a spayed or nuetered pet contract is being short sighted and frankly probably after the money this pup will bring IMO. It's not breeding to standard NOR breeding to improve the breed. Thats the reason reputable breeders give all the time for breeding...oh and love of their breed. How does non standard colors come into that?

I expect irresponsible non culling for color from BYB and PM..I dont expect that from a reputable breeder.

One of the reasons I would never breed is bacause I would have to cull pups just for being the out of standard color. I know that is not the popular thing to do....but culling IS the responsible thing to do.

You have to think way beyond the litter of pups you are gazing at in your whelping box. You have to think, if I keep this off color pup and sell it on a pet neuter/spay contract...I wont have to euth it. I'll recoup some of my money spent on producing this litter.

Yeah..but Joe Q Public is gonna see that pet and say "I never knew they came in that color, I want one like that too!" The search will be on for his 'very own off colored pup.....who's gonna upply that for him? PM and BYBs...I hope not a reputable breeder who is purposefully breeding out of the standard....kinda an oxymoron. How about the parents of those pups? Living the good life? No.

It's all about supply and demand....we have to reach the puppy buyers and educate, educate, educate.

 

[Gypsydals]

I've seen the Blue Weims but not any of the other color/patterns. Its interesting to see the "odd" colors that pop up every now and then in breeds we tradionaly think of as coming in one or two colors/patterns.

Why did they DQ the blue color?

 

[youhavenoidea]

I've seen the Blue Weims but not any of the other color/patterns. Its interesting to see the "odd" colors that pop up every now and then in breeds we tradionaly think of as coming in one or two colors/patterns.

Why did they DQ the blue color?

That's where the controversy comes in.

Popular belief is that all blues are decendants of one single blue that occurred as the original genetic mutation, and since blue is a dilute black, and gray is a dilute brown, blue is actually generally held to be a DOMINANT trait, and NOT a recessive one . . . basically, genetically, in the most simplistic of terms, blue trumps gray. That's the basic argument as to why they can all trace back to one dog.

However, there are still a great many people who believe that blues (even though certainly bred back "pure" by now), started as an outcrossing, and therefore aren't "real" Weims. So groups of people started putting pressuure on the Weimaraner Club of America, who then changed the standard . . . and since the parent club dictates the AKC standard, not the other way around, they were DQed. In 1972 I believe.

It's a whole big drama. LOL

Oh, and just for anyone who may have been curious, since I'm on a picture spree, here's a longhair:

 

[Kayota]

I does wants me sum longhaired weim. -whines and snugs it-

 

[Gypsydals]

Duh *smacks her forehead*, makes sense. LOL
Its weird how the basic shape is the same but you get a totally different view when a breed is a different color/pattern or coat length. A dal of a different color/pattern or coat length just doesn't look right to me.

 

[Paige]

Can someone explain to me why the coats are considered faults? Border Collies come in all colours so I don't honestly understand it.


Nevermind guys. I realized the thread had a second page and my question was sort of already answered.

 

[mrose_s]

How often do those colours pop up in working lines?

I was amazed when I found out the massive amount of colours BC's came in, like lilac is absolutley stunning but not registerable.

 

[youhavenoidea]

Duh *smacks her forehead*, makes sense. LOL
Its weird how the basic shape is the same but you get a totally different view when a breed is a different color/pattern or coat length. A dal of a different color/pattern or coat length just doesn't look right to me.

I personally don't like the look of longhaired Weims, but it's all a matter of opinion.

 

[happyhound]

Same with longhairs. Longhaired Weimaraners do exist, and are able to be shown anywhere outside North America.

Are Weims and LH Weims considered the same breed in other countries?

I was under the impression they were separate breeds in the same way GSP/GWP/LH and Vizslas/WH Vizslas are not the same.

 

[youhavenoidea]

Are Weims and LH Weims considered the same breed in other countries?

I was under the impression they were separate breeds in the same way GSP/GWP/LH and Vizslas/WH Vizslas are not the same.

No, as far as I am aware, the LH Weims even compete in the ring against the shorthairs. So it seems they're simply a coat variant within the same breed.

 

[happyhound]

No, as far as I am aware, the LH Weims even compete in the ring against the shorthairs. So it seems they're simply a coat variant within the same breed.

Ahhh, okay. I always thought they were just different breeds. Since there is also a WH Weim look-a-like (Slovakian WH Pointer, I think?), as well.