Wanted - Mini Dachshund: Choc/CREAM dapple longhair MALE

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On her site, upcoming breedings, Sophie x Baloo litter, Sophie was born Feb 11th 2009. The bitch would be less than a year old to have her first litter upcoming mid-January.
I just checked her site and saw that as well :yikes:

Like I've mentioned before, I'm going to start breeding Great Wawas if anyone wants to get in on the action. They are chihuahuas x great danes... I have a feeling we can make a fortune. We will save on costs by not showing/health testing/or registering them.

But in all seriousness... I'm not going to spend $650 on a puppy that doesn't have any money put into it. Ya know? The high price tags of dogs from breeders are justifiable because of the costs associated with showing/health testing the parents. Why should I let a breeder have a profit of $500+ per puppy when all they did was stick two dogs together to make money?
 

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Like I've mentioned before, I'm going to start breeding Great Wawas if anyone wants to get in on the action. They are chihuahuas x great danes... I have a feeling we can make a fortune. We will save on costs by not showing/health testing/or registering them.
That is brilliant! At the same time, you can produce giant chis and miniature danes. :)
 
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I just checked her site and saw that as well :yikes:

Like I've mentioned before, I'm going to start breeding Great Wawas if anyone wants to get in on the action. They are chihuahuas x great danes... I have a feeling we can make a fortune. We will save on costs by not showing/health testing/or registering them.

But in all seriousness... I'm not going to spend $650 on a puppy that doesn't have any money put into it. Ya know? The high price tags of dogs from breeders are justifiable because of the costs associated with showing/health testing the parents. Why should I let a breeder have a profit of $500+ per puppy when all they did was stick two dogs together to make money?
exactly. Thats what makes BYB's BYB's. Breeders, IMO, SHOULD feel like they need to prove themselves.

That is brilliant! At the same time, you can produce giant chis and miniature danes. :)
OMG I am picturing a mini dane. That would be ADORABLE
 
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Okay so normally I just stay out of the breeding ground altogether since I'm not a breeder in any way shape or form (I have two spayed girls after all!) but Molly is my cousin and friend so I'm going to have to jump in here.

I don't feel that Molly deserves a lot of what she's received from this thread. Some of you have taken a quick look at her website and without knowing Molly or her dogs you've labeled her a BYB who just slaps two dogs together and makes pure profit off of them.

Trust me, I've met her dogs many times and they are extremely well taken care of, happy dogs. She puts lots of money into them (I mention this because some of you somehow decided that she does not) and they are loved pets in her home.

If you really are concerned then maybe you should go visit her and her dogs and then pass your judgment instead of just jumping to conclusions on limited information.

Okay I'm headed out of the breeding ground now. Sorry for jumping in but I'm naturally going to get defensive about something like this happening to a friend.
 

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Does she show or test her dogs in any other way than as pets?

Can she provide proof that she's health testing?

Without both of those, I have to say she's a BYB and therefore not really someone who deserves much respect as a breeder.

BOTH of those together. Along with making good decisions about where the future of the breed is. Her dogs can be, and probably are wonderfully taken care of PETS.

They shouldn't be bred just because to her they look in standard. To even get a CH on a dog I believe you need to win points under three different judges three different shows. So you have to have three different objective, critical, expert opinions on the breed.

She doesn't have that, and so far isn't willing to produce proof that she even does any kind of health testing at all. No one can seem to find any of her dogs in any database as having any type of title or health testing.

So, I'm sorry that you feel that way, and the fact that she's your cousin and a friend probably has a lot to do with how you are feeling, but objectively, she isn't doing a whole lot for her breed at all.
 

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I was rather disappointed in some of the comments made as well.

I thought the idea was to educate, not **** people off so they don't come back, and thus, learn nothing.

ETA: I finally looked at her website, so I'm going to add some constructive criticism, not bashing.

1. The bitch that is the mother to your most recent litter won't be 2 until October. Generally breeding bitches before age 2 (when x-rays can be performed and sent to OFA for exam) is frowned upon. It's hard on their bodies, and even though it's a toy breed which may mature faster, it's still considered beneficial to wait until they are 2. Your upcoming planned litters are both from very young bitches, it would be preferable to wait until they are 2. Jersey won't be 2 until next year but you have a little planned for November time-frame...again, preferable to wait that extra 6 months.

2. Prices. Different prices for different colors is frowned upon. The idea being there is that the color should not matter (unless it's a fault and the dog can't be shown, thus making it only pet quality) - sometimes you see different prices in a potential show dog and a pet priced one, but normally this has nothing to do with color.

3. Just had a question, but the sire Baloo doesn't have a registration number? Is it pending?

4. Contracts and guarantees...you don't have those. That might be a wise thing to come up with, so that you can keep better access to those pups you produce and if you have an unsatisfied customer, you can do things to make amends. If someone can't keep their puppy, having it in writing that they can return it to you is a God-send and will probably keep a pup out of the shelter.

Those are just my observations, and I'm not trying to pick on you or pick your site apart, but since there wasn't much (but some) explanation other than "that's disgusting" and such other comments, I thought that might help.
 
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Thank you ACamp and all who have taken the high road. Everyone starts out somewhere on the learning curve and it's usually better to assume initially -- and more accurate -- that someone is on the beginning leg of that curve rather than start the witch hunt.
 

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A person who wishes to do this in the future. Should take a one or two dogs they believe in. TRial them, show them compete and..test them and if they sail in their accomplishments and prove that they are sound genetically that is the green light to go ahead. THat is sound ethical and common sense breeding practices. You have a couple years or more to do just this before the bitch is ready to breed. Use the time wisely.
 

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I was rather disappointed in some of the comments made as well.

I thought the idea was to educate, not **** people off so they don't come back, and thus, learn nothing.

ETA: I finally looked at her website, so I'm going to add some constructive criticism, not bashing.

1. The bitch that is the mother to your most recent litter won't be 2 until October. Generally breeding bitches before age 2 (when x-rays can be performed and sent to OFA for exam) is frowned upon. It's hard on their bodies, and even though it's a toy breed which may mature faster, it's still considered beneficial to wait until they are 2. Your upcoming planned litters are both from very young bitches, it would be preferable to wait until they are 2. Jersey won't be 2 until next year but you have a little planned for November time-frame...again, preferable to wait that extra 6 months.

2. Prices. Different prices for different colors is frowned upon. The idea being there is that the color should not matter (unless it's a fault and the dog can't be shown, thus making it only pet quality) - sometimes you see different prices in a potential show dog and a pet priced one, but normally this has nothing to do with color.

3. Just had a question, but the sire Baloo doesn't have a registration number? Is it pending?

4. Contracts and guarantees...you don't have those. That might be a wise thing to come up with, so that you can keep better access to those pups you produce and if you have an unsatisfied customer, you can do things to make amends. If someone can't keep their puppy, having it in writing that they can return it to you is a God-send and will probably keep a pup out of the shelter.

Those are just my observations, and I'm not trying to pick on you or pick your site apart, but since there wasn't much (but some) explanation other than "that's disgusting" and such other comments, I thought that might help.
Good post, and great suggestions AC.

Everyone has to start somewhere, and if we don't educate, we are alienating and not helping the situation. Perhaps she just needs some light shed on her breeding practices ... some helpful light, not snide remarks and comments about BYB's. I've know a few people who started out as what people on here would call BYB's, and have educated themselves and become great breeders who health and temperament test, and who have amazing dogs. They just need to be pointed in the right direction.
 

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Thank you ACamp and all who have taken the high road. Everyone starts out somewhere on the learning curve and it's usually better to assume initially -- and more accurate -- that someone is on the beginning leg of that curve rather than start the witch hunt.
While agree that there are a lot of "witch hunts" on chaz... and I try to stay out of them. I also agree that some of the comments in this thread were very uncalled for, I know where they were comming from.

I haven't posted because, honestly, after browsing her website, I don't have that many nice things to say.

Some shouldn't still be on "the beginning leg of the [learning] curve" after the time this woman claims to have been in the breed.

This is a direct quote from her website:
About HillCountry Dachshunds

We at HillCountry Dachshunds are absolutely obsessed with quality. We know that you have probably looked through the classified ads in your local newspaper and see the $100 - $300 puppies and think, "How can breeders charge two to three times as much as the ones in the paper?"

The number one reason: Time invested.

Those low-priced puppies in the paper, although certainly adorable, were most likely the product of two dogs being "thrown together" to produce puppies... and that's that.

However, we have spent over 7 years developing our line of quality dachshunds. We stick to the standard to the best of our ability.

We breed only miniature quality dachshunds.
after 7 years of actual breeding I would think it common knowledge not to breed a bitch before 2 years of age.

I mean I even know that and I've never bred a dog before in my life. Also, up until a year ago when I joined chaz, I was one of those everyday people who knew nothing about dogs. I joined chaz because I liked dogs and my dog was sick, so I was trying to learn more about dogs to help him. Chaz was just one of the avenues I went down.

There is also this quote from this thread:

I've been studying the standard for 10 years and am familiar with the the standard.
10 years she's been studying the standard. That's a LONG time! So she had 3 years of studying the dogs and 7 years of breeding. That's really way to much time for her to not know a lot of the basics of breeding and what a reputable breeder does with his/her dogs.


Now I'm sure Molly is a very lovely lady, and I'm sure that she really does love her dogs. I think a lot of comments in this thread could have very well been left out of it and not said.

Of course, those comments didn't start to appear until after people where(nicely) asking her questions and she got huffy and left.

From that I think that she knows she's not doing the right thing.

I wish her the best, and I hope that even though she decided to leave this thread that she did realize she has a lot to learn about breeding. I hope she does right by her dogs and doesn't breed those two babies until they reach the age of 2 at least. But mostly, I hope she sits down and takes a good look at her breeding program, I hope she stops breeding for a while and goes under the wing of a practiced, showing, reputable breeder for a while until she decides to get back into breeding.
 

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She said she felt she was getting defensive and decided to take the higher road instead of coming back to this thread and flipping out for people being rude or questioning her. While her breeding practices aren't up to par, at least she may learn something from it. I didn't know about BYB's or Puppy Mills until I came to forums and such, and you know if I had been breeding dogs and someone started questioning me (and I didn't know) I'd be a bit irritated too. She obviously knows that health testing is important, so that's at least a start in the right direction.

I don't know her at all and I"m not defending her practices, but if something is gleamed from this thread I hope it's positive, not that the people here are rude. So perhaps we can put down the pitch forks and torches and try to enlighten instead! Remember, it's not just the OP that reads these and people who could potentially learn from this might decide not to post because of said witch hunts.
 

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She obviously knows that health testing is important, so that's at least a start in the right direction.
Knows enough to potentially lie about it. Can't find her dogs in the CERF or OFA database.. only mentions cerfs on her site except for one girl who apparently has patellas too.. yet posts on chaz that she does pra, patellas and cerf because health testing is so important..

Knowing enough to maybe lie about it and not do it isn't slowly working to improve yourself because you don't know any better. You know better but don't put in the effort.
 

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