vaccinatoion/titer questions

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Very friendly site you guys got goin on here.

I know you don't know Madison or her dogs yet. But you aren't being very helpful, or giving her a chance to post her experience.

She has a rescue dog that came from a hellish existence. Instead of debating the semantics of the 'dog bite/nip', how about some helpful suggestions regarding the rabies vaccine?

We just came from a board that got nasty. Jumping all over a newbie is not a way to make friends.

One of my dogs is terrified of kids. I don't plan to have kids. However, kids are a part of this world and are unavoidable. Madison has never intentionally put her dogs or anyone's kids at risk. I think you are more interested in the past than helping her help Rio so she is safer around kids.
Welcome to you both! Glad to have you here. Please dont be scared off.
 

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I always believe that under the right circumstances any dog can get scared and can bite. It is part of their nature.

Even little Gigi. She never did it before and never did it since. She was really shy when I first got her. We were traveling cross country for Christmas. We were in a hotel room, and I stepped out for 1 second to throw something in the trash outside my room. When I opened the door, she bolted out and wouldn't come to me. She was very spooked. She ran out in front of cars on Route 66.

We finally lured her into the lobby of the motel. She ran behind some people. They reached down to pick her up. She felt cornered and she bit. Luckily, she didn't break the skin.

But anyway, I just mean it as an example of how when a dog is frightened, they may use their teeth and bite even if they never have before.
Scary! I don't think I was around when you got little Gigi (and I forget how old she is) and I never heard that story. So glad you got her back though and nothing happened on the highway! Whew.

I wouldn't titer the rabies. I have a child-hater dog, and in the terrible circumstance that he somehow bit one, I would rather have the current shot then have to worry that the titer wasn't proof enough.
Yesh, that's basically what I concluded :)

I have one dog who also hates kids, so I know how it is.

I think you are doing the smart thing regarding rabies because you never know when the law will change, someone will successfully challenge it, or you visit an area that doesnt accept titers.
I never thought of being in an area that doesn't accept titers, thanks so much for pointing that out.

If titers is legal proof of rabies immunity in your area, thats absolutely the way to go. Rabies vaccine has been linked to aggression in dogs. You don't want to add to the problem you already have.
Rabies and aggression eh? Something I'll have to research, and as much as I don't want to hit her with more rabies vaccine, I decided to do both dogs, and titer for the rest. It's also alot more reasonable cost-wise, although that's not much of an issue really, but the rabies jabs are about $25 each (canadian dollars) and the titers are about $100 each. Rabies titers here run at about $200, and for both dogs, well, it makes more sense to me to spend much less for absolute assurance than to spend a whack more for something that could still be left questionable. Decision made :)

We only know what you tell us. You said YOUR dog has bitten children three times and did not elaborate. Iam supposed to read your mind? Thats why I asked, and I did not attack you, I simply asked and you dodged the question, which is why I asked a second time. Your statements were scary and concerning. You still did not say anything about the third bite which IMO is an intentional ommision at this point

Thats the impression you gave. If you didn't allow the dog near kids, it wouldn't happen. I don't see how you are not seeing the coralation. Iam assuming you are an adult in your household thus can prevent dog/kid contact. The fact shes bitten three times is frustrating to ME.

Heck, its your dog, your money, and your liability, its just bizzare to me that it could happen three times when you openly admit the dog has a problem.
I didn't say you were attacking me, I said I was frustrated with the way your comments made me feel. I know you don't know the whole story, and I know I didn't really tell it yet, but the thread was about rabies shots and titer testing, not why my dog was "allowed" to bite a child. Completely different issue. For now, I need to worry about vaccinations, and vaccinating and spaying the cats. The kid thing is an ongoing problem that we sort of work on, because these two are my first dogs (the other one is friendly as pie and issue-free, thankfully) and I ended up getting in over my head but I've learned alot and we're pretty much ready to overcome our last two obstacles, which are the hardest, and they scare me. We're getting there, kinda a learning together to not be afraid type thing.

Before something ever happens, you don't know it's going to happen, unless it's happened before, right? So when she nipped the first boy, how were we supposed to know it was going to happen? Should we all shelter our dogs from everything that might happen? No, she was running around with Kye and the other dog, and the kid ran, as kids do, and she nipped him. Then it happened again, and as I said, the first time we chaulked it up to excitement because she was young and so much was happening but then it happened again a few minutes later, she got in major trouble and was dealt with in a majorly wrong way considering her cirsumstances, so from then on "kids = bad things happen, keep them away no matter what". The second time I wasn't even there and the people that were with her knew better but allowed her out with the kid anyways, and it happened again, and I guess she got in major trouble again (like I said, I wasn't there) so yeah.

Therefore, I don't allow her near kids, so it doesn't happen. I did make that correlation, thanks.

So, getting back to the topic at hand: for the record, it's rabies jabs for both and titers/anything necessary for everything else.

Thanks guys for your opinions and information :)
 

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Very friendly site you guys got goin on here.

I know you don't know Madison or her dogs yet. But you aren't being very helpful, or giving her a chance to post her experience.

She has a rescue dog that came from a hellish existence. Instead of debating the semantics of the 'dog bite/nip', how about some helpful suggestions regarding the rabies vaccine?

We just came from a board that got nasty. Jumping all over a newbie is not a way to make friends.

One of my dogs is terrified of kids. I don't plan to have kids. However, kids are a part of this world and are unavoidable. Madison has never intentionally put her dogs or anyone's kids at risk. I think you are more interested in the past than helping her help Rio so she is safer around kids.
Mucho appreciato, Krystal :) I bolded that one part cuz man, you're so right, and there must be something about those little flailing wierdos that's absolutely terrifying. But, guess who greets the three neighbour dogs at the fence with a wagging tail? Super Rio does! So proud of her.

Welcome to you both! Glad to have you here. Please dont be scared off.
We won't be, we's tougher than that ;) what did Becky call it, Krystal, "put on your rhino suit" or some such?
 
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I know you don't know Madison or her dogs yet. But you aren't being very helpful, or giving her a chance to post her experience.
thats why I asked what happened.

She has a rescue dog that came from a hellish existence. Instead of debating the semantics of the 'dog bite/nip', how about some helpful suggestions regarding the rabies vaccine?
I have dogs from similar backgrounds, and I didn't understand her question so I asked for clarification, by that point she had already recieved great advice and I had nothing to add. Personally I don't see a bite and a nip as one of the same. To me a bite is serious and a nip is not.

We just came from a board that got nasty. Jumping all over a newbie is not a way to make friends.
I fail to see where I was nasty to her, she posted som'thing concerning and I asked about it. I didn't jump on her i asked a question and she didn't answer it, so I asked it again. Shes perfectly welcome to tell me to go pound sand.

Also, I did not notice, until now, that she was new, I don't look at post count when I ask questions.


I didn't say you were attacking me,
I know, I was just clarifiying that that wasn't my intent, i was simply concerned.




personally I find children 100% avoidable with som' effort. ;)
 

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personally I find children 100% avoidable with som' effort. ;)
Excuse me for being so blunt, but do you even really read what I say? I feel like I keep repeating myself over and over.

My dog does not like kids, so therefore we do not associate with them. Am I making that clear?
 

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Hang in here !!! We don't know you nor know your dogs or the biting situation . I would soft muzzle and socialize with more kids .
 
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I was replying to gecko moms comment. :confused:

However, kids are a part of this world and are unavoidable
feel free to calm down, you can't read tone in posts, and if you could mine would be friendly, I wasn't aware no one was allowed to question you or ask for clarification. But I'll remember that.
 
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Rabies and aggression eh? Something I'll have to research, and as much as I don't want to hit her with more rabies vaccine, I decided to do both dogs, and titer for the rest. It's also alot more reasonable cost-wise, although that's not much of an issue really, but the rabies jabs are about $25 each (canadian dollars) and the titers are about $100 each. Rabies titers here run at about $200, and for both dogs, well, it makes more sense to me to spend much less for absolute assurance than to spend a whack more for something that could still be left questionable. Decision made :)
I not as interested in the cost as the well being of your dog. Rabies vaccs are very hard on a dog and can do perminant damage. It has also been proven by challenge tests that rabies vaccine lasts for AT LEAST 7 1/2 years and probably the life of the dog. Vaccinating unnecessarily is not good for the dog.
 

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Hang in here !!! We don't know you nor know your dogs or the biting situation . I would soft muzzle and socialize with more kids .
We're working on it :). I just moved three times since August so we're getting back into the swing of things so not a whole lot has been done lately but I had to make sure my girlies all had a place to live, and with me.

feel free to calm down, you can't read tone in posts, and if you could mine would be friendly, I wasn't aware no one was allowed to question you or ask for clarification. But I'll remember that.
Sarcasm isn't necessary okay? I apologize but I didn't feel the need to write a whole novel about her nipping when all I wanted was a discussion about rabies vaccination and titer testing.

I not as interested in the cost as the well being of your dog. Rabies vaccs are very hard on a dog and can do perminant damage. It has also been proven by challenge tests that rabies vaccine lasts for AT LEAST 7 1/2 years and probably the life of the dog. Vaccinating unnecessarily is not good for the dog.
I'm not worried about cost either, but like I said, I'd rather be 100% sure they wouldn't take her away from me and euthanize her than not be 100% sure. Surely a rabies jab can't be worse than being dead? Kinda like when I had them in their kennel during the day, people thought I was mean but I was pretty sure the dogs would rather be locked up than dead on the road, regardless of whether they knew it or not.

I'm getting them both rabies jabs and titers for the rest. I'm obviously not planning on them biting anyone but things happen, and I'd rather be safe than have a dead dog.
 

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I did not interpret "nipped him" as a bite. I don't see them as the same thing personally.
I do. In reality, my dog Gigi in that incident I related, snapped at the guy and caughts skin. So maybe you consider that a nip. But to me, teeth on human in non-friendly (not playing rough housing . . . which I don't allow with my dogs anyway) is a bite. Then I am just talking severity.

Or like the time the German Shepherd ran Gigi down and put her mouth over Gigi's head. I feel that is an attack even if she didn't chomp down.
 
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Or like the time the German Shepherd ran Gigi down and put her mouth over Gigi's head. I feel that is an attack even if she didn't chomp down.
Nope, this isn't an attack. It's normal dog play. All of my dogs have done this for years. There is usually a lot of growling and ferrocious sounds going on too. :smile:
 

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Nope, this isn't an attack. It's normal dog play. All of my dogs have done this for years. There is usually a lot of growling and ferrocious sounds going on too. :smile:
Not in this case. In this case, it was an attack.

Her dog was unsocialized and had attacked dogs before.

It got loose from its leash and made a beeline straight to Gigi. Gigi was scared, crying, and trying to get away; The owner was pulling her dogs tail to get the german shepherd off of Gigi and I was kicking at her dog. Definitely sounds like play to me. Oh, and her dog was not growling or sounding ferocious. It was just focused.

I've seen play and I've seen not play. This was prey mode. Not play mode. From my experience German Shepherds seem to go into prey mode with my small dogs very quickly.
 

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