Things that cause yeast problems...
- Thread starter Toller_08
- Start date
It could just honestly be a perfect storm of things. Weather, fall allergies, food, Ripley's meds, etc, etc.
Oats would be my number one concern. As far as peas and potatoes, perhaps just look for things that don't have then in huge abundance or as main sources of protein and fiber. Many of those Acana formulas had a LOT of potato in it. You could be on the right track with that.
I hope you get it under control soon.
Oats would be my number one concern. As far as peas and potatoes, perhaps just look for things that don't have then in huge abundance or as main sources of protein and fiber. Many of those Acana formulas had a LOT of potato in it. You could be on the right track with that.
I hope you get it under control soon.
You could try bathing them with a mix of vinegar and shampoo, about half and half. Lather up and work into the coat, then let it sit for 10 or so minutes and then rinse really, really well. Wiping them down with vinegar isn't going to do much for their skin other than add humidity. Use a zoom groom if you can to really work it into the skin and work any crud out of the skin too while you're at it. Mark down exactly how much scratching they're doing for a set time before and after the bath to see if it's helped. Coconut oil in the shampoo would be another thing to try if they need it.
For the blanket sucker, you could try putting a fan or something directed at his crate just so the air is circulated better.
It has been pretty dry here so could be a dust/mold thing with the leaves maybe.... or pollen. Not sure what season it is for that sort of thing!
For the blanket sucker, you could try putting a fan or something directed at his crate just so the air is circulated better.
It has been pretty dry here so could be a dust/mold thing with the leaves maybe.... or pollen. Not sure what season it is for that sort of thing!
- Joined
- Jan 6, 2012
- Messages
- 834
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 0
I would also have to agree on Oats. Jinj chews his feet bad on wheat, oats, barley, or rye, the only grain he seems to be able to tolerate is rice, but his coat wasn't that great on a rice based LID food so I switched him to grain free. He's even eating grain free biscuits, which is another thing to watch out for, even if your dogs aren't eating the same food, watch those bed time cookies.
WE had an incident recently where NEccy got about 5 croutons, the small ones, size of a crust of bread. A patch of hair the size of my hand fell out on her back, she panted all the time like she was roasting, she scratched and scratched and scratched, she seemed "out of it" cognitive wise.At first she had a loose stool with mucus and blood. THat was my first head's up that something had happened. It was awful and tho it was a one time incident, it took weeks before she was back to normal. Now her hair is coming back in, she is feeling great, she plays, her mind seems sound, no panting. It is horrific, how little it took to put her back to ground 0. We have to be THAT careful. ONe cookie, and she would lose a month of her life to misery. SHe doesn't have that many left at 14. I am the crumb police. IF the grands come over with snacks, I let Pepper the carpet shark out and she and I go over all of it, before NEccy is allowed back out. I feel awful about it, but mostly if the babies want to run around with yummies, it has to be grain free. WE eat a lot of nuts and cheese. dried fruit, and such. I would hate to see what two back to back incidents would do. I made her a promise that she would never itch again. IT's a darn hard promise to keep.
It probably is a mixture of different things for Ripley, but thinking on it some more last night, food seems to be the #1 thing that stands out for Keira. Poor girl, now I feel bad for trying to switch things up for her a bit by feeding her something different. But I guess you don't know until you try!
And thanks again for helping me figure all this out. I hope it gets under control soon, too! It'll probably take a good month at least before I notice any changes I would imagine.
Thanks! Yeah, I bathed them in a vinegar rinse last night. Made them itch less at least for a little while.
And yeah, I wish Ripley would just stop that behaviour all together. He only does it in his crate because it's the one place nobody is around to tell him not to. He doesn't try anywhere else anymore thankfully. I'd tried leaving him loose in the basement rather than crate him for a while so he wouldn't have any blanket sucking opportunities, but after about three weeks of being behaved while loose he blew it.
I looked at their cookies last night and they're grain free without any peas or potatos or anything. They're Nature's Variety Instinct rabbit cookies. They don't even get them that often anyway, maybe a couple times per week when I remember. And for training treats I tend to use real food or Ziwipeak, so I don't think those should be affecting them. Hopefully not anyway.
Dance eats raw and does really well on it, so not worried about that at all. Just worried that they might not be able to do chicken or turkey at all (esp. in Keira's case), but we'll see. Hopefully they can because feeding them will get crazy expensive if they can't.
I know of a lot of dogs who do well on Wellness CORE. For me, the biggest thing with switching them off of the kibble they're eating to another brand like Wellness or something else is that prices sky rocket, so if I'm going to be paying $90 for three weeks worth of kibble, I'd rather feed them raw for close to the same amount of money or less. It's not that we can't afford to feed them something that costly, because we could if we had to, but obviously it's nice not to. And raw has been very inexpensive for Dance. I averaged it out last night and I think I've spent like $12-$15 per month to feed her, which is really good, so as long as the Dobes can adjust to it and not have to eat mainly red meats and fish, it's actually more economical than finding another brand of kibble.
Really sorry to hear about Neccy's intolerances, by the way. That's tough.
And thanks again for helping me figure all this out. I hope it gets under control soon, too! It'll probably take a good month at least before I notice any changes I would imagine.
Thanks! Yeah, I bathed them in a vinegar rinse last night. Made them itch less at least for a little while.
And yeah, I wish Ripley would just stop that behaviour all together. He only does it in his crate because it's the one place nobody is around to tell him not to. He doesn't try anywhere else anymore thankfully. I'd tried leaving him loose in the basement rather than crate him for a while so he wouldn't have any blanket sucking opportunities, but after about three weeks of being behaved while loose he blew it.
I looked at their cookies last night and they're grain free without any peas or potatos or anything. They're Nature's Variety Instinct rabbit cookies. They don't even get them that often anyway, maybe a couple times per week when I remember. And for training treats I tend to use real food or Ziwipeak, so I don't think those should be affecting them. Hopefully not anyway.
Dance eats raw and does really well on it, so not worried about that at all. Just worried that they might not be able to do chicken or turkey at all (esp. in Keira's case), but we'll see. Hopefully they can because feeding them will get crazy expensive if they can't.
I know of a lot of dogs who do well on Wellness CORE. For me, the biggest thing with switching them off of the kibble they're eating to another brand like Wellness or something else is that prices sky rocket, so if I'm going to be paying $90 for three weeks worth of kibble, I'd rather feed them raw for close to the same amount of money or less. It's not that we can't afford to feed them something that costly, because we could if we had to, but obviously it's nice not to. And raw has been very inexpensive for Dance. I averaged it out last night and I think I've spent like $12-$15 per month to feed her, which is really good, so as long as the Dobes can adjust to it and not have to eat mainly red meats and fish, it's actually more economical than finding another brand of kibble.
Really sorry to hear about Neccy's intolerances, by the way. That's tough.
Blah I've got a similar issue with Juno. I don't even know if hers is yeast (should probably verify that at some point) but she gets an irritated stomach. Putting her on Benadryl has made a big difference - first of all she's not itchy and miserable which is nice, and in turn her skin looks better because she's not constantly chewing and scratching at it.
Weekly baths have helped too. I use Earthbath tea tree & aloe shampoo.
Weekly baths have helped too. I use Earthbath tea tree & aloe shampoo.
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2012
- Messages
- 2
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 0
Your main concern is to accurately pinpoint the root cause of the skin and odor problem. Is it a skin allergy or are you looking at a more serious systemic yeast infection? While antibiotic treatment may bring about transient relief, this intervention may do more harm than good when it is overused. Antibiotics disrupt the normal balance of the gut flora and if indeed your pets are suffering from yeast infection, then this will actually make the condition worse. Discuss with your vet exclusion diet which will run for about 12 weeks to isolate the real trigger of the skin problem.
I told the vet this morning that Neccy's fur coat is the most expensive one I ever bought. Really it isn't that bad, one bag cost 60 dollars. THat bag feeds Victor, 50 lbs Neccy a little heavier, and Pepper 25 lbs for one month. I practically count out the pieces of kibble. I have to say all three positively gleam. I have never seen Victor look better. It is ludicrous on my income, and we make a lot of sacrifices but imho it must be worth it. It isn't a whole lot more than what I was feeding before. Neccy is growing hair now in the last one inch of her tail that I thought would never have hair, it had been a raw bloody hole and even when the rest of her furred out, it remained scarred. But there is now a fine fuzz and I am just thrilled. To do such a turn around at her age, is nothing short of a miracle to me. Not saying that anyone should go the expense and I am sure there are other ways but I personally am not messing with what works for us. I wish it was as easy to find answers for my own eating problems.
I haven't read all the replies, so if someone else has already referenced this, great!
www.greatdanelady.com has some really informative articles on yeast.
www.greatdanelady.com has some really informative articles on yeast.
Canine yeast infection is also called the stinky dog syndrome. The yeast that causes infection in dogs is called malasezzia pachydermatis. The dog would have lesions and painful sores. The itching and the constant scratching would result to hair loss in the affected areas. The dog will also stink.
The armpits, back and tummy of your dogs are affected. In other dogs the infection will be found on the neck, between the toes and in other areas where the skin is hidden.Yeast infection in dogs when caught during the early stage can be permanently cured. Left unchecked, the infection will eventually weaken the dog's immune system.
The dog has to have a kind of diet that will restore friendly bacteria that will fight infection. Raw dog diet or bone diet with supplements are recommended.
The armpits, back and tummy of your dogs are affected. In other dogs the infection will be found on the neck, between the toes and in other areas where the skin is hidden.Yeast infection in dogs when caught during the early stage can be permanently cured. Left unchecked, the infection will eventually weaken the dog's immune system.
The dog has to have a kind of diet that will restore friendly bacteria that will fight infection. Raw dog diet or bone diet with supplements are recommended.
Thanks! I've looked there before and there is something interesting info.
Neither one has sores or even any hairloss aside from maybe some minor loss in the flanks each, but nothing anyone else notices except for me. They aren't that bad. Bad enough for me to be bothered by it, but if they had sores and were disgustingly yeasty like I've seen on other dogs, back to the vet would have been my first decision before asking here. Mostly they stink. And they're itchy of course, but scratching hasn't resulted in extra hairloss. They do a lot of air scratching too I think just because they don't know where exactly they're itchy.
But either way, I know what a yeast infection is. I was just trying to think of things that could cause it so that I could eliminate the problem if possible. All the dogs are eating raw now and doing really well. Keira's flakey skin is pretty well gone, but she still smells kind of gross. Not as bad as it was I don't think though. And she's not scratching as much. Ripley is still quite flakey and smells gross, but I feel like he doesn't smell as bad as he did either. We'll see what happens in a month or so. Neither one is miserable anymore. Would just be nice to have them not smell icky at all.
Neither one has sores or even any hairloss aside from maybe some minor loss in the flanks each, but nothing anyone else notices except for me. They aren't that bad. Bad enough for me to be bothered by it, but if they had sores and were disgustingly yeasty like I've seen on other dogs, back to the vet would have been my first decision before asking here. Mostly they stink. And they're itchy of course, but scratching hasn't resulted in extra hairloss. They do a lot of air scratching too I think just because they don't know where exactly they're itchy.
But either way, I know what a yeast infection is. I was just trying to think of things that could cause it so that I could eliminate the problem if possible. All the dogs are eating raw now and doing really well. Keira's flakey skin is pretty well gone, but she still smells kind of gross. Not as bad as it was I don't think though. And she's not scratching as much. Ripley is still quite flakey and smells gross, but I feel like he doesn't smell as bad as he did either. We'll see what happens in a month or so. Neither one is miserable anymore. Would just be nice to have them not smell icky at all.
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2012
- Messages
- 2
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 0
More on the issue about systemic yeast infection in dogs - The "mechanics similar to that of yeast infection in humans. Yeast overgrowth leads to the release of harmful toxins into the gut, affecting the intestinal wall's mucus membrane. This results to the "leaking" of the harmful toxins and into the bloodstream. When you have this condition - your dog will manifest the following - itching, odorous eard, body smell, blackening or reddening of the skin, scabs and sores, rashes, shedding, discharges, arthritis.
I was just flipping through some pages on demodex, and I came across something interesting. Have you ever had skin scrapings done?
There is a newly described species of demodex called d. injei...it doesn't cause sores or anything like that, but from what I can see, can cause itching, greasiness, odor, etc. There isn't much information at all though.
Just a passing thought, figured I'd mention it
.
There is a newly described species of demodex called d. injei...it doesn't cause sores or anything like that, but from what I can see, can cause itching, greasiness, odor, etc. There isn't much information at all though.
Just a passing thought, figured I'd mention it
.Thanks for thinking of us!
They had all kinds of tests and skin biopsies done not too long ago. Some time in February.
The specialists feel that both of them have some form of follicular dysplasia that is genetic that can also sometimes make them more susceptible to secondary infections such as yeast.
The only strange thing though is that antibiotics don't really seem to clear the yeast up if that's really what it is. Keira still stinks and Ripley still goes through bouts where he looks great and where he looks awful. Ripley's worked pretty well, but absolutely no change seemed to happen for Keira. And it's not a case of them not being on meds long enough.
Apparently there is nothing we can do for what they think they have, other than make sure that they eat a lot of fish and stuff high in omegas. It's not a cure, but they appear to do better on a fish based diet it seems. I've seen minor differences.
Sucks that they stink though. I hate having smelly dogs. :-( It's not like it's overpowering, but still.
Sometimes I wonder if that's really what they have, as usually follicular dysplasias cause pretty severe forms of hair loss. And while I've noticed some coat thinning in certain areas, I don't foresee them ever getting bald and super sparse looking. But, I'm also not keen on spending a bunch more money at the moment for yet another opinion as this has already cost us an obscene amount of money for something pretty superficial and non-life threatening. They don't seem to be bothered by their skin at all.
I'd hope that having such deep tissue skin biopsies would be pretty accurate though.
They had all kinds of tests and skin biopsies done not too long ago. Some time in February.
The specialists feel that both of them have some form of follicular dysplasia that is genetic that can also sometimes make them more susceptible to secondary infections such as yeast.
The only strange thing though is that antibiotics don't really seem to clear the yeast up if that's really what it is. Keira still stinks and Ripley still goes through bouts where he looks great and where he looks awful. Ripley's worked pretty well, but absolutely no change seemed to happen for Keira. And it's not a case of them not being on meds long enough.
Apparently there is nothing we can do for what they think they have, other than make sure that they eat a lot of fish and stuff high in omegas. It's not a cure, but they appear to do better on a fish based diet it seems. I've seen minor differences.
Sucks that they stink though. I hate having smelly dogs. :-( It's not like it's overpowering, but still.
Sometimes I wonder if that's really what they have, as usually follicular dysplasias cause pretty severe forms of hair loss. And while I've noticed some coat thinning in certain areas, I don't foresee them ever getting bald and super sparse looking. But, I'm also not keen on spending a bunch more money at the moment for yet another opinion as this has already cost us an obscene amount of money for something pretty superficial and non-life threatening. They don't seem to be bothered by their skin at all.
I'd hope that having such deep tissue skin biopsies would be pretty accurate though.
Wheat, corn, sugar, what it did to Neccy is deplorable. Even she has figured it out and won't search out. When the other dogs get treat, I will give her a crumb of real butter, just a wee little bit I rub on the roof of her mouth so she doens't swallow it whole, or a smidgen of cheese so she doesn't get her feelings hurt. Sometiems a little bit of sandwich meat. I read labels on everything. Did you know that some hot dogs are laces with it?
The dobes eat super healthy. They don't get any 'junk' food at all. Raw was what they ate for a while, with zero change, and now they eat Orijen 6 Fish with some raw and are doing a bit better. They really don't get treats anymore either aside from dehydrated liver or heart or duck feet. Or baked meat with garlic for training. So there is really nothing I can do to tweak their diet to make it healthier and less prone to yeast production as far as I can tell. I wish it was as simple as a change in diet, but unfortunately it isn't. :-(
Just something we have to live with and battle for the rest of their lives it seems. Thanks though.
Just something we have to live with and battle for the rest of their lives it seems. Thanks though.
Violet has constant yeast problems. What we do to keep it under control is:
Raw diet
Fish oil pills
Benedryl
Claritin
She has each of those daily (except the Benedryl, we usually try to hold off on it unless she's really itchy that day) and she has not had another "itching so crazy, licking so much that a hot spot develops and she goes bald" type of problem. However she is getting itchy right now. But she looks GREAT, better than she has in months, and is not losing hair or getting flaky dry skin. I'm hoping the continued itchyness is seasonal and that she will get over it soon (because for a while there she wasn't itching much at all) because otherwise we're going to have to try something else (in addition).
Raw diet
Fish oil pills
Benedryl
Claritin
She has each of those daily (except the Benedryl, we usually try to hold off on it unless she's really itchy that day) and she has not had another "itching so crazy, licking so much that a hot spot develops and she goes bald" type of problem. However she is getting itchy right now. But she looks GREAT, better than she has in months, and is not losing hair or getting flaky dry skin. I'm hoping the continued itchyness is seasonal and that she will get over it soon (because for a while there she wasn't itching much at all) because otherwise we're going to have to try something else (in addition).