Question About NILIF

BigDog2191

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Well, I gotta question... I heard this from another forum;

If you're doing NILIF you shouldn't let your dog on the bed cause it's, of course, the best seat in the house. Only for the alphas and if you're up there with 'em then he/she thinks that they're at least equal to you or even better in the pecking order.

True?
 

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I have heard this, but my dogs ALWAYS sleep on the bed with me and my husband. I never let them up on the bed unless I give them permission. I don't even let them have one foot on the bed unless I say it is ok. I think as long as you are to give them permission than it is ok for them to be on the bed, but I'm not TOO certain. I think SAJE would know more about that particular training method.
 

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I always let my dogs on my bed with me, but like juliefurry said only when I give them permission and they have to get off if I tell them to. As long as they listen to me to get on and off I have no problems with it.
 
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That's a good idea while training during the puppy stages, BigDog. I'm a big sucker and let my dogs rule. But they still obey and know I'm the alpha. Guess I just lucked out.
 

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I think it's a judgement call and not a cut and dry thing. If someone is having some real aggression problems, then no way should the dog have such a privilege. For instance, I don't let Lyric on my bed because I have a brand new silk comforter and he just would take up too much room anyhow. I don't mind once in a while having the Chi's in there, but they are shedding and also put out a lot of heat. But if I did want him to sleep with me, I wouldn't worry because he has to do plenty of other stuff that I ask and he knows without question that I set the rules and so forth. If I were a person who was a wimp and wasn't a clear leader and the dog was challenging me in any way, shape or form, furniture privileges would be gone.

So, if you're not having a problem and the dog understands who's the leader because of many other factors or ways you do things, then it shouldn't be a problem. It's just that some owners allow too much and then that's just one more thing. And some dogs then get the idea that they're all that. LOL.

But they can slip things in that you're not noticing as far as signs of challenging.....begging, pushing to be petted, demanding that you play fetch, generally them choosing when and what YOU will do. Gotta kinda watch out for too much pushy stuff. A little is nothing more than a dog wanting something, just like a kid. But if it is given into every time, then the dog starts getting spoiled....just like a kid. They get demanding, pushy and aggressive. And the more the "Mom" backs off and gives in, the more intense the child or dog becomes. It's just that kids don't usually have great big teeth and don't tend to bite or growl as much. LOL. They just grow up thinking the world revolves around them, everyone owes them a living, not thinking about anyone but themselves and end up robbing convenience stores with a gun. :eek:
 

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Well, I think the general idea of NILIF is that they have to do something for you before they get anything. So, I think it's great that they sleep on the bed if that's what you both want. But try asking him to do something for you first - like sit, down or whatever you are working on.
 

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Have you had any problems with aggression with him being on your bed or in any other way?
We also allow ours on the bed but only with our permission.
 

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The only time I would worry about this is if your dog is a resource guarder. Resource guarding has nothing to do with dominance as it is usually a dog in the lower scheme of things that will resource guard.
I sleep with my Rottweiler and Doberman and my Sister sleep with all 3 Newfoundland dogs, the cat goes between the 2 of us. We have no problems at all and the dogs feel free to bed hop if they wish. If I want to sit on the couch and there is no room I have my dog get down from the couch. If the dog were to growl at me and not move...then couch and bed privileges would be taken away for awhile until he/she learns that it is a privilege not a right to be on the furniture. NIFIL basically teaches the dog rules of the household, it is not showing a dog you are the Alpha. Dogs and children all need rules (so do all species of mammals). Any time there is a group of animals living together they need to have rules. Also the NIFIL policy makes even fearful shy dogs feel secure, we all need rules to abide by...if we don't have rules some dogs become confused. The worst offenders are people who don't practice the NIFIL and let their dogs do whatever, then comes the day the owners try to enforce rules, I have seen some dogs get frustrated and confused over the sudden change especially since some owners will become hostile towards the dog. For example the dog is allowed on the couch since being a pup, the pup grows up and suddenly the owner decides the dog is no longer allowed on the couch, they grab the dog by the collar pull it off the couch and say "bad dog". The dog is going to be surprised and may become defensive, snap, or become fearful and start associating the owner with being unpredictable. The owner then thinks because the dog snapped it is being dominant or aggressive...
NIFIL is meant to be a non threatening training method which is not meant to over whelm or confuse the dog. You are kindly showing the dog the rules of the house and a default action of sit to earn rewards. Basically like the child who cleans their room if they want their allowance, you don't threaten a child to clean their room (although some people do :rolleyes: ) you encourage them. You are also not teaching this child you are the Alpha :) You are teaching them to be a respected well represented, well behaved part of the human race. Look at children that have no rules and you will see a delinquent child who will probably end up in jail, the same applies to dogs..
 

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guess i am different, but i don't care if they are on the bed..i have a comforter that i put across the top to protect the better bedding underneath. I prefer Mary not be on the floor and since the living room is now a factory there is no room for a sofa, only the chaise and it is only big enuff for one dog. I come in and Victor is sprawled across my bed and i see him there and he sees me coming in for a quick rest, his tail tip wags and he flashes me a grin, it is our snuggle place. I tell them when i come to bed that i have worked all day as fast as i could to get back,,i love my bed and i don't mind that Victor does too. It is getting harder and harder for Mary to get up there, even with a boost so i have actually lowered it by removing the box springs. I never had a problem with Bronki either, we were a team, and now Victor and i are a team. He has to mind me and he knows it..there should be a place of complete peace in life, that is ours.
 
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My dogs aren't allowed on furniture...however, I will occassionally let them up. The rule is when I tell them to get off, I mean it and they better obey me.
 

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Couch allowed here, but not the bed. There's already not enough room for us and the cats up there, lol.
 

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Well, I've got a question.

If NILIF isn't establishing that you're the alpha male/female... then what exactly does?

I surely hope it's not walking into doors before your dog... that seems a little weird... also... do you have to eat first? A little help here... please :D.

Thanks everyone.
 

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Well I think we all follow NILIF to some extent. I've never thought about the food thing to be honest, and they always eat before I do because we just don't eat at the same times (ie they get food when I wake up, I get my breakfast 30 mins to one hour later, and they eat at 6pm and me at 7). I'm more interested in the door thing though, how do I tell my 60 lbs dog that he's supposed to go through the door after me?
 

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