Pure bred APBT? pics.

[BullyVixen]

Does she look pure bred APBT to you. The "breeder" says her mom was red nose and her dad was a blue nose. Something isnt right about that. She is quite stocky. She is very stubborn. She likes to grab the leash on walks and try to pull it out of your hands. If I pull back, I can lift her back feet off the ground while shes hanging on. She doesnt let go. She doesnt like to listen to comands, she does what she wants.

She is extremely rough when playing with other dogs. If the other dog is smaller than her, she will bite and not let go even when the dog squeals. she cannot play with toy breeds, she will hurt them. Here she is...

10 weeks.

3 months.

 

[milos_mommy]

She's probably too young to tell, but she looks purebred.

Be very careful letting her interact with other dogs as she gets bigger. You want to socialize her properly, but not letting go when another dog squeals is not a very good sign. Unfortunately, with many pit bulls, no matter how much you socialize them, they'll still be aggressive towards other dogs. This often surfaces between 8 or 9 months and 2.5 years, as the dog reaches maturity (but can come out at any time).

Are you taking her to puppy kindergarten classes? She looks like a sweetheart.

 

[Renee750il]

The only thing that throws me is her feet and legs. Terriers tend to have smallish feet and slender legs, but that could change as she grows.

She's a cutie, no matter what, and there's a whole world of intelligence -- and mischief -- in those eyes

What's her name?

 

[BullyVixen]

Her name is Bossy. Its quite fitting.

What throws me is this....

 

[milos_mommy]

Are you questions where the freckles under her tongue indict she has something other than APBT in her?

The notion that coloration in the mouth indicates breed is an old myth. Some breeds (like chow chows and shar peis) almost ALWAYS have dark pigment in their mouths, but any breed can have it. It says absolutely nothing about a dog's lineage.

 

[BullyVixen]

The reason I question is because it could possibly point towards another breed. Maybe, maybe not. That and she and her littermates have a lot of wrinkles on their head that ive never seen in pure bred pit puppies. She comes from a litter of 14. 12 puppies were a rich red color. Two puppies, which were the only males had long fur and had white blazes and chests. Though I do know that a female can have pups from two different sires.

It just makes me wonder. Obviously some other breed is in there or the bitch was available to other sires if two pups had long fur.

It does not seem like a blue nose and red nose are likely to produce 14 black nosed pups.

The wrinkles, tiny ears, and purple tongue spots suggest that there could possibly be some shar pei in there. But there is no way in telling for sure.

 

[milos_mommy]

Most pit puppies I've ever seen do have wrinkly foreheads and tiny ears. And the tongue spots don't suggest anything at all. Neither does them having white on them.

And blue nose and red nose really doesn't mean anything. It's just the color their noses are, and it's a recessive trait to black noses. So it's very likely the whole litter would have black noses in that case.

However, long fur is not something you would likely see in a pure bred pit bull puppy. So if two puppies had longish fur, then they are likely mixed with something longer-haired.

Plus, it's possible a mix breed dog will have a litter where some puppies look exactly like one parent, some look like the other, and some look like any kind of combination. You're right, there is no way to tell for sure.

 

[Aleron]

She looks like she could be purebred but it's very hard to tell with young puppies. As people have mentioned, APBTs (and many mixes of them) are not the best dogs for dog interaction. I would suggest not exposing her to group dog play but instead socializing her to other dogs by training her that they are of no interest to her - not potential threats, sparring partners or friends. It's pretty easy to do - just take her to class, pet stores, etc where she will only be around other leashed dogs and instead of letting her interact with the other dogs, teach her that focusing on you is rewarding. Bring lots of really good treats and be prepared to back away from dogs who are too distracting to her.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Nothing about her says shar pei to me. She's likely just an apbt.

This is my friends well bred apbt puppy.

her sibling

another sibling

 

[colliewog]

I was okay with everything until you mentioned the long hair - certain marking patterns can show up in some, but not all, of the puppies, which could explain the white markings. And as someone else pointed out, red nose and blue nose color go with the diluted color of the dog - the genetics behind them could be (and often is) dark nosed dogs.

She could easily be a APBT; who's to say otherwise? But please do not breed her with that kind of "iffy" background - you don't know what you'll get!

Cute pup, though. Congrats!

 

[Pops2]

red & blue are both recessive, that means the parents can only pass on the recessive gene. i would guess mixed.

 

[Chewbecca]

Even if you have met her parents (red and blue are simply nose colors), if you don't have a well-tracked pedigree on her, then you have a pit bull.
You can not prove she is an American Pit Bull Terrier in a "pure" sense.

She looks like an APBT to me, but since you do not have a well-tracked pedigree on her, she is what she is.
And she's ADORABLE.

Pulling on the leash is a puppy thing. Not a pit bull thing.
She's cute, for sure.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

red & blue are both recessive, that means the parents can only pass on the recessive gene. i would guess mixed.

No, from what I understand they can pass a black nose. In fact that is to be expected unless the blue carries liver, or the rednose carries dilution, the entire litter would have black pigment.

 

[BullyVixen]

Most pit puppies I've ever seen do have wrinkly foreheads and tiny ears. And the tongue spots don't suggest anything at all. Neither does them having white on them.

And blue nose and red nose really doesn't mean anything. It's just the color their noses are, and it's a recessive trait to black noses. So it's very likely the whole litter would have black noses in that case.

However, long fur is not something you would likely see in a pure bred pit bull puppy. So if two puppies had longish fur, then they are likely mixed with something longer-haired.

Plus, it's possible a mix breed dog will have a litter where some puppies look exactly like one parent, some look like the other, and some look like any kind of combination. You're right, there is no way to tell for sure.

Pit bulls can be any color, so I know white means nothing. What I meant was its odd that the two pups who has long fur, also had large white markings, suggesting that they might have had a different father. They also looked differnt bodywise. They didnt look as "bully" as the females, just larger.

As far as nose color goes, id think it would be likely for a red nose and blue nose to produce a mixture in the litter. the fact that ALL 14 pups had the same color nose seems unlikely to me. And I am aware that the nose color could have nothing to do with breed. It just seems odd is all.

 

[BullyVixen]

I am definitely not a genetic expert though.

 

[Pops2]

No, from what I understand they can pass a black nose. In fact that is to be expected unless the blue carries liver, or the rednose carries dilution, the entire litter would have black pigment.

i'm not up on the nose color as i am the coat, but my understanding is that red & blue are both recessive to black and as such require two recessives to express. therefore the parents can only pass the recessive genes, meaning they don't have a black gene to pass. please let me know if this is incorrect.

 

[JennSLK]

i'm not up on the nose color as i am the coat, but my understanding is that red & blue are both recessive to black and as such require two recessives to express. therefore the parents can only pass the recessive genes, meaning they don't have a black gene to pass. please let me know if this is incorrect.

Dont know if the nose color is ressessive but if it is, then yes the parents can only pass on a ressesive gene. Meaning the puppies would all have one ressesive red gene and one ressesive blue gene. What color would that come out as?

 

[stafinois]

i'm not up on the nose color as i am the coat, but my understanding is that red & blue are both recessive to black and as such require two recessives to express. therefore the parents can only pass the recessive genes, meaning they don't have a black gene to pass. please let me know if this is incorrect.

They are both recessive, but they aren't on the same gene series. So if the blue doesn't carry liver (rednose), and the rednose doesn't carry dilution (blue), all of the pups will have black pigment. A dog can even be dilute and liver (blue and rednose) at the same time. The color is called isabella or lilac in a lot of breeds.

 

[MicksMom]

Dont know if the nose color is ressessive but if it is, then yes the parents can only pass on a ressesive gene. Meaning the puppies would all have one ressesive red gene and one ressesive blue gene. What color would that come out as?

Lavendar? :lol-sign: OK, seriously, all I can think of is a washed out grey color.

 

[stafinois]

Dont know if the nose color is ressessive but if it is, then yes the parents can only pass on a ressesive gene. Meaning the puppies would all have one ressesive red gene and one ressesive blue gene. What color would that come out as?

The pup would get one normal (non-red/liver) pigment gene from the blue, and one red/liver pigment gene from the rednose parent. Then it would get one normal (non-dilute) gene from the rednose, and one dilute gene from the blue. That would make a dog with black pigment that carries both liver and dilution.