Please send good thoughts to my dogs, I'm terrified.

[TahlzK]

No, I'm sorry my family aren't dog nazi's who are on them 24/7 like so many of you. She was inside the house 24/7 (unless she was doing something with the dogs) though because she doesn't work so if anything would have happened, the dogs would have been fine. Plus, where we live, it's a low chance any bad crap will happen.

Anyway, at one point Serenity will be moved to a kennel for extra safety, probably when I get back from my Holiday.

 

[Barbara!]

Ok sorry I was on my cell all day and I dropped it so typing is a pain.

My main thing isn't the dogs are outside. My main thing isn't that she went on vacation.

My main thing is she has described a situation where her dogs really should not be there. She says she thinks they are good now. Raids don't just pop up and disappear. If there really was a REAL threat of it I don't see it just going away and getting better. She says she has a responsible friend that could get them. EVEN IF it has gotten better I'd still 100% want my dogs out of there. After all this there SHOULD NOT be a let's wait and see and hope attitude. If she has the means to get her dogs out and to a safe place she should be doing that.

1. Also for me I haven't seen anyone accuse her of anything since the first people in this thread were told to leave other forum stuff off of here. If I accused her of anything it was being irresponsible.

2. I do live with my dad. Yoshi is an inside dog but I wouldn't let her roam my house. She knows how to open doors/the fridge/cabinets. If I couldn't take her with me and I couldn't find someone who is 100% trustworthy with Yoshi and is in a situation I'm comfortable with I don't go. I've missed out on two fully paid week long cruises that my grandparents have paid for. My entire family plus my brothers girlfriend and some friends went free. I didn't go. This summer a week before my birthday in July my entire family is leaving to spend an entire week and a half at the lake totally paid for by my grandparents again. I'm not going. I couldn't find anyone who could watch Yoshi that I trusted their situation and them enough to leave for a week and a half.

I get living with parents does include certain rules when it comes to pets for some people. But she is 20. This isn't a child who's family is going on vacation and they have absolutely no say in it. This is an adult who decided to go have fun and leave her dogs in a bad situation.

You can say it's a good situation all you want. But an aggressive dog with no one home all day with only someone coming by to feed/water the dog is not a good situation there are a LOT of things that can go wrong here. This thread is an example of stuff that can go wrong. Not only that her brother who she doesn't trust anyway has been hanging around there. I won't even leave Yoshi with a few of my friends because I don't trust their kids to not feed her weird crap. She left her dog with minimal supervision in a place her brother frequents enough to warrant a possible raid on her house and even though she says she has a friend who can get her dogs and get them to a safe place she isn't going to do it because 'she thinks it's safe'. I don't know where you guys are from but where I am situations that warrant raids don't pop up and disappear in 24 hours.

If you really think this is an ideal situation thank GOD you are on Chaz because you definitely have a lot to learn.

You are jumping to a hell of a lot of irrational conclusions. What YOU would do with your dogs does not govern what someone else should do with theirs.

I hate boarding facilities. They stress dogs out. And as Tahlz said, I would much rather have my dogs at home, with someone they trust, in a secure environment they are familiar with. And that is what Tahlz has done. They are in a secure environment, and when did she say she stopped trying to contact her friend? She didn't. There is no need to be so judgemental...at all.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

So...you expect no one to ever leave their dogs unsupervised outside? A chain spot or zip line can be just as secure. Also, her dogs are in a secure fence. No one can just "wander in".

I expect responsible owners to protect their dogs and an exposed dog, a fearful or overtly guard prone dog, without direct supervision is an accident waiting to happen.

This isn't most of our first rodeo with the OP nor this mentality. I've seen it plenty of way and argued to death. I've yet to see a pro to leaving a dog, particularly a potential bite case, alone in a yard without supervision unless your goal is for the dog to bite a roaming stranger. If that is your goal by all means dive in but arm yourself for the consequences.

I have a 12 foot wall escalading retaining wall on the back of my yard and in the lat year I've had two strangers in my yard, one was a kid looking for his toy plane and the other was a young man trying to find a short cut through the neighborhood. Thank god I was outside with my dogs to recall them before blood was shed.

 

[yoko]

You are jumping to a hell of a lot of irrational conclusions. What YOU would do with your dogs does not govern what someone else should do with theirs.

I hate boarding facilities. They stress dogs out. And as Tahlz said, I would much rather have my dogs at home, with someone they trust, in a secure environment they are familiar with. And that is what Tahlz has done. They are in a secure environment, and when did she say she stopped trying to contact her friend? She didn't. There is no need to be so judgemental...at all.

Obviously it isn't secure. She mentioned earlier she doesn't know if they'd even stay in the kennel since the top is only a tarp that may or may not be latched on.

And I'm pointing it out because there are a TON of inconsistencies in what she has said so as far as I'm concerned she needs to get her dogs out.

 

[TahlzK]

I don't know what is happening. Mum doesn't believe anything will be happening now, I'm confused and stressed about the whole situation. I'm hearing things second hand and from mums point of view. I have tried contacting my friends and nether can take them. My brother can't take them because he has kids and he wont put them at risk because of Serenity, which is totally fair. So, yes, I am hoping and praying that they will be safe, locking in a kennel, they can't get out so they should be safe.

I fully admit I chose to go on a Holiday and have fun and everything would have went smoothly if we weren't so worried about what **** my stupid brother has caused. My friend was home the WHOLE time, the WHOLE time, she doesn't work. My dog was not left unsupervised. I never said my the raid chance was over, it's just less likely since new information has popped up.

I am willing to learn, I have so far with a lot of things.

 

[TahlzK]

The tarp is now securely on. My friend fixed it up before putting the dogs in. I'd still prefer to leave the dogs in kennels at home then at a boarding place.

 

[Danefied]

No, I'm sorry my family aren't dog nazi's who are on them 24/7 like so many of you. She was inside the house 24/7 (unless she was doing something with the dogs) though because she doesn't work so if anything would have happened, the dogs would have been fine. Plus, where we live, it's a low chance any bad crap will happen.

Anyway, at one point Serenity will be moved to a kennel for extra safety, probably when I get back from my Holiday.

Dog Nazis?

Oh boy....

 

[yoko]

You are jumping to a hell of a lot of irrational conclusions. What YOU would do with your dogs does not govern what someone else should do with theirs.

Hi Kettle. I'm Pot. I don't know how cool I am with you calling me black.

I hate boarding facilities. They stress dogs out. And as Tahlz said, I would much rather have my dogs at home, with someone they trust, in a secure environment they are familiar with. And that is what Tahlz has done. They are in a secure environment, and when did she say she stopped trying to contact her friend? She didn't. There is no need to be so judgemental...at all.

I guess, but coming from my viewpoint as a pit bull owner, where having a bite risk dog is potentially fatal to the animal, I would never ever consider leaving a fear aggressive dog at a boarders. For me, it's either tied up outside with someone living inside the house watching them, or leave them with friends.

Why do you think you can't have a companion animal outside...? I'm not understanding your questions because they are suggesting that companion animals do not have a place outside, which I completely disagree with. When I had my outside dogs, they were outside because my house was MUCH to small for them to be inside

Sounds like someone is complaining about people putting their opinions based off of experience while doing the same thing.

 

[TahlzK]

Maybe the whole dog nazi thing didn't come out properly but Strict and tight on everything. No, my family members are not like that and that isn't my fault. They ARE NOT huge dog people. They see no problem with outside dogs 24/7, they also see no problem with how i left my dogs and I still don't. At least they aren't outside dogs 24/7 and get attention, exercise and good food.

Yes, I am relax on some things myself, yes, she is on a zipline because I'd prefer her to have room. Though, she may be going in to a kennel soon when I'm home.

 

[Red Chrome]

I leave my property...my dogs are inside in crates or ex pens. Period. They are never outside when no oone is home.

I prefer this. No chance for votes or ananything of the sort.

 

[JessLough]

I'm so confused by the inconsistencies from both you and "Barbara" in this thread

 

[yoko]

I'm so confused by the inconsistencies from both you and "Barbara" in this thread

Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one that saw it.

 

[Danefied]

I'm so confused by the inconsistencies from both you and "Barbara" in this thread

Agreed, but once we start calling people nazis, I’m out...

 

[JessLough]

Agreed, but once we start calling people nazis, I’m out...

We really need our like button...

 

[Barbara!]

Inconsistencies? I'm concerned about people on this forums inability to read proper English. It has been said many times that the spots the dogs are on are secure, that they are not left unsupervised, and yet the argument continues on with you guys saying "I would never leave a dog outside unsupervised" and so on and so forth when it has been SAID that they were not unattended. You're confused because you're not reading, and it's sad that Tahlz has to beat the brunt of your judgemental attitude. Like I said, just because YOU do one thing with your dog, doesn't mean that everyone else has to abide by your rules and anyone that doesn't is wrong...that's not true. Just to clarify, to anyone who is confused and because Tahlz is too nice to really stand up for herself:

Tahlz went on vacation with her Mother and Sister. She left the dogs outside, with Serenity on a secure zipline and Sunny roaming their secure yard. They were left under the supervision of Tahlz's trusted friend, or her responsible brother. (That part I am unsure about.). either way, the dogs were NOT unsupervised. Tahlz's idiot brother, who doesn't even live with them, risked a police raid at their house. Whoever mentioned the tarp on top of the kennel, Serenity is not in a kennel...the kennel idea was discussed when Tahlz was thinking of a place Serenity could be put during the raid if it happened. (She was put there momentarily during the raid risk, while supervised and inside of a yard.) So no, she isn't in an unsecure kennel because she isn't even IN a kennel. Tahlz did not board her dogs because Serenity is a bite risk and boarding facilities are stressful and I agree with her decision to do that.

If anymore clarification is needed feel free to ask but the points you all have been addressing have been answered and then you claim you are "confused". There are no inconsistencies..the story has been the same from the start.

 

[JessLough]

And I'm concerned about your ability to keep your story straight

FYI, English is not the only language in the world, and is therefore not everybodys first language

Can't quote right now, but the big inconsistency from you is you said you have dogs that are outside 100% of the time. You then went to say that none of your dogs are outside dogs.

ETA: I love that every time somebody questions you, you try and insult the entire board. You're real mature, aren't you?

 

[sassafras]

It has been said many times that the spots the dogs are on are secure, that they are not left unsupervised, and yet the argument continues on with you guys saying "I would never leave a dog outside unsupervised" and so on and so forth when it has been SAID that they were not unattended.

I disagree with your definition of "supervision", which isn't the same as not understanding English... but I'm a dog nazi.

Tahlz did not board her dogs because Serenity is a bite risk and boarding facilities are stressful and I agree with her decision to do that.

I also disagree that boarding facilities are so stressful that it's a better idea to leave a fear aggressive dog tied up in a yard than board it in a secure facility. Also, not a problem with understanding English.

 

[Barbara!]

And I'm concerned about your ability to keep your story straight

FYI, English is not the only language in the world, and is therefore not everybodys first language

Can't quote right now, but the big inconsistency from you is you said you have dogs that are outside 100% of the time. You then went to say that none of your dogs are outside dogs.

ETA: I love that every time somebody questions you, you try and insult the entire board. You're real mature, aren't you?

I said that I HAVE HAD dogs that were outside 100% of the time.

I never insulted the entire forum. I said "people on this forum". If I had insulted the entire board, I would have said "everyone".

 

[LauraLeigh]

I am amazed that someone perfectly willing to agree you should "Euthanize" shy dogs that can be lovingly and safely managed because they "could" be put in a situation that could cause bad press for their breed, is perfectly ok with this situation and jumping on those who question it...

To the OP I hope everything works out, and you get yourself set up better next time so you and your dogs don't have to go through this stress again...

 

[Barbara!]

I am amazed that someone perfectly willing to agree you should "Euthanize" shy dogs that can be lovingly and safely managed because they "could" be put in a situation that could cause bad press for their breed, is perfectly ok with this situation and jumping on those who question it...

To the OP I hope everything works out, and you get yourself set up better next time so you and your dogs don't have to go through this stress again...

Please quote where I said shy dogs who can be managed should be euthanized. Thanks.