Planning to stud, advice?

[West]

Hey everyone I was thinking about studing West when he gets old enough. Right now he is humping, but Im not sure he knows what he is doing exactly.

I want to do this right, I want to find the right bitch and the right breeder that wont be an idoit with my sons offspring. Another big issue is he is a purebred Belgian Malinois, so his type is very rare around here (Dallas) Should he only offer his "services" to other Mals? How EXACTLY does this work? I want to be as responsible as possible.

 

[Lizmo]

First off, why do you want to breed?

 

[Lynx]

Well, I'm not going to go too detailed here, since I'm no breeder by any means.

and I second lizmo's question, why do you want to breed?

However
West should have been evaluated by a judge, and should be proven in the conformation ring that he is indeed, to the standard. IMHO, I think dogs should be finished have their championships before they are bred. And, since you own a active breed, getting him into agiliy, obedience, .. etc, is even more impressive in his "resume". Lol You also need to have his hips checked, and any other hereditary disease that may run in the breed checked off. His parents, grandparents, .. his pedigree, should also have good hips, good everything down the line. While that may sound intimindating, and down the line one parent may have had bad hips or whatever, yet the closer relatives have excellent or good, then you might be ok. Hope that made sense, or was right.. someone will correct me I'm sure!

Also, yes, ONLY OFFER HIS SERVIVES TO OTHER MALS. With the current pe overpopulation, you do not want to create more mutts into the world to leave the others dying in shelters. May sound anti mutt, but it totally isn't. Also, usually, since you do own a rather uncommon breed, you mostly will end up shipping. Alot of breeders ship they're dogs to even europe.

Thats just my knowledge, I'm sure you'll get alot more once others respond.

 

[bubbatd]

I agree with both above !!! And by all means make sure the female has all the tests plus brucellosis . I had many calls for my males' services ....I accepted 3 in 20 years. Most wanted to breed at first heat .......... one of those came back after 2yrs and all tests done . If you do cross breeding , you are only adding to BYBing !!!! Don't advertize !!!! If you dog is worthy of breeding , you will be contacted .

 

[Zoom]

Echo the above, unless you approached by offers from Canadian Belgian owners, then you should stay with Mals. The Can.KC and FCI allow "inter-breeding" of Belgian types, like Mal to Terv, etc. but the AKC does not.

What makes West worthy of being a stud?

 

[otch1]

Hi West... I try to do my homework before posting something like this so forgive me if I'm missing anything. Westin is currently a 9 1/2 month old puppy. He is on one youtube.video that I could find. Respectfully speaking, he is a pet quality pup. You are not a breeder and I believe, have so much to learn about breeding Malinois'. It's such an undertaking, keeping a breeding pair or owning a stud dog and until he's proven himself (you have to do more than just advertise that you have an uneutered dog with papers) it's unlikey you'll have any Malinios owners wanting to breed to your dog. (Other than those "idiot breeders" as you put it.) There are too many proffessional breeders out there with proven dogs. That fact that you're asking wrether or not you should just let him breed to Mals or other breeds as well, says it all. Please save yourself the headache and neuter your pet. He is such a cutie. I imagine he would excell at obedience work, should you decide you want to be competitive with him in a more productive way. Again, I've read literally hundreds of posts here on Chaz, of members chewing owners out for breeding their pets. I am hopefully stating this as constructively as possible, without offending you.

 

[showpug]

You have gotten great advice. All I can add is the one thing thay makes you a responsible breeder vs. an irresponsible breeder is the purpose for which you breed. Breeding for money, creating puppies because you can or because you have a rare breed is not responsible reasoning and is not purpose! Breeding health tested, champion titled stock to the best possible mate for the betterment of the next generation...now that is purpose!

 

[West]

Didnt expect such snippy responses. Lizmo, you must run the show around here. So I will answer your snipp question first, I dont want to breed. I was thinking about it and came here to ask questions first. Somehow I thought that was a good idea, maybe I was wrong. Just letting my boy do whoever or whatever he wants at his own will just does not seem right. So I ask questions, I hope in the future that is okay with you.

Lynx, I agree he does need to be seen by a judge, but at less than a year he looks like he is getting along quite well. He is just now starting to fill out he isnt quite square yet, but he is getting there. His dad/grandad did very well in agillity as well as ob. From what I understand his mom was killer at ob but was also a chewer and ate a towel and get very sick shortly after West was born. Tracing back all of his family should be easy because the breeder has all the past records down to the letter.

Otch1- What is a pet quality pup? And how can that be said respectfully? Im not sure if Im missunderstanding but if that means what Im thinking, its kinda like saying your child is ugly???

Also,that vid was taken months ago. He has grown more than a little bit.

Im sorry if I sound defensive but jeez guys, the responsible thing to do is ask questions BEFORE you do things if you dont know what your doing. maybe bashing people on the internet is the reason people do stupid stuff without asking questions. Lighten up, hes not breeding anytime soon. if at all.

 

[West]

double post I guess Im runnin up my post count!

Showpug, If we did breed it would only for him to have his breed advanced since there are so few of these great dogs....And give him someone else to play with

 

[ChRotties]

No one is being snippy. Lizmo asked you a question that you must ask yourself before breeding. If your answer is anything but because you want to better the breed, then it's irresponsible to do so.

Breeding dogs and breeding dogs responsibly are two totally different things.
I would suggest getting involved with the breed...start showing in conformation, find a GOOD mentor...become a student first of the breed and learn all you can.

No one here wants to see another irresponsible breeder putting puppies on the earth that never should have been bred to start with.

If the breeder of your dog is responsible, and I don't know one way or the other, but that is the person that should be helping you make these decisions. Do you by chance have a contract with your dog?

 

[ravennr]

Obedience and Agility titles are not what makes a dog a good representative of it's breed.

Conformation titles, and working titles, go best. That's what your dog needs. Along with every health test being passed. Otherwise, you could be breeding a dog that will produce horrid offspring that are terrible representatives of the breed.

 

[Zoom]

Pet quality means that while the dog is a great dog and makes a wonderful pet, they have certain conformation flaws that are not desirable to pass on. Doesn't mean they're ugly, just that they're not breeding quality. My dog Sawyer is a gorgeous, wonderfully smart dog but defininetly not breeding quality. His head shape is just a little off and his front feet are too big. Not to mention that he's a rescue and came neutered.

Believe me, these are not snippy responses. These are just all basic questions that have to answered before one should consider breeding their dog. If you think your dog has a shot at being breeding quality, start showing him in conformation. That will give you a pretty good idea about how he stacks up.

 

[showpug]

double post I guess Im runnin up my post count!

Showpug, If we did breed it would only for him to have his breed advanced since there are so few of these great dogs....And give him someone else to play with

West, I think it is great that you are asking questions ahead of time. That is the first responsible step.

I am sorry if it seemed like some of us gave off harshly, but I honestly don't think anyone intended to. Just a lot of passionate people on this board that are very knowledgeable on the subject.

Just remember there is no advancement within a breed, even if it is rare, by breeding poor stock. Not saying West is by any means. But if you decide you want to breed just make sure you do it right by these steps:

1.) Show him in conformation and any other avenue you feel he would excel.

2.) Obtain a championship title

3.) Health test him. This means have him certified by the OFA for hips and elbows and CERF for his eyes. Look into any other screens that are necessary for his breed.

4.) Only breed him to a bitch that meets the same standards.

If any of the above criteria are not met then a dogs should not be bred. In some instances there are exceptions to this, but for the most part those are the basic stepping stones to responsible breeding.

Good luck.

 

[West]

Thanks showpug, thats what I was looking for. What is the OFA?

 

[showpug]

Thanks showpug, thats what I was looking for. What is the OFA?

Orthopedic Foundation for Animals.

If you are interested, have a look around their site and look at the different diseases and health testing information. A dog can not be certified until at least 18 months of age.

www.offa.org

Also, here is the CERF site for eye health:
http://www.vmdb.org/cerf.html

 

[Sunnierhawk0]

Living in the Dallas/Ft Worth area I can tell you the breed is NOT THAT rare. I have seen quite a few at the shows around here.

Please do not breed until you fully understand the commitment & responsiblity that goes into breeding a litter.

I honestly think it would do you a world of good to hook up with a mentor in our area for your breed that can start to help you get on the right path. Go to the local shows ( we have alot in our area) or if thats unsucessful in finding someone, the AKC website (www.akc.org) has a mentor program on thier site.

I highly encourage you to PLEASE NOT breed your boy until you have more knowledge under your belt.

 

[SpringerLover]

Bellwood/Excalubur Belgians is out your way (they "specialize" in the short coated kind... hah). Also, I would highly recommend doing herding or ring sport, or something maybe in addition to the conformation... Belgians need to do SOMETHING else to set them apart and keep them "real" imo... but then again, that's just my opinion.

OFA is a must, and check out ring sport clubs in your area. I've heard (and seen) that it is tons of fun for both the handler and the dog!

 

[West]

Living in the Dallas/Ft Worth area I can tell you the breed is NOT THAT rare. I have seen quite a few at the shows around here.

Im always looking for them, where do they hang out? We are at the plano/whiterock dog park almost all the time and have only seen one at the park and one at petsmart but they have both been other types

Is there a club or something? Everyone who sees him and knows what he is (which is rare) says they have only heard about them. Is there a local dog forum to dallas?

Thanks to everyone that gave me real answers to my questions.

 

[Sunnierhawk0]

There are alot at the shows, like I said. As far as dog parks, I doubt you would see many there....

I think there is a Dallas B Mal club.... I could be mistaken, but I would bet there is . Try google.

 

[Lizmo]

Didnt expect such snippy responses. Lizmo, you must run the show around here. So I will answer your snipp question first, I dont want to breed. I was thinking about it and came here to ask questions first. Somehow I thought that was a good idea, maybe I was wrong. Just letting my boy do whoever or whatever he wants at his own will just does not seem right. So I ask questions, I hope in the future that is okay with you.

Snippy? It's an honest question you have to ask youself before you breed. In no way was that question I ask you snippy, mean or whatever.

I applaude you for comming here and asking questions first, but from your first post that question was not addressed and it is one of the most important when talking to a new member about this IMO.

This is in no way bashing, we are just gathering infomation about you and your dog. People have given you some great advice.

Now, does your dog's sire and dam have their CH? Ob or Agility or Flyball have no reason for breeding a dog. They need to either have been shown and gotten their Championship title or have working titles. Or both sometimes, it depends on the breed. Do a search here on breeding, you will find TONS of great threads to look at
I recommend that you start looking for a mentor in your breed. Start taking classes in handling and get in the show ring with your pup! That will tell you in about a year if your dog is breeding worthy. Also, get the book "Raising A Champion: A Beginners Guide To Showing Dogs"

And no, I don't run it. I am just a regular member that has learned a lot thanks to people like the ones that are helping you now