Pit Ban in Alabama????

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Ok so every night I faithfully watch the news. Every night, there is a report on a "Vicious Pit Bull Attack." I'm like ok, more ignorance, get used to it. Maybe there are really dog attacks, but everyone by a Pit Bull??? Anyway, today I was watching, and in Gadsden, Alabama, a little boy was almost fatally wounded by... yep, you guessed it, a Pit Bull. They showed the dog and it was the brindle color that a lot of Staffies have. But, I got a good look at the face and it was NOT a Pit or Staffie. Maybe possibly a mix, but not a purebred. So right after that story, they start saying that Gadsden is more than likely going to start registering animals for "insurance reasons."
Hhhmmm... One town in Alabama already does this registering thing. I am so scared it will come where I am in Alabama, and we will have to get rid of Precious. She is Chow and the last time we talked with the insurance company, they asked what kind of dogs we have, and we said we weren't sure what all she was. So we said she resembles a Chow. They just marked her as a Spitz.

Anyway, the point is, if they start cracking down on the Pit Bull and all other "vicious" breeds, my Precious could get taken from me. My grandmother's Staffie away from her. When is this stupidity going to end? I was biting my fingernails today, so worried about my baby getting taken away from me.

Here is a list of the dogs that I know for sure are on the insurance companies' list of dogs that if you own them, you can't be covered:

Great Dane
Rottweiler
Chow
Pit Bull
Staffordshire Terrier
 
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Get involved in the legislative process in your city council.

First of all, most breed specific legislation contains grandfather clauses so that current owners will not need to get rid of their dogs. If it doesn't, then make a stink about it.

Secondly, you can get the media on your side by providing them stories of friendly pit bulls who would have to be put to sleep by shelters if legislation prohibits shelters from adopting out pit mixes.

Third, send in a correction every time you see a dog mislabelled as a pit bull.
 
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These things are so stupid. Especially having Danes on there...puhleeze. In Massachusetts Labs and Goldens are on the list of breeds that bite most. Did you know Chihuahuas are the breed that bite most?
 
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Different insurance companies have different breeds on their list, too. Indiana Mutual canceled my homeowners' policy because of Bimmer - classified as a German Shepherd.

When you find out that a particular insurance company refuses coverages if you have a certain breed of dog, e-mail them or write them about it, then post their name and reply - or the fact that they did NOT reply - on as many appropriate venues as possible. We need to put the pressure back on THEM . . . and what really hurts them is bad publicity and dog people refusing to do business with them. The bottom line is what's vulnerable.
 
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I never really thought about the insurance issue. I should ask my insurance company if they discriminate against any breeds. Although I doubt my Lab is on any hit lists, it would peeve me if I found out that they don't allow certain breeds.
 

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It does depend on the insurance company. I just spoke to my broker this morning because we're thinking of a Dobe and I know they're on some companies' lists. We're okay for now, they don't currently have a policy prohibiting certain dogs. However, with the pit bull ban coming down - that may change.

Apparently the top ones here are:
Pit Bulls
Staffs
Dobes
GSD
Rotties
 

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GSD's are on the list!? :mad: That's stupid. It's stupid that any dog should be on the list.

The list should be like this:

NO IRRESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS THAT GIVE CERTAIN BREEDS A BAD NAME!
 

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BigDog2191 said:
GSD's are on the list!? :mad: That's stupid. It's stupid that any dog should be on the list.

The list should be like this:

NO IRRESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS THAT GIVE CERTAIN BREEDS A BAD NAME!
Amen to that.
 

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That's ridiculous, it's like banning a certain colored hair person in a city because someone with the same color hair did something bad. It's the owner, not the dog. Everyone's heard miraculous stories about the dog being aggressive and turning docile. It's how they're handled, treated, trained, etc
 
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I DO AGREE WITH THE BAN!!!!!! hehe just kidding. i just think its soo stupid, and also ebcause of the "ban" people even got more stupid. This girl was telling me one day that she took her JACK RUSSEL out for a walk and someone called animal control because they thought he was a pitt, so she had to go home and get his papers jsut to prove he's not a pitt. HOW DUMB WAS THAT???? theyre banning a certain kind of animal that they know nothing about!!!!

I strongly believe that it is the owners fault and not the animal. Granted that pitts are known to be "unstable" but it's its nature and we as owners have to control that. My husband used to ahve a pitt and he was freaking awesome, never left my step daughters side especially when she was in bed. she would stay neer her when they went out for walks and even when she was 2 years old she was holding the lease of the pitt. All she knew how to do was to lick people on the face. If you "train" your dog to be caring and treat them really nice (but still show them whos boss) i don't see any threat no matter what the breed is.

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Lara, I have to disagree with you that Pits are known to be unstable. That's really an injustice and is the result of the kind of propaganda put out by the kind of people who sponsor breed specific legislation.

Properly bred Pits are not human aggressive. The thing to watch for with Pits is dog aggression, which is not the reason these bigots are pushing breed specific legislation; they are grossly misinformed and willfully ignorant and WANT to believe that human aggression is a Pit trait. Pits were actually bred to be very affectionate and obedient dogs.

But you are completely correct in stating that it is the fault of the owner - or the breeder in the case of wrong temperament.
 
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lol see there you go, another mis-informed person lol.

I've never owned a pit, so me calling then unstable is probably wrong of me, but what I meant by that was that people usually think (well from conversations I ahve had) that they are unstable thats why i put it in quotes, I probably should have used the word unpredictable instead. ooppss hehe

anyway as I was saying I meant that sentence to be read as even if they do say that the pit's temperment is unpredictable, it's still teh owners responsibility to make sure to socialize the dog so he will be used to be around people and animals as well. because its in teh dogs nature to defend itself and it's owner when it can sense threat. When i said control this is what i meant to say is to socialize them.

I'm sorry i should have explained myself better hehehe.
 

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I would just not tell the insurance what dog I have and, well, lie. Where I live, they don't actually make house visits. I know its not the point of this thread and I totally agree with everyone's points.

My question is, however, is there a reason why these insurance companies know what kind of dog is where? Maybe I'm just being naive. My parents have had shepherds, labs and rotties with no problem. Or most likely not known, lol.
 

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I hate to say this but what do we expect from a nation that as a whole is prejudice angainst black people because they are black, white people because they are white, consider germans "nazis", and the list goes on. Of course there are going to be ignorant people out there. It sucks. Big. We have to do something about it. Sure they aren't people, which is why we need to make such a stink. They can't stand up for themselves. I was floored when I looked on that "which one is a pitbull" website posted in dog jokes/humor. I guessed wrong about 10 times before I got the right one by chance. How can anyone ban a breed that not that many people can identify. Someone the other day thought MY DOG was a pitbull. Come on now. Look at my dog. He's small and fluffy has a docked tail and floppy ears, his nose is long and he's yellow and white. If someone can confuse my aussie with a pitbull then someone can confuse ANYTHING with a pitbull. Write your congressmen. There are a lot of dog bites. Mostly I think due to improper breeding which causes some mental defect or abuse to the dog for a longish time. Dogs were bred to be friends to humans, not to eat them for pity's sake. I guess what I am saying is while it is good to write things here and vent, unless we are writing and calling the people that matter and giving them information that they won't otherwise get then these rash decisions will be made. Personally I adore every breed on those insurance lists. I have had experience with all of them and if I had my way would own all of them and about 14 other dogs (some day...some day :) ) I would hate to see so many beautiful dogs bred with such noble character die because of ignorance. We are still working on human prejudice, lets stop dog prejudice before it gets to that place. rant...off.
 

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Alright. I just joined this message board..Why? because I seen this post. You might not like alot of the things I'm about to say. But oh well.

I for one am for the pit-bull and vicious dog ban in Alabama. I'm from Alabama as well and I have experienced first hand what those dogs can do. and they're ANYTHING but 'precious'. I'll agree that its SOMETIMES the owners fault, only because the owner can't control the dog's natural instinct. but those dogs shouldn't even be considered pets. They are bread as fighting animals. and they fight to the death. They're killers, ok? get it through your heads. You can nurture and pamper them them all you want from the day they're born, that still won't get rid of their natural instinct.

Where do I get off telling you all this? Here's my story. Two of my animals Buddy(goose) and Chance(my 10 year old Dashound) are the victims of this attack. Sadly..our story didn't make it to the news. Money and legal actions were involved afterwards.

Ok, I have alot of animals. 3 dogs 2 cats an iguana and..a goose. Well, I had a goose. Yeah, alot of you are gonna say a goose is a stupid pet, but I raised it from a baby. I loved him. Had him for 5 years. Never had any complaints about him, he never hurt anyone. But he paid an uneeded useless price and is now dead. Killed by a monster(aka pit-bull) on CHRISTMAS EVE of this year.

Oh and there wasn't just one monster. there were two.

about 11:00 on Christmas eve my dogs were barking, making alot of noise and I didn't know why. I looked out the window and a black pitbull had jumped into my goose's pen and..I ran out there screaming, trying to stop it but I was too late. I got out there just in time to see my goose try to fly away..only to be jumped on by the dog and have its neck broken. and instantly he was gone. The dog then stood up there beside Buddy's body..wagging its tail. Proud of what it had done..

Then before I had time to react my little dashound ran out from behind me when he heard all the screaming. He ran down the frount porch stairs and suddenly a huge brown pit-bull appeared from behind a tree, grabbing my dog behind the neck.

Then I finally found the strenght to move, I ran down the stairs and basically jumped on the monster, grabbing his throat, choking him, pulling his ears, punching his head, inhuman screams coming from me I wouldn't have been suprized if the whole neigborhood heard me. But no..no one came. no one was there. No neighbor in sight. My mother came outside a few seconds later when she realized what had happened. By then the dog had dragged Chance, and me, out into the middle of the yard.

She ran to the scene and tried to pull Chance out of the dogs mouth. It wouldn't let go. It already had a death grip on his throat, but he was still alive..So, my mom started beating the dog senseless with her fist, about 50 times in the eye. We stayed in that position for what seemed like forever. But in reality it was maybe about 10 minutes. Me holding on to the dog from behind, holding its neck with all the strenght I had. Keeping it still, preventing it from shaking Chance, one good shake and his neck would have been broken as well..

Finally, after the seeming eturnity of fighting, screaming and horror, someone drove down the street in a big truck, pulled off the road jumped out and grabbed a rake. Started beating the dog with it. The rake teeth even dug into its back, and were yanked back out again. Didn't phase the *******. Had about 5 round holes in its back where the rake had hit him, but he still wouldn't let go. My dog, my best friend was dying. There was blood everywhere. He'd already stopped making noise, his body was motionless. Finally one of out neighbors next door to us came out and was trying to help by getting this big long log of thick wood used to block in a flower-bed, and was also beating the dog, to no avail.

Somehow in the midst of the man helping us the dog pulled away from the 4 of us. Dragging my lifeless dog with him to the next neighbors yard, and under a car. We'd already come to the hopeless conclusion that my dog was dead..and the monster was just going to take him with him, and destroy what was left.

My mother and I were beyond hysterical. Never felt more helpless in our lives. We'd done everything we could to stop this..but it was like a bad dream that we couldn't wake up from. I kept thinking if I scream loud enough, I'll wake up..but no, it was all real. We'd basically lost hope..watching as the men went after the dog, trying to pull it from underneath the car.

Then..something amazing happened. Apparently our next door neigbor picked up a huge rock from the edge of the yard, and threw it at the dogs rib cage. Causing it to finally open its mouth.*We didn't see this happen, but it was told to us after the incedent, in the police report*
I'd had my back turned..then I heard my mother scream 'OH MY GOD!'..It was Chance, alive, actually RUNNING away, back to us. He ran directly to me, wagging his tail. I couldn't beleive it. I thought I was seeing a ghost..He'd held on for that long..or, come back from the dead or something I don't know..but he survived. We don't know how but he did.

So, I ran Chance back inside and tried to clean him off..then he went into some sort shock. I kept him inside and had to run back out in time to see the police had shown up. They already had custody of the brown pit-bull..the other one that had killed Buddy, had dissapeared.

The brown one by then was sitting in the back of a police car. Its eye swollen to the size of a golf-ball. My mother's hand suffered damage while beating the dog as well. Her hand swelled to the size of a grape-fruit.

We filed the police report. But the police said they couldn't do anything to the dogs because they didn't actually 'witness the attack.' What the ****? We'd just went through that and those sons of bitches get off free, when they deserve to die and rot in hell.

..A few hours later, when we'd gotten back from taking Chance to the vet, and my mom to the emergency room to have her hand xrayed, the owner of the dogs actually showed up. Appologizing for everything that had happened. Saying that he'd pay for all the medical and vet bills. and wished he could have done anything to have saved Buddy's life. Damnit, he had to be nice.

Chance had 40 lascerations(cuts) in his neck, and had to do reconstructive surgery on his throat. The same thing they had to do to that poor little boy in Gadsden.

So, the 500 dollar vet-bill was paid. He asked us not to go to the public about it. But since just our attack alone, there have been atleast 4 here in Alabama, if not more. They're banned everywhere else, and euthenized with no questions asked if people are caught with them, because of how dangerous they are. After that day, we'd vowed to have a patition started on a pitt-bull ban..but we didn't get that chance. and really, we didn't have to. There's been so many since then that the people of this state have done it themselves. and I for one am GLAD. Hate me all you want. I'm an animal lover till the end..But I hate those dogs. They're not in the classification of pets. they never should have been.

Because of those monsters, I'll have to live with this memory for the rest of my life. A whole lot of shit has happened in my life already..and then this. It was honestly the worst day of my life. I never thought I'd have a reason to hate Christmas. Now every year I have a reason to dread it.

My mother and I have suffered for what we went through, and so has my dog. It has forever changed us. Nightmares, panic attacks that have lead to mild seziours. And no matter how hard we try there's times where the images play in our heads over and over again.

I warned people around me that adults and children would be next if something wasn't done. And now look. If you people wanna just ignore whats going on, and blame it all on people..go right ahead. But its just going to be more and more tragedy.
 

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RDW,
I am sorry for your experience. But you simply can not generalize the entirety of something like that. My grandmother has a Staffordshire Terrier, often called a "Pit" and she is the most gentle dog I have ever met. She lies down whenever my 5 pound Chihuahua comes over to play and when my little sister is around, she is extremely calm.

Many people just don't know what a Pit Bull looks like. So any dog that has cropped ears, docked tail, large head, etc... is classified as a Pit. I have heard the things on Alabama news. Every attack is classified as a Pit attack, and frankly I don't think those people know what they are talking about.

My brother was stabbed (not fatally, thank God) by a really big group of black people a few months ago, but we still talk to black people. We didn't say, "Hey, all black people are bad people." The same goes for dogs, as silly as that may sound.

When, I tell people that I have a ChowXLab, they give me this look of, "Are you crazy??" Chows have a reputation, sadly, just as Pits do that they are mean and unstable dogs. Maybe some, but at the vet where I work, there was a Dachshound that no one could touch because she was a biter. Should I hate Doxies now?

Everything wrong or right with the dog starts off with the breeder. Selective breeding is the answer. Selective breeding done by the right people, that is. The dogs should have temperament testing, health checks, etc. Love4Pits can tell you more about breeding, but that is a start. Irresponsible breeders took Pits that had attitude problems, and allowed them to continue reproducing, thereby creating some Pits that do have problems. Also, many many people do train them to fight. But, more people do not train them for fighting. Owners have a lot do with what is wrong with the dogs, but the irresponsible, uneducated people that allow dogs with problems to reproduce are at fault also.

All of this info does not only apply to Pit Bulls, but to every dog that has not been evaluated for reproduction, and does have a problem which it will pass onto the puppies.

At work, we were boarding two Pits, and neither was mean or vicious. Both were big babies. Before you say that every dog of a certain breed is bad, think of how many Pit Bulls there actually are in the world. Not every single one is bad.

I am extremely sorry for your experience, and I can't imagine what that could possibly have felt like or could have been like. :( You have my sympathy for what you have gone through. I really am sorry. I am not trying to be rude on this post, I am just trying to better educate you before you miss out on getting to know a Pit that is out there dying to give you some of their love and show you that big smile.
 

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I am sorry as well but being a pitbull owner of three I completely and utterly disagree with you.
Thats like saying all people are exaclty the same killers and crazy. I three of my pitties Zeus, Tundra, and Babe all live and interact with my other dogs. i am a musher and own 15 huskies, 1 alaskan malamute, and 8 Chins. And i have never once in my entire life with these pitbulls had a problem. All three of my pitbulls are spayed or neutered and Zeus my male sleeps in the same bed as my two neices when they spend a weekend here. I also own two cats, a cockatial, and a hamster all of which all my dogs including my Pits are in contact with and with in attack distance of. But do they? No they don't do anything to them not even bark so no not ALL pits are monsters.

My 4 year old male Zeus at this minute as i type this has his head in my lap, my 2 year old brindle female Tundra is cuddled up next to my Mal Pakak on the couch and my white 1 year old female Babe is sleeping in the hall snoring. All three are rescues all three i trust with my life or my other pets or family membors lives.

About the whole breeding Pro is right. Most people who breed pitbulls breed them because their a "bad ass" breed. Not always for fighting but just to have a gangsta kinda dog *rolls eyes*. These people do NOT go about the breeding correctly. Being a Siberian Husky and Chin breeder I can tell you resonsible breeding has to do with the following. Tough temporment tests, health test, careful breeding where the ***** and dog are not left alone together for one second, the long and careful wait and pregnancy of the ***** and the birthing process. The puppies homes should have been found before the ***** and dog are even bred.

Unfortantly you get ALOT of idiot breeders breed for stupid reasons. Because they have the biggest badest dogs around and want to reproduce the biggest and baddest puppies around. I have seen a number of time people trying to sell pups as young as a week old not knowing anything about the weaning process. All these mistakes contribute to a mentally screwed up dog in ANY breed. And FYI Pitbulls are not the only breed bred for fighting but most other who have been have better reps.
 
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sometimes

Renee750il said:
Different insurance companies have different breeds on their list,
sometimes i come to think mans best friend became man's enemy and yes, it depend on your insurance if they covered it. i had ran on a site before check http://www.insurancepaylite.com see different insurance companies policy and price. and choose whats best.
 
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RDW, you are definately confusing human aggression with animal aggression! There is a big difference between the two. Pits were bred to be animal aggressive, not human aggressive.

I have heard about a boxer killing a cat, but does that mean that all boxers are bad? No!
 

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