Other people "correcting" your dogs?
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People out at pet stores (even the one I work at) always want the dogs to sit before taking a treat, for some reason. I can only chuckle when they try and lure Siri into a sit, and she sits there and stares at them like they are stupid.
I tell them to put the treat away and ask her to sit. Then of course she does it immediately and they don't think she's dumb as a box of rocks anymore. I admit, I gloat a little when I tell them she's not used to blatant bribery for food.
I tell them to put the treat away and ask her to sit. Then of course she does it immediately and they don't think she's dumb as a box of rocks anymore. I admit, I gloat a little when I tell them she's not used to blatant bribery for food.
Well in my case, I know Gwen isn't 'trained'. Again, not a dog trainer and I'm just learning, so there are several things she does that she shouldn't... Although that's not with other people, just with me.
I took it as "If you have people over who aren't 'dog friendly' and your dog does something they are allowed to do with you, but the visitor doesn't like it.... Do you mind if they 'correct' the behavior they dislike?"
But it could be a completely different question. It was a bit vague, anyway.
I took it as "If you have people over who aren't 'dog friendly' and your dog does something they are allowed to do with you, but the visitor doesn't like it.... Do you mind if they 'correct' the behavior they dislike?"
But it could be a completely different question. It was a bit vague, anyway.
I don't know if this was directed towards my post as well but I just wanted to add that I personally was speaking hypothetically (minus the one story at my grandma's house where he wasn't doing anything wrong). But I agree, I am always so 'on' with Jackson and he doesn't do anything bad anyway (besides barking at the door and begging, which I always stop both) and it's always my family usually who doesn't care anyway haha. BUT yeah I don't think I'd ever have him in the position for someone else to correct him who is not directly within our family.
lol Siri's sister doesn't know how to sit!!!! Too many other things that I was training and that one just kind of slipped by. However we are now working on it. I have to admit it is pretty funny, she does all kinds of tricks and has solid downs and stays etc. So if folks see her doing everything else I get strange looks when they are told she doesn't know 'sit' lmao.
I don't care as long as people don't get physical. It rarely comes up, but my dogs know their rules, they tend not to listen to people aside from me and immediate family members who have taken time to bond with them (like my dad, but not my mom).
Usually the zois just roll their eyes, and grin like, "oh you silly derp, this is our house." Then they just do whatever they want until someone they respect steps in and says otherwise.
ETA: and they're not allowed to be obnoxious to guests or anything like that. It's usually something like they're cleaning up after the kids when mealtime is over, and somebody who doesn't live here tries to get them to stop. But it's actually something I put on cue because having dogs go in and clean up pancake and syrup bits flung everywhere saves me a lot of work.
Usually the zois just roll their eyes, and grin like, "oh you silly derp, this is our house." Then they just do whatever they want until someone they respect steps in and says otherwise.
ETA: and they're not allowed to be obnoxious to guests or anything like that. It's usually something like they're cleaning up after the kids when mealtime is over, and somebody who doesn't live here tries to get them to stop. But it's actually something I put on cue because having dogs go in and clean up pancake and syrup bits flung everywhere saves me a lot of work.
I've not run into this problem. With Grace, she is pretty much adored by guests young and old, although I still have to keep an eye on her exuberance levels at times. She got pretty nice manners though.
Abby is only really around guests who want to get to know her... and then I am completely in control of the interaction. With others I just put her away. With people she knows she has reasonably good manners except for the bad habit of jumping up into people's laps uninvited, but most of my friends do not care.
I don't expect my guests to want to interact with my dogs.
Abby is only really around guests who want to get to know her... and then I am completely in control of the interaction. With others I just put her away. With people she knows she has reasonably good manners except for the bad habit of jumping up into people's laps uninvited, but most of my friends do not care.
I don't expect my guests to want to interact with my dogs.
Siri knows sit because Megan taught her, I can take no credit :rofl1:
At puppy class one night we were working on moving from a down to a sit, which I thought Siri didn't know. So we were putzing around, working on it and Megan (who was putting her foster in the car at this point) came in and was like "Oh, it's *insert hand signal*" ... ... yeah. I did that hand signal and she went right from a down to a sit. :lol-sign: Yay for multiple trainers!
At puppy class one night we were working on moving from a down to a sit, which I thought Siri didn't know. So we were putzing around, working on it and Megan (who was putting her foster in the car at this point) came in and was like "Oh, it's *insert hand signal*" ... ... yeah. I did that hand signal and she went right from a down to a sit. :lol-sign: Yay for multiple trainers!
This!
Because:
I'm way too anal about my dogs to let them interact with people unless I'm right on top of the situation. The only people who interact with my dogs without me paying OCD attention to everything are my close training friends, and with them, I usually look over to a giant dog in their laps LOL.
I was in Tractor Supply once with Bates and this guy was fascinated with him, following us around the store. Finally I stopped for a chat, and Bates politely sat in front of him and proceeded to make eye contact. The guy said that staring was a sign of dominance (I kid you not) and proceeded to wag his finger in Bates' face while saying "no no". Bates turned to look at me with a "WTF is his problem" look, I shrugged, patted him on the side, told him he was a good boy, and we went about out business.
Because:
I'm way too anal about my dogs to let them interact with people unless I'm right on top of the situation. The only people who interact with my dogs without me paying OCD attention to everything are my close training friends, and with them, I usually look over to a giant dog in their laps LOL.
I was in Tractor Supply once with Bates and this guy was fascinated with him, following us around the store. Finally I stopped for a chat, and Bates politely sat in front of him and proceeded to make eye contact. The guy said that staring was a sign of dominance (I kid you not) and proceeded to wag his finger in Bates' face while saying "no no". Bates turned to look at me with a "WTF is his problem" look, I shrugged, patted him on the side, told him he was a good boy, and we went about out business.
My dogs are perfect angels so it's a moot point.
Lol no. But I don't set up situations where my dogs would even be allowed to be corrected by someone else. If we have a person or two over, they're polite enough that there's not really any reason for there to be an issue... they go say hi, but they don't jump and they're not obnoxious about it, and then I call them to sit by me or tell them to go lay down somewhere. Pretty much they don't even get to interact with the guest.
If lots of people are over (ie holidays), then they're put in my bedroom so I don't even have to worry about it.
I don't want people correcting my dogs, no. But more than that, I don't want to put people in the position where they feel that they HAVE to correct my dogs.
Lol no. But I don't set up situations where my dogs would even be allowed to be corrected by someone else. If we have a person or two over, they're polite enough that there's not really any reason for there to be an issue... they go say hi, but they don't jump and they're not obnoxious about it, and then I call them to sit by me or tell them to go lay down somewhere. Pretty much they don't even get to interact with the guest.
If lots of people are over (ie holidays), then they're put in my bedroom so I don't even have to worry about it.
I don't want people correcting my dogs, no. But more than that, I don't want to put people in the position where they feel that they HAVE to correct my dogs.
:::Raises hand::::!!
Henry is a love slut and wants to try to french kiss anyone sitting on the couch. I consider him well-trained and he will leave them alone when I tell him so, but he has this little gleam in his eye. He can be mildly relentless if the person continues to encourage him with petting or baby talk. So I have instructed close friends and family members to tell him no and to lay down. Works like a charm. He doesn't understand me telling him no and the person still encouraging him. Mixed signals I guess.
I'd like to say my control of him is so ironclad I can prevent this behavior, but honestly it's huge progress for him. He used to be terrified of strangers and not want attention from anyone. So I just manage his extreme loviness instead.
Henry is a love slut and wants to try to french kiss anyone sitting on the couch. I consider him well-trained and he will leave them alone when I tell him so, but he has this little gleam in his eye. He can be mildly relentless if the person continues to encourage him with petting or baby talk. So I have instructed close friends and family members to tell him no and to lay down. Works like a charm. He doesn't understand me telling him no and the person still encouraging him. Mixed signals I guess.
I'd like to say my control of him is so ironclad I can prevent this behavior, but honestly it's huge progress for him. He used to be terrified of strangers and not want attention from anyone. So I just manage his extreme loviness instead.
I hate when people try to give my dogs commands. This happens WAY too often in public with Logan. There's a stupid bitch at Dollar Tree that tells Logan to sit EVERY. ****ING. TIME. we go there. And every time she says "I guess you didn't learn how to sit yet." **** YOU BITCH MY DOG KNOWS HOW TO SIT HE JUST DOESN'T LISTEN TO YOU BECAUSE HE WORKS FOR ME!!! :wall: :wall:
I'd have a serious issue with anyone correcting either of my dogs beyond something like gently moving them off their lap if they were on my couch. Luckily it never really comes up; my dogs aren't outside my control much around other people. Someone at an agility trial today used a vest on top of Meg's crate to cover the front, because she was growling at a dog laying in front of the crate. Maybe that's someone else correcting my dog? I guess I don't consider that a correction. The woman was very polite when she saw me go over to the crate and explained what had happened. I have zero issue with that, and was appreciative. I'd have had an issue if she'd whacked the crate or something.
Essentially, this. If you are a frequent/trusted visitor and I don't feel the need to supervise the dogs 110% when you are around, you can enforce the rules I have for the dogs. If by enforcing that includes "correcting" via tone, body language, etc, then have at it. Just don't do anything I wouldn't do. And if you aren't a frequent visitor, then I will keep my dog(s) in line, because I can't expect you to know the rules and how I enforce them.
And I will bite your head off if you do something to my dog(s) I don't appreciate.
And I will bite your head off if you do something to my dog(s) I don't appreciate.
I don't like it at all, not with the Shiba anyways.
He is not "rude" to people as in jumping or mouthing. He ignores them. Which can be rude to some people... Dogs who jump on me get told off, blocked, or I turn away and do not give them attention. That sort of stuff is alright, but nothing more.
Anyways, I've had random people try to grab the leash from me and yank on my dog's collar when they were walking in front of me. Those "Gotta show them who's boss" types. They get a "correction" to the face.
He is not "rude" to people as in jumping or mouthing. He ignores them. Which can be rude to some people... Dogs who jump on me get told off, blocked, or I turn away and do not give them attention. That sort of stuff is alright, but nothing more.
Anyways, I've had random people try to grab the leash from me and yank on my dog's collar when they were walking in front of me. Those "Gotta show them who's boss" types. They get a "correction" to the face.
I do not allow "corrections" per say, but I think reactions to bad behavior is fine. (people who turn around when my dog jumps on them or touches or barks at them, push him off, shh him etc.. frankly, he shouldn't be doing that anyway and it's MY BAD)
You can of course do something to make him stop whatever he is doing to you that is making you uncomfortable... but a correction involves more than that. A correction is not only trying to make the behavior stop, but trying to teach him something.
No, it's my job to teach him things.
As my guest I consider it in your every right to not want a dog jumping on you or barking at you, fair enough. If it happens, feel free to push him off, tell him to shush, whatever you do to make it stop right away.I should've been there to make sure it didn't happen in the first place.
But any long term corrections (stop him from doing it again, kind of thing)/training things..that's my job. not yours.
I have a friend that came over and Merlin jumped on her before I could stop him and she pushed him off and threw a treat to get him away.
Which IMO is fine.
If she had grabbed his paws and held them (common training thing to get dogs to be scared of jumping up)..that would've been a problem.
You can of course do something to make him stop whatever he is doing to you that is making you uncomfortable... but a correction involves more than that. A correction is not only trying to make the behavior stop, but trying to teach him something.
No, it's my job to teach him things.
As my guest I consider it in your every right to not want a dog jumping on you or barking at you, fair enough. If it happens, feel free to push him off, tell him to shush, whatever you do to make it stop right away.I should've been there to make sure it didn't happen in the first place.
But any long term corrections (stop him from doing it again, kind of thing)/training things..that's my job. not yours.
I have a friend that came over and Merlin jumped on her before I could stop him and she pushed him off and threw a treat to get him away.
Which IMO is fine.
If she had grabbed his paws and held them (common training thing to get dogs to be scared of jumping up)..that would've been a problem.