OMG Wolf/Pit cross

[joce]

mom was pit,best guess is dad was golden so you don;t need to tell me about ti. But look at a breeding program for hybrids,not just saying this is a hybrid and you will see a dominant facial trait and legs in most of them. If I don;t see it then it is not enough of a bit in them to matter because it would show up because it is dominant.So the dog could have some wolf in it but not enough to worry about.

 

[Gempress]

Gempress, I wish you'd post more photos of Odin - maybe in the gallery? He's gorgeous. I've never seen anything marked and colored quite like him. Smkie will have a fit over him

Thank you. I'll see what I can find. I sadly have few photos of him, since my last computer crashed and ate most of them after he passed away. I still feel that he was the most striking, beautiful dog I've ever seen. (Shh...don't tell Zeus).

 

[Renee750il]

Here is another example:
There was this dude who was a client in the animal hospital I worked in. He had a purebred Golden retriever. He found what looked like a black lab mix. She was a female. Before he had her spayed, they "accidentley" bred. The pups all came out looking like golden retrievers. Exactley like golden retrievers. Guess what he sold them as? YOU GOT IT! GOLDEN RETRIEVERS!! Does that make them Goldens?

Mmmph. Don't know what it makes the pups, but we sure know what it makes HIM!

 

[kitcatak]

Here is a picture of my hybrid wolf, Frosty. He was 92% wolf, 8% McKenzie River Husky. Anyway, this picture isn't the greatest (it is a picture of a picture) and he is wet, but you get the point. So what if this dog IS a hybrid? The only hybrid I have ever met that was viscous was 98% wolf and I don't think that had anything to do with it. She just had a bad temperment. Anyway, I had 2 hybrids (I can't find my picture of Twilight) and they were the most mellow animals. They were shy of strangers, but never aggresive. Very, very smart animals too. I don't understand what the problem is. She was willing to take a pit involved in dog fighting, but hesitant over a hybrid? Sounds silly to me!!!

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[rottiegirl]

I thought this web site was very interesting. How to dentify a wolf hybrid... http://www.wolfpark.org/wolfdogs/Poster_section1.html about percentages.... http://www.wolfpark.org/wolfdogs/Poster_section2.html

 

[rottiegirl]

Here is a picture of my hybrid wolf, Frosty. He was 92% wolf, 8% McKenzie River Husky. Anyway, this picture isn't the greatest (it is a picture of a picture) and he is wet, but you get the point. So what if this dog IS a hybrid? The only hybrid I have ever met that was viscous was 98% wolf and I don't think that had anything to do with it. She just had a bad temperment. Anyway, I had 2 hybrids (I can't find my picture of Twilight) and they were the most mellow animals. They were shy of strangers, but never aggresive. Very, very smart animals too. I don't understand what the problem is. She was willing to take a pit involved in dog fighting, but hesitant over a hybrid? Sounds silly to me!!!

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That dog does not look like a high content hybrid. If he was really 92% wolf, you would have had problems with him. If you do some research, you will find that most hybrids are either very low content animals, or even pure dog. High content hybrids are not good house pets.

 

[kitcatak]

If he was really 92% wolf, you would have had problems with him

I don't know how you can say that, since you never met him. You can't generalize and say "you would have had problems with him" BECAUSE he is a high percentage hybrid. I actually had 2 hybrids. Frosty (the one in the picture who was 4 months old at the time) was very wolf-like in attitude and behavior . My other one, Twilight, behaved more like a dog, but she looked more like a wolf (she was 89% wolf). Neither of them made good "house dogs". They hated being indoors so we had no choice but to make them outside dogs. In the links that were posted, Figure 16 was very similar to Frosty as an adult in both picture AND description.

I find it funny that the majority of people on here will defend pitbulls & the like (I have nothing agains ANY breed of dog) but talk about a wolf hybrid and they are the animals from hell. I was friends with the breeders of these animals (yes, they bred hybrids, I think they had about 30 hybrids and only one of them was not approachable and they got her from someone else). I am not going to hijack this thread anymore, since this is not the question asked. I don't think someone should put an animal to sleep because it is/might be a wolf hybrid. It was stated that the animal was "incredibly sweet" so why does it matter what his lineage is?

 

[Saje]

I don't understand where you get those percentages from kitcak and how do you know it's a hybrid? Your friend raised wolves?

 

[rottiegirl]

I don't know how you can say that, since you never met him. You can't generalize and say "you would have had problems with him" BECAUSE he is a high percentage hybrid. I actually had 2 hybrids. Frosty (the one in the picture who was 4 months old at the time) was very wolf-like in attitude and behavior . My other one, Twilight, behaved more like a dog, but she looked more like a wolf (she was 89% wolf). Neither of them made good "house dogs". They hated being indoors so we had no choice but to make them outside dogs. In the links that were posted, Figure 16 was very similar to Frosty as an adult in both picture AND description.

I find it funny that the majority of people on here will defend pitbulls & the like (I have nothing agains ANY breed of dog) but talk about a wolf hybrid and they are the animals from hell. I was friends with the breeders of these animals (yes, they bred hybrids, I think they had about 30 hybrids and only one of them was not approachable and they got her from someone else). I am not going to hijack this thread anymore, since this is not the question asked. I don't think someone should put an animal to sleep because it is/might be a wolf hybrid. It was stated that the animal was "incredibly sweet" so why does it matter what his lineage is?

How do you know that he is such high content? Do you have any proof at all? Most hybrid breeders exaggerate the percentages. I dont have problems with pitbulls, because they are not wild. Wolves are wild, and you cannot tame them. I know that you would have problems with a 92% wolf dog, because I have done my research. I dont have to meet him to tell that he is probably low content. I can tell from his physical characteristics, but thats just my opinion. I suggest you do some research.

 

[kitcatak]

My friends (we lost contact over the years, this was 14 yrs ago) raised HYBRIDS. I can't remember all of the ins and outs anymore, but it is illegal to own a 100% wolf (at least here in Alaska). We knew them for quite a while before actually getting our own (and a lot of research since I knew nothing about hybrids, much less wolves). I had paperwork with their pedigrees (obviously NOT AKC!! lol) At that time it was legal to own hybrids in Anchorage (I don't believe it is any longer, at least without jumping through a lot of hoops). They had Frosty's sire, but for the life of me I can't remember anything about his dam. They truly believed in what they were doing and they gave everything to their animals (they lived in an old trailer with propane heat and only a generator for electricity) There is still a hybrid breeder in the state (Wolf Country USA) but I never heard good things about them. I wish I still had contact with them so I could have them refresh my memory on some things, but I know the percentages of my hybrids were accurate. They were very honest people and they truly believed in the animals they bred.

 

[Saje]

Well how do you know they were hybrids and how do you get that percentage? They just let the bitch out and hoped for the best? What if it bred with a husky and looked wolf? I really don't get it.

And I don't thing the 'majority' of people on here think that hybrids are animals from hell. I know I don't. I've never worked with them though and I doubt many people here have. What I know is that I don't believe in putting any animal to sleep unless it's suffering or beyond repair. And that the hybrids that do exist probably need knowledgable owners.

 

[dogmom72]

Kitkat... that baby looks every bit hybrid to me.. and I've seen more than a few!
Gorgeous!

 

[rottiegirl]

I dont think hybrids are animals from hell either. I just think its too risky to keep one of high percentage. They need very exprienced owners. Most people who have hybrids falsly believe that they have a high percentage animal when they dont. And when they do get their hands on a real high percentage hybrid, they are in for a big surprise!! Too many breeders exaggerate percentages also. Many owners cant handle them, so they just throw them out, or their hybrid becomes aggressive and dangerous. I dont think its worth keeping one.

 

[rottiegirl]

The only hybrid I have ever met that was viscous was 98% wolf and I don't think that had anything to do with it. She just had a bad temperment.

Being over half wolf has nothing to do with it? 98% is pretty much completely wolf. This is what happends when people get high percentage hybrids. They dont train them and treat them properly when they are puppies, and when they get older, they get aggressive. This is why I dont agree with keeping hybrids. People just dont know what they are doing, and they dont know what they are getting into. Too dangerous!

 

[kitcatak]

That hybrid was a puppy. Maybe she would have always been that way and maybe it was because she was a high percentage wolf. I don't know. She is the only 98% I ever met. She died a few months after they had her from bloat. They were never going to sell her, they worked hard to find her. I knew what I was getting when I got my animals. Maybe that is why I had no "problems" with them. I had never owned a dog so I didn't expect them to act like a dog. Twilight did a lot of dog things, but I was always aware they were hybrids. They behaved exactly like I thought they would because I DID research them (back when they were not popular and it was hard to find anything on them).

The things you say can be attributed to any animal. I had friends that had a Rottie. His name was Bear and he was a very big guy! He also was not socialized or trained at all. He pretty much did what he wanted and when. They had rescued a doberman and Bear was so mean to him! Then Bear started lifting his leg on the furniture, in full view of the family. His behavior excalated from there until he actually bit someone and they had him put down. Was it Bears fault? No. His owners didn't take the time to learn how to deal with him and he paid with his life. Owning any dog (hybrids included) is something a lot of people take for granted (although not the people on this forum ). When I got Leo, I considered myself a newbie. I knew having hybrids and having dogs were not the same thing. I have been researching dog behavior, training and feeding ever since.

dogmom72- Thank you! I thought Frosty was gorgeous too!

 

[rottiegirl]

That hybrid was a puppy. Maybe she would have always been that way and maybe it was because she was a high percentage wolf. I don't know. She is the only 98% I ever met. She died a few months after they had her from bloat. They were never going to sell her, they worked hard to find her. I knew what I was getting when I got my animals. Maybe that is why I had no "problems" with them. I had never owned a dog so I didn't expect them to act like a dog. Twilight did a lot of dog things, but I was always aware they were hybrids. They behaved exactly like I thought they would because I DID research them (back when they were not popular and it was hard to find anything on them).

The things you say can be attributed to any animal. I had friends that had a Rottie. His name was Bear and he was a very big guy! He also was not socialized or trained at all. He pretty much did what he wanted and when. They had rescued a doberman and Bear was so mean to him! Then Bear started lifting his leg on the furniture, in full view of the family. His behavior excalated from there until he actually bit someone and they had him put down. Was it Bears fault? No. His owners didn't take the time to learn how to deal with him and he paid with his life. Owning any dog (hybrids included) is something a lot of people take for granted (although not the people on this forum ). When I got Leo, I considered myself a newbie. I knew having hybrids and having dogs were not the same thing. I have been researching dog behavior, training and feeding ever since.

dogmom72- Thank you! I thought Frosty was gorgeous too!

Yes, any breed can become aggressive if they are not trained properly, but you have to put much more effort into training a hybrid. 98% wolf is very high! I dont think a wolf dog of that percentage should ever be trusted.

 

[rottiegirl]

Kitcat, what age did you get frosty at, and what color was he? Has he always been that light in color?

 

[Zoom]

Rottie, you have never met this hybrid and it sounds like you have never met *any* hybrids at all. So stop making blanket statements about a canine you know nothing about. If Kitcatak know what she was getting into and did her research before hand and had the real-life resources to consult, then I think Frosty and Twilight were exactly what she said they were: high percentage hybrids. It does not sound to me like she just threw them in the back and left them at that, so it's more than possible that her hybrids were the mellow, well-adjusted paramount that everyone romanticizes about.

Not to mention the fact that I keep thinking back to your beginning statments about pits...and now you're a champion for them...

Reading something in a book and seeing/doing the same thing in real life are most times two totally different senarios. Otherwise, the world would be full of awesome trainers, kung-fu masters and Uber Terrorists.

 

[rottiegirl]

Rottie, you have never met this hybrid and it sounds like you have never met *any* hybrids at all. So stop making blanket statements about a canine you know nothing about. If Kitcatak know what she was getting into and did her research before hand and had the real-life resources to consult, then I think Frosty and Twilight were exactly what she said they were: high percentage hybrids. It does not sound to me like she just threw them in the back and left them at that, so it's more than possible that her hybrids were the mellow, well-adjusted paramount that everyone romanticizes about.

Not to mention the fact that I keep thinking back to your beginning statments about pits...and now you're a champion for them...

Reading something in a book and seeing/doing the same thing in real life are most times two totally different senarios. Otherwise, the world would be full of awesome trainers, kung-fu masters and Uber Terrorists.

I have met a few hybrids, and my grandmother owns one. Why does it sound like I have never met one? I am guessing that you havent done any research on hybrids at all. She claims that he is 92% and I highly doubt that. I am not saying that he is pure dog. Its just very unlikely that he is such a high percentage wolf dog. If he was really 92%, he would have more wolf characteristics. My statement about her hybrid being low percentage is just my opinion. By the way... I can state my opinion if I want.

 

[Saje]

You can Rottie but you always manage to state your opinion and accuse everyone else of being ignorant.