OMFG Stud request... look at this inbred pedigree

[vomdominus]

I've only given my dog's service out one time to a dog other than my own, and it was to a bitch who was, admittedly, better than mine. However, I always have my eyes open for another awesome bitch to continue my lines, and I occasionally get requests for stud services.

I got a new request, and when I asked for the normal info (titles, pedigree, OFA, ect) all I got was an AKC pedigree. And oh, what a pedigree it was.

image edited for privacy reasons.

What is wrong with the world today? How can people breed dogs with pedigrees like this? WHY?! This is sick!

Needless to say, my boy won't be making a deposit at her bank.

 

[iheartsammy]

WTF? I would try to count how many, but I find it hard o.o

that's just insane

 

[Romy]

There are so many wreaths on that family tree, it's making me dizzy. What the heck were they trying to do? Save money on stud fees by breeding available relatives? Weird.

What percent inbred is she anyway? I can't even do the math right now. No wonder some lines have gone to crap.

 

[vomdominus]

There are so many wreaths on that family tree, it's making me dizzy. What the heck were they trying to do? Save money on stud fees by breeding available relatives? Weird.

What percent inbred is she anyway? I can't even do the math right now. No wonder some lines have gone to crap.

BYB at it's worst. The only thing I could imagine for why someone would do this on purpose is because they're trying to isolate some specific trait, but what it is that's so valuable that they couldn't do it with four/ and five/ linebreeding is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Romy]

Maybe they're trying to isolate the mystical gene for shooting mind bullets....more efficient at taking down criminals that way. Who needs good hips and elbows when you've got mind bullets!

 

[ACooper]

Oh man! They bred 1/2 siblings to get Angel's little striker, and THEN bred him to his MOTHER.........ACK! My eyes are still crossing and head spinning trying to see what other connections I missed!

Don't know a heck of a lot about breeding...........but :yikes:

From the lack of even the most basic titles on that Pedigree.........I would HIGHLY doubt they know anything of breeding and were DEFINITELY not attempting line breeding, just throwing the dogs they had access to together

 

[Dekka]

Why does the AKC allow this? Why would you issue registration to people who breed like this?

The JRT club only allows a small amount of line breeding (I forget what the % is). Seems sensible to me.

 

[Lilavati]

That's just . . . WOW . . . its scary.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

A pedigree bred in this manner does not automatically mean the dog is from clueless individuals.

However, considering the lack of publicly available health testing on the dog in the pedigree, I would expect that IS the case in this instance.

Line and inbreeding are useful tools in the hands of experienced breeders, even pedigrees as close as this. The end result is only as good or as bad as the dogs who are gone in on.

JMO as always.

 

[bubbatd]

No testing is sure a red flag to me !!

 

[smkie]

I was wondering why the AKC allows this as well. Looks like a lot of cancer and other health issues in the future for these poor dogs.

 

[bubbatd]

Agree ! AKC is supposed to watch for these things !

 

[ACooper]

Agree ! AKC is supposed to watch for these things !

Are they? I always thought the AKC was really nothing more than a family tree/title record as far as Pedigrees were concerned.

That is NOT a sarcastic or rude statement........it's truly what I have always thought. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong........I don't mind learning something new

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

AKC registers dogs. They don't monitor breeding decisions.

Inbreeding does not guarantee health issues.

 

[corgi_love]

That's just sick. Very sick. And we wonder why some breeds have such bad health problems. *sigh*

I wish the AKC would get off it's butt and start doing something. I mean, I like the AKC and all, but they could at least be decent enough and hire a team to try and crack down on this kind of thing and BYB's using "AKC Regged puppies" as a 'good reason' to buy puppies from them. I just don't understand I guess.

 

[smkie]

http://www.netpets.com/dogs/reference/genetics/inbreeda.html

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

You can find information to scare you to death about closer breedings.

The fact remains that in most breeds with a reasonable gene pool, closer breedings are a way to set type and temperament while working towards eliminating health issues in the hands of an educated and skilled breeder.

It is pretty clear that the owner of the GSD bitch in question here is not one of the above. That does not make closer breedings any less of an excellent tool to create very good dogs in the right hands.

 

[OutlineACDs]

I agree completely with Red. AKC registers dogs. It isn't their job to keep idiots from being idiots. Some ver close linebreeding and *gasp* even inbreedings are done by people who know what they are doing to stamp type and even health. Inbreeding does not gurantee that a dog will be anything, healthy, unhealthy, crazy, what have you. Line breeding and inbreeding are valuable tools for a breeder who knows the full background and pedigree of each dog.

 

[Zoom]

Agree...depending on why it was done, this cross could have locked in some specific traits and they are now looking to outcross to see if those traits will hold. A breeder I knew taught me a bit about line-breeding and she did a couple close crosses to cement some traits, then broadened things out. Her dogs are amazing and pretty healthy from what I understand.

 

[Miakoda]

A pedigree bred in this manner does not automatically mean the dog is from clueless individuals.

However, considering the lack of publicly available health testing on the dog in the pedigree, I would expect that IS the case in this instance.

Line and inbreeding are useful tools in the hands of experienced breeders, even pedigrees as close as this. The end result is only as good or as bad as the dogs who are gone in on.

JMO as always.

I agree.

Inbreeding and linebreeding can be very useful and can produce great results IF the breeder a) knows genetics and b) knows his/her dogs' peds in great detail and c) knows & acknowledges the strengths & weaknessess of the dogs AND d) is NOT afraid to cull.

My opinion on it is if you are getting more bad characteristics than good, or just too many negative ones, then you need to provide an out. Otherwise, do what is working for you.