Obama Supports Same-Sex Marriage
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I fully disagree and despise being governed by religion. I am not homosexual, but believe it should be your choice who to marry through a non-religious entity, not "God's". I don't recognize the existence of God, and since the existence of God is not tangible and cannot be proven without a doubt, I should not be expected to obey "his" law.
I will stand up for your right to disagree with me though.
I will stand up for your right to disagree with me though.
This is a FABULOUS post by a very well-regarded gay Christian blogger about the NC amendment.
http://gcnjustin.tumblr.com/post/22710725963/a-challenge-to-both-sides-of-the-amendment-one-debate
Edit: And one of my all time favorite Christian bloggers often writes on the church and the GLBT community and how we're royally screwing up (and how we can do better).
http://rachelheldevans.com/topics?tags=homosexuality
http://gcnjustin.tumblr.com/post/22710725963/a-challenge-to-both-sides-of-the-amendment-one-debate
Edit: And one of my all time favorite Christian bloggers often writes on the church and the GLBT community and how we're royally screwing up (and how we can do better).
http://rachelheldevans.com/topics?tags=homosexuality
Yes they are doing more than just being gay. They had this child (not through adoption or sperm donor actually) as a rebellion without being at all prepared to take care of him. They don't teach him or do anything with him. They just treat him like a play thing. It was OBVIOUS early on that this child was autistic but no matter what anyone said they just kept saying "he doesn't need intervention. People should just let him be who he is". Now he is almost 5 years old and suffering greatly. He is not this way because they are gay but their desire to be rebellious is why he was birn while they were ill equipped and the whole "let him be who he is and don't try to change him" comes from the same place. Refusal to get him help he desperately needed stems from The same.
As for the quote... The old testament has already been addressed in this thread. I suggest you go back and read what that means. I have had Jehovahs witnesses come to my door. I am kind to them... They are my elders so I treat them with respect even though I disagree with them. I try to treat everyone the same ... Even gay people. Idon't agree with them but I treat them with respect.
As for the quote... The old testament has already been addressed in this thread. I suggest you go back and read what that means. I have had Jehovahs witnesses come to my door. I am kind to them... They are my elders so I treat them with respect even though I disagree with them. I try to treat everyone the same ... Even gay people. Idon't agree with them but I treat them with respect.
And that sucks. Royally. But they aren't doing that because they're gay, they're doing that because they're horrible parents. I have several kids in my classes whose parents are refusing to get them the help they need, and it's not because mom and dad are gay. It's because zillions of people in this world are crappy parents.
I am aware of crappy parents everywhere 
. Breaks my heart all around. This case just hurts because it's family and the whole reason for his being is because they wanted to be the rebellious gay couple. Don't get me wrong. He is a beautiful and sweet boy but he doesn't deserve to be a status symbol. Now they aren't even a couple and are fighting over him and sister in law has no rigts to him because they didn't want her to "adopt" him so they could get welfare for him and BE room mates on paper so they could do that and get the welfare. Again not a strictly " gay" thing but someone asked if they were doung more than just being gay so i answered
. Breaks my heart all around. This case just hurts because it's family and the whole reason for his being is because they wanted to be the rebellious gay couple. Don't get me wrong. He is a beautiful and sweet boy but he doesn't deserve to be a status symbol. Now they aren't even a couple and are fighting over him and sister in law has no rigts to him because they didn't want her to "adopt" him so they could get welfare for him and BE room mates on paper so they could do that and get the welfare. Again not a strictly " gay" thing but someone asked if they were doung more than just being gay so i answered
This sums it up for me. Well I was trying to say it in my last post but it didn't come like that.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T DO IT!
I am very glad I made you laugh, birthday lady!
I might get flamed for this but here goes:
I believe this.
Do I think it makes me a bad Christian? NO. Others might think otherwise. But oh well.
I read the Bible quite a bit when I was younger, but not so much since I got older. I believe in the Bible, itself, no doubt. I just don't "get" (ok that might not be the right word but that's all I got right now) it per say because God, Himself did not write it.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T DO IT!
Dak, you are a little ray of sunshine
Thanks for a good giggle on a day when there have been very, very few. <3
Thanks for a good giggle on a day when there have been very, very few. <3
I might get flamed for this but here goes:
I believe this.
Do I think it makes me a bad Christian? NO. Others might think otherwise. But oh well.
I read the Bible quite a bit when I was younger, but not so much since I got older. I believe in the Bible, itself, no doubt. I just don't "get" (ok that might not be the right word but that's all I got right now) it per say because God, Himself did not write it.
Yes. They did not have the child becaues they wanted one. They had Cosmo because they wanted to say "F-U" to my parents. The poor kid has been dealt a crappy hand because his parents are using him to further an agenda.
Oh, if only people would read the Bible with an open mind and look for the CONTEXT. Read verses 1 - 6 and think about it again. WHY was God commanding the Israelites to kill? Verses 2 and 3 are the key.
I think we have already covered that it is easy to cherry pick scripture to suit our needs. But you need to read and understand it as a WHOLE, in context.
Oh, if only people would read the Bible with an open mind and look for the CONTEXT. Read verses 1 - 6 and think about it again. WHY was God commanding the Israelites to kill? Verses 2 and 3 are the key.
I think we have already covered that it is easy to cherry pick scripture to suit our needs. But you need to read and understand it as a WHOLE, in context.
Sorry Cali. You don't get to decide this. I KNOW my sister and her partner. She is MY sister. I know them very well. It is obvious to anyone who knows them, even people who think like you, why they had that kid. They did it because they are gay and want to make a point.
The kid is almost 5 and can barely talk. He is probably big time autistic and eligible for all the free goodies goverment gives people like that. Do they do it? NOPE. Because they are "I am gay, hear me roar, I don't need anybody."
Sorry, but you don't get to wash this away. I'll bet there are a LOT more couples out there like them too. I've met a lot of angry, "gay", people.
The kid is almost 5 and can barely talk. He is probably big time autistic and eligible for all the free goodies goverment gives people like that. Do they do it? NOPE. Because they are "I am gay, hear me roar, I don't need anybody."
Sorry, but you don't get to wash this away. I'll bet there are a LOT more couples out there like them too. I've met a lot of angry, "gay", people.
FWIW, WAY back to the OP.
Obama's statment was a politically expedient one, forced by his moron of a VP. If not for crazy Joe, Obama never comes out on this topic and we don't have this epic debate. This link is one of MANY.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-to-obama-for-forcing-gay-marriage-issue.html
Obama is a FRAUD. Just like any politician. Bush is an idiot. What is Obama if he chooses to SURROUND himself with idiots?
"Show me your friends, ill you your future."
Obama's statment was a politically expedient one, forced by his moron of a VP. If not for crazy Joe, Obama never comes out on this topic and we don't have this epic debate. This link is one of MANY.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-to-obama-for-forcing-gay-marriage-issue.html
Obama is a FRAUD. Just like any politician. Bush is an idiot. What is Obama if he chooses to SURROUND himself with idiots?
"Show me your friends, ill you your future."
No, of course not. I wouldn't call child services on a kid who complained about gay parents or straight parents either, unless I had cause to believe the child was being harmed in some way.
My point is, your sister made a bad choice for poor reasons. In her case, it was because she's gay. But to then extrapolate that gay marriages are bad for society/children/the people in them based on 1 case (which is what I gathered from what you were saying--otherwise I'm not sure why it mattered that your gay sister was doing a crummy job raising her kid) is quite the stretch.
Being gay doesn't force anyone to do anything.
My point is, your sister made a bad choice for poor reasons. In her case, it was because she's gay. But to then extrapolate that gay marriages are bad for society/children/the people in them based on 1 case (which is what I gathered from what you were saying--otherwise I'm not sure why it mattered that your gay sister was doing a crummy job raising her kid) is quite the stretch.
Being gay doesn't force anyone to do anything.
The kids are always the ones who suffer when parents have them for the wrong reasons. My aunt got pregnant to convince her husband to marry her. It worked, and over the years she had a second child. The kids were not really interacted with other than being yelled at. The youngest had/has some developmental issues that were never dealt with. In elementary school their parents stopped bathing them and washing their clothes regularly. Eventually after more neglect the kids were taken out of the home and put into foster care. The oldest got into trouble with the law, ended up in juvy, after juvy ended up hooked on heroine. He went through rehab, got clean, but eventually everything apparently became too much for him and he took his own life at 19. He is survived by his younger sister, who has several development disorders, has been bounced around to several foster homes, and is one very lost and lonely girl. He brother's funeral was the first time she had seen her father in 6 years.
My aunt and her ex were crappy parents, plain and simple. I doubt their sexual orientation had anything to do with it.
My aunt and her ex were crappy parents, plain and simple. I doubt their sexual orientation had anything to do with it.