Human rights come from humans who also had no issue keeping slaves and still let rapists get away with it but we put more stock in humans determining rights?
Yes I do because as a rational, thinking person I am willing to look at alternate views and reconsider my convictions based on the facts and evidence presented. Much as we no longer think women are lesser citizens and should not be allowed to vote, just as we no longer think racial segregation is a good idea, much as we no longer think that forcing a 13 year old girl to marry a man in his 50’s is a good idea, much as we no longer think that sacrificing a goat at an altar will convince some deity to keep natural disasters at bay.
If the bible is the word of God, then God gives directives for keeping slaves and when to offer up your virgin daughters to be raped, so it seems to me that God doesn’t have much of an issue with either. Not to mention it didn’t even come up in the commandments. Don’t say his name with a bad attitude came up, don’t have any other gods came up, don’t wish you had your neighbor’s donkey came up, but don’t enslave people of other races or beliefs wasn’t covered, don’t rape young women of different races or beliefs wasn’t covered. Seem to me that if he had room on those tablets to mention how we should say his name, he might have slipped in something about not raping or enslaving.
Now we could also argue that the bible is not the word of God but man’s interpretation of the word of who man interprets to be God but that would kind of complicate things if you’re trying to use the bible as a superior moral code.
If humans made the rights than humans can take them away. No matter WHAT their reasoning (religious or otherwise)... As humans we have the right to take away rights because we gave them?
Gosh I hope we have the right to take away rights! If you drive drunk you lose your right to drive a vehicle. If you show up at school and shoot the place up you lose your right to bear arms. If you prey on little children you lose your right to your pursuit of happiness and you lose your liberties.
I have some points to make on biblical side of things but I am typing from my phone so I will make them tomorrow from the computer...
Just so you know, I have read the bible extensively, I have studied the bible, as well as other religious texts. I’m not trying to be disrespectful to your religion nor trying to make you defensive.
I don’t have an argument with you, I don’t have an argument with your beliefs... I have an argument with those beliefs being imposed upon me and my children through the guise of government.
Our founding fathers were *very* clear on separation of church and state and I don’t think some of our current legislators understand that part at all. The church has NO place in the running of our country. Personally I don’t even like the fact that churches don’t pay taxes. I think that is ridiculous.
“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.†~Thomas Jefferson
“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.†~ also Jefferson.
George Mason was the author of the Virginia declaration of rights and he and Jefferson corresponded extensively.
"That as Religion, or the Duty which we owe to our divine and omnipotent Creator, and the Manner of discharging it, can be governed only by Reason and Conviction, not by Force or Violence; and therefore that all Men shou'd enjoy the fullest Toleration in the Exercise of Religion, according to the Dictates of Conscience, unpunished and unrestrained by the Magistrate,
unless, under Colour of Religion, any Man disturb the Peace, the Happiness, or Safety of Society, or of Individuals. And that it is the mutual Duty of all, to practice Christian forbearance, Love and Charity towards Each other.†~George Mason in one draft of the Virginia declaration of rights. (Emphasis mine.)
IOW practice whatever religion you wish, just don’t impose your religion on me.