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That is not necessarily true. How many times to we read about "100 pound pitbulls" who've mauled somebody? And frequently, those dogs are running together in a pack, something the drivey little gamedogs can't do. All signs point to folks breeding for emphasized physical traits and lack of DA as the ruination of the breed, IMO.
Chain weight is used to refer when a dog is just fed and lightly exercised. Conditioned weight is when a dog is toned and fit and ready for show or hunting or whatever.
For example, whenever we go hog hunting, if it's been awhile, I put the dogs in a conditioning program to get their bodies ready.
Basically "chain weight" is like an athlete in the off-season and "conditioned" is an athlete in the middle of the season.
For example, whenever we go hog hunting, if it's been awhile, I put the dogs in a conditioning program to get their bodies ready.
Basically "chain weight" is like an athlete in the off-season and "conditioned" is an athlete in the middle of the season.
Originally Posted by MrPitBull
Redyre, yes, that is me in the Avatar.
Darkchild, nice looking dogs you got there. I would like to point out if I may, that you are overlooking three facts:
1) All of my dogs are registered with the UKC as "American Pitbull Terriers".
And paper hanging is nothing new. I could easily breed my Olde English Bulldogge to one of my American Pit Bull Terriers and lie to the registry and use the registration number from one of my other males APBTs to register the resulting puppies. You see how easy that is? Just because someone says it is doesn't mean it is. Registries only care about your money; they do not care one iota about the quality of dogs they are registering.
Miakoda.... you sure seem to know alot about paper hanging, lol! While what you have stated is correct in many cases I'm sure......I wonder exactly what your point is with this statement and what this has to
do with Mr.PitBulls dogs?
2) When a ban is placed on "Pit Bulls" in any given community, guess what my dogs are considered to be by any law enforcement or governmental agency? "Pit Bulls"!
So are Boxers, American Bulldogs, Bull Mastiffs, and in fact any dogs weighing between 30 lbs and 130 lbs with short fur and a muscular build. In fact, I got that wording from Denver's government definition of a "pit bull." Again, just because someone says your dog is something, doesn't mean it is.
Here again, while this statement may be in some ways
true depending on ones point of view the fact of the matter is Mr. PitBulls
dogs are in fact Pit Bulls selectively bred to look the way they look. I happen
to work as a pet trainer in a very popular pet store in which place they are trying to ban the Pit Bull, not the Boxer, American Bulldog, Bull Mastiff and or
any other short haired dog weighing 30lbs and 130lbs with short fur and a muscular build, in fact recently I was told that I could bring in a Staffordshire Bull terrier which is like a smaller version of the American Staffordshire Terrier (Staffordshire Terrier is the AKC name for the Pit Bull registered with this registry) And as far as just because someone says your dog is something and this not meaning that it is .......well....... OK.....lol You have your very strong opinions and in your world perhaps an opinion is a fact.
3) Anyone who knows anything about the "Bully Style" dogs, knows they do not have the same drive and tenacity as your version of the breed.
Meaning they have such a poor musculoskeletal build that any kind of athletic activity is hard for the dog to accomplish and it has no stamina. As for tenactiy, it won't have gameness, but that's illegal to test for anyways these days so that's a moot point. In terms of dog aggression, it still exists with those dogs as does an increased chance of HA thanks to idiots who use the ginormous dogs as penis extensions and reputation builders. Not to mention anytime you cross 2 or more different breeds you never know what you are going to get in terms of temperament.
Therefore, it is not the Bully Style dogs as you claim, that are giving the dogs a bad rap.
So explain the 2 85-90 lb blue dogs that killed the Fabish kid. Or the 130 lb rednosed "pit bull that killed a 3-yr-old girl. B/c those dogs sure as hell aren't APBTs.
And if you want to go into what is causing BSL, I'd be more than happy to start a new thread. But to make it short and swee, "pit bull" owners breeding numerous litters of completely out-of-standard dogs and selling to the first person to give them cash (or credit card number) and those who think dog parks and just running loose in the front yard are ok are the ones responsible for BSL.
How many people would love to argue with what you are doing (owning "killer" pitbulls)? Is is not enough that we have to fight BSL and those with uninformed prejudices, that we have to fight among ourselves?
Who do you think is responsible for BSL?! "Pit Bull" owners are 100% responsible for nationwide BSL. Sure the media and general public have begun a "kill them all' campaign, but that's only because ignorant, foolish, and downright greedy and stupid "pit bull' owners have given them reason to do so.
So I most definitely fight against those "pit bull" owners who are sending the law to MY door looking to kill MY dogs.
Your dogs are beautiful, and I wish you and them the best.
My replies in red.
Now this last comment...I can relate to on some points,
However I will say that the dog being a "Bully style APBT or your standard APBT doesn't have nearly as much to do with these unfortunate events as it does the ignorant Novice Bully owner who doesn't take the time to know his/her breed and care for a good dog and do his/her part to raise a healthy happy pet or the other idiot who wants a killer dog
and continues to blemish the breeds reputation even more!
I too have chose this "Bully Style APBT" over your standard APBT and I am
quite pleased with my dogs, as far as them being deformed, true there are some dogs of this style that are way deformed but who will stop these people from breeding them? not you....and surely not I..... a person is gonna do what a person is gonna do and all we can do is try to reach out in a positive manner to help educate these parties if possible about what is acceptible and what is not in the breed guide lines....and even then one must
realize that time moves forward and with it comes change....
I would love some constructive criticism on my site and my dogs as well....
so here you go : www.theincredibulls.net : have at it because we all live and
we learn and I certainly enjoy learning everyday of my life.
My replies in Blue
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Originally Posted by Renee750il
Quote:
Trouble is, then you get all excited, can't hold it, and, like puppies, piddle all over yourselves
Redyre, yes, that is me in the Avatar.
Darkchild, nice looking dogs you got there. I would like to point out if I may, that you are overlooking three facts:
1) All of my dogs are registered with the UKC as "American Pitbull Terriers".
And paper hanging is nothing new. I could easily breed my Olde English Bulldogge to one of my American Pit Bull Terriers and lie to the registry and use the registration number from one of my other males APBTs to register the resulting puppies. You see how easy that is? Just because someone says it is doesn't mean it is. Registries only care about your money; they do not care one iota about the quality of dogs they are registering.
Miakoda.... you sure seem to know alot about paper hanging, lol! While what you have stated is correct in many cases I'm sure......I wonder exactly what your point is with this statement and what this has to
do with Mr.PitBulls dogs?
2) When a ban is placed on "Pit Bulls" in any given community, guess what my dogs are considered to be by any law enforcement or governmental agency? "Pit Bulls"!
So are Boxers, American Bulldogs, Bull Mastiffs, and in fact any dogs weighing between 30 lbs and 130 lbs with short fur and a muscular build. In fact, I got that wording from Denver's government definition of a "pit bull." Again, just because someone says your dog is something, doesn't mean it is.
Here again, while this statement may be in some ways
true depending on ones point of view the fact of the matter is Mr. PitBulls
dogs are in fact Pit Bulls selectively bred to look the way they look. I happen
to work as a pet trainer in a very popular pet store in which place they are trying to ban the Pit Bull, not the Boxer, American Bulldog, Bull Mastiff and or
any other short haired dog weighing 30lbs and 130lbs with short fur and a muscular build, in fact recently I was told that I could bring in a Staffordshire Bull terrier which is like a smaller version of the American Staffordshire Terrier (Staffordshire Terrier is the AKC name for the Pit Bull registered with this registry) And as far as just because someone says your dog is something and this not meaning that it is .......well....... OK.....lol You have your very strong opinions and in your world perhaps an opinion is a fact.
3) Anyone who knows anything about the "Bully Style" dogs, knows they do not have the same drive and tenacity as your version of the breed.
Meaning they have such a poor musculoskeletal build that any kind of athletic activity is hard for the dog to accomplish and it has no stamina. As for tenactiy, it won't have gameness, but that's illegal to test for anyways these days so that's a moot point. In terms of dog aggression, it still exists with those dogs as does an increased chance of HA thanks to idiots who use the ginormous dogs as penis extensions and reputation builders. Not to mention anytime you cross 2 or more different breeds you never know what you are going to get in terms of temperament.
Therefore, it is not the Bully Style dogs as you claim, that are giving the dogs a bad rap.
So explain the 2 85-90 lb blue dogs that killed the Fabish kid. Or the 130 lb rednosed "pit bull that killed a 3-yr-old girl. B/c those dogs sure as hell aren't APBTs.
And if you want to go into what is causing BSL, I'd be more than happy to start a new thread. But to make it short and swee, "pit bull" owners breeding numerous litters of completely out-of-standard dogs and selling to the first person to give them cash (or credit card number) and those who think dog parks and just running loose in the front yard are ok are the ones responsible for BSL.
How many people would love to argue with what you are doing (owning "killer" pitbulls)? Is is not enough that we have to fight BSL and those with uninformed prejudices, that we have to fight among ourselves?
Who do you think is responsible for BSL?! "Pit Bull" owners are 100% responsible for nationwide BSL. Sure the media and general public have begun a "kill them all' campaign, but that's only because ignorant, foolish, and downright greedy and stupid "pit bull' owners have given them reason to do so.
So I most definitely fight against those "pit bull" owners who are sending the law to MY door looking to kill MY dogs.
Your dogs are beautiful, and I wish you and them the best.
My replies in red.
Now this last comment...I can relate to on some points,
However I will say that the dog being a "Bully style APBT or your standard APBT doesn't have nearly as much to do with these unfortunate events as it does the ignorant Novice Bully owner who doesn't take the time to know his/her breed and care for a good dog and do his/her part to raise a healthy happy pet or the other idiot who wants a killer dog
and continues to blemish the breeds reputation even more!
I too have chose this "Bully Style APBT" over your standard APBT and I am
quite pleased with my dogs, as far as them being deformed, true there are some dogs of this style that are way deformed but who will stop these people from breeding them? not you....and surely not I..... a person is gonna do what a person is gonna do and all we can do is try to reach out in a positive manner to help educate these parties if possible about what is acceptible and what is not in the breed guide lines....and even then one must
realize that time moves forward and with it comes change....
I would love some constructive criticism on my site and my dogs as well....
so here you go : www.theincredibulls.net : have at it because we all live and
we learn and I certainly enjoy learning everyday of my life.
My replies in Blue
__________________
Originally Posted by Renee750il
Quote:
Trouble is, then you get all excited, can't hold it, and, like puppies, piddle all over yourselves
First, paper hanging is no laughing matter. Second, you might want to think twice about who you begin to accuse of such asinine acts. (& for the record, I don't breed to peddle puppies like some other who has posted in this thread so paper hanging wouldn't do me any good, now would it.) And third, look at all the idiots and fools involved in paper hanging. It doesn't take a genius. It only takes someone smart enough to cheat the system to boost their profit margins.
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I agree. However the OP of this thread basically said that blame lies with the true APBT. I was responding to that statement.
This is what I have a hard time grasping and others have a hard time understanding. There are NO "styles of APBT"! There is only ONE APBT and it already has a breed standard and that breed standard is set in stone! You have a bully style dog, but unless a dog is bred true to the APBT standard, it's not an APBT. It's just someone riding the historical name of a breed because it sounds better than the alternative.
Education is the key. But we don't need the blind leading the blind. Too many well-intentioned people have picked up the fight yet they are spewing falsehoods and misconceptions that still only hurt the dogs.
I've spent approx. 15 years of my life devoted to this breed. I've got boxes full on non-publicated material from the olden days relating to the APBT. I've got a bookshelf full of nothing but books on the APBT. I've traveled to shows and talked to hundreds of people including dogmen. I've devoted my life to the APBT and my dogs have returned that devotion in ways I cannot even fathom.
And I lost a dog due to some trigger happy fool who still probably doesn't regret what he did despite the legal consequences.
So while I respect your opinion, I ask the same of mine. And yes, I will continue to fight on opposite sides of "pit bull well-wishers" who stand up and state "it's all in how you raise them" and "there are no bad dogs, just bad owners" and "you can train your dog to not be dog aggressive" and "I own 3 different types of APBT........". We cannot afford to duck our heads, tuck our tails, and let the lies be spread. Speak the truth and nothing but the truth. And let your actions speak louder than those words.
This is what I have a hard time grasping and others have a hard time understanding. There are NO "styles of APBT"! There is only ONE APBT and it already has a breed standard and that breed standard is set in stone! You have a bully style dog, but unless a dog is bred true to the APBT standard, it's not an APBT. It's just someone riding the historical name of a breed because it sounds better than the alternative.
Education is the key. But we don't need the blind leading the blind. Too many well-intentioned people have picked up the fight yet they are spewing falsehoods and misconceptions that still only hurt the dogs.
I've spent approx. 15 years of my life devoted to this breed. I've got boxes full on non-publicated material from the olden days relating to the APBT. I've got a bookshelf full of nothing but books on the APBT. I've traveled to shows and talked to hundreds of people including dogmen. I've devoted my life to the APBT and my dogs have returned that devotion in ways I cannot even fathom.
And I lost a dog due to some trigger happy fool who still probably doesn't regret what he did despite the legal consequences.
So while I respect your opinion, I ask the same of mine. And yes, I will continue to fight on opposite sides of "pit bull well-wishers" who stand up and state "it's all in how you raise them" and "there are no bad dogs, just bad owners" and "you can train your dog to not be dog aggressive" and "I own 3 different types of APBT........". We cannot afford to duck our heads, tuck our tails, and let the lies be spread. Speak the truth and nothing but the truth. And let your actions speak louder than those words.
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