Just wondering Labradoodle vs Purebreeds so to speak?

[doodleluvr]

I haven't ever really posted on this forum just for the fact of the things I've read just browsing. My husband and I are getting an Australian Labradoodle in October. We did alot of research on picking out a dog. Our son has allergies as do I. My husband absolutely didn't want a poodle he thinks there too girlie. But he was going to get me one until I found the cross breed lab and poodle the mutt most of you say. My question is what is the problem with it being a breed? I could turn around and say that half the breeds ya'll think are pure are infact mutts. For example Australian Cattle Dog AKA Blue Heeler is actually a cross breed and infact they breed it a few different times until they got the desired results. Ending result being a cross between I believe four different dogs Collie, Dingo (yes the farel dog in Australia) Dalmation and Kelpie don't quote me on that just trying to remember what I read. Bullenbeisser were the origins of boxers, so I guess my question is why would anyone bash any person for wanting a dog you may look at as a mutt? Is it that you think your better then the little kid who was so excited to get a labradoodle? IMO I think it's ya'll haven't done enough research to recognize that all dogs came from somewhere and all breeds at one time were made by humans crossbreeding to get the desired results. Just because your dog may have been considered a breed for 100's of years now doesn't make the Labradoodle a mutt. They do have a standard that they follow and they do have a Worldwide Club. So I think all that is left is to get the 300 dogs in 20 states that have been breed by the standards. I believe that is what I read makes the AKC recognize a Breed of dog. I also think most of you are looking at the backyard breeders that want to make a quick buck that don't follow the standards. Why are you looking just at the Labradoodles and not the other backyard breeders that could careless about the dog. Would you be more upset if someone got an Australian Labradoodle or a Pit bull pup that is only 5weeks old? I've seen tons of people that have gotten puppies from backyard breeders that are way to young to be away from their mothers. Basically what I'm getting at is ya'll should look at the aspect of someone loving a dog not what kind of dog it is, and if they ask you for help you would be adult enough to answer their question no matter if it's a mutt or a purebreed.

DoodleLuvr

 

[jess2416]

Read These........
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/search.php?searchid=229199

Edit to add: I have a mutt, but I sure wouldnt pay thousands of dollars for one...No one here hates doodles, most of us dislike the fact that there are already thousands of dogs just like these in shelters that need a good home, but people are making money off of them, when it is nothing but a mutt...

 

[Ash47]

The thing we have such a problem with is that people are still buying mixed breeds from breeders. There are so many mixed dogs in shelters. Soooo many. No one here has a problem with mixed breeds. I have 3. Almost everybody on here has a mixed dog. But, most of us did not buy them from "breeders."
We all also know that every purebred was once a "mutt." But, after many generations of breeding those crosses and finally coming up with a standard they were satisfied with, the original breeders began calling these dogs a breed. Labradoodle and all the other doodle names are just a marketing ploy. I don't know why people can not see why we just don't agree with the practices of most doodle breeders. Any by the way, anyone can make up a club name and say they are the "American Club of Labradoodles." It doesn't mean they are necessarily breeding for the right reasons or already have a standard. Every single doodle I have ever seen looks different. There is no set standard obviously.
Anyway, my stance on the issue is I will never buy a mixed breed from a so called breeder.

 

[zoe08]

First of all, congratulations on picking out a puppy and I am glad to hear you have done lots of research!

Everyone here gets just as upset over pet store puppies and BYB puppies as they do the 'designer' breeds, you just have to read the threads about those. It doesnt ALL get brought up in ONE thread.

Most people that breed 'designer' dogs such as a labradoodle, are usually BYB just out to make a bunch of money. So as long as the breeders you are buying your dog from have done health testing, etc, I don't think there will be as big of problem, I believe they are actually trying to make the Australian Labradoodle into a breed, but people that just have a lab and a poodle and think they will breed them and make some money arent those people.

Also you should know that getting a Labradoodle doesnt guarantee it won't get the coat of the lab instead of the poodle, and your son there eis a chance that your son or you could be allergic to it.

And poodles are actually not too 'girly'...you don't have to give them the floofy hair cut and they are good water retrievers I hear.

Hope that everything works out well for you and your new puppy!!

 

[doodleluvr]

I have read all those and that is why I choose to write that because most of ya'll don't say anything positive to anybody when they mention Labradoodle and I was just wondering why that is more on a straight answer then someone just bashing back. I wanted how would you say it...........mmmmmm an adult orientated answer of why it is the majority of you bash a person the instance the say doodle?

 

[fillyone]

I haven't ever really posted on this forum just for the fact of the things I've read just browsing. My husband and I are getting an Australian Labradoodle in October. We did alot of research on picking out a dog. Our son has allergies as do I....*Snip*....DoodleLuvr

What are you going to do if you or your son are allergic to the Labradoodle?
Many are not hypoallergenic.

 

[ihartgonzo]

It's good that you're doing your research

I have to warn you though, and hopefully you've thought of this, Labradoodles (unlike Australian Cattle Dogs & Boxers) are not a breed that is established nor does it breed true, it is a mixed breed. Therefore, you will be paying a LOT to import a puppy that could very well turn out highly or even just midlly allergenic! I don't bash the dogs, Labradoodles can be great dogs, but do understand that many of us are involved in rescue and ONLY accept breeding dogs, period, if it is to better the breed - since there are so many mixed breeds languishing in shelters.

My sister's MIL is also allergenic, and she's going to get a Portugese Water Dog from a wonderful breeder this summer. These dogs are very low-allergy, and much "sportier" looking compared to a Poodle. It's actually very difficult to tell a PWD or an Irish Water Spaniel from a Labradoodle... the real difference being that these 2 breeds produce consistent puppies with low-dander, while Labradoodles truly are a crap-shoot.

 

[Dobiegurl]

I have read all those and that is why I choose to write that because most of ya'll don't say anything positive to anybody when they mention Labradoodle and I was just wondering why that is more on a straight answer then someone just bashing back. I wanted how would you say it...........mmmmmm an adult orientated answer of why it is the majority of you bash a person the instance the say doodle?

Can you speak english please. I dont understand what the hell you just wrote.

 

[JennSLK]

Because 99% of the people breeding any doodle breed are breeding for the money. No health checks are done and they just pick any old dog to breed too.

People buy the because they think they are hypoalergenic. Some are but most arent. There are no garentees with genetics.

They were orgionally started as a service dog in Aus for those who had alergies. Thats all find and dandy and there are alot of GOOD doodle breeders in Aus. However there are very few good breeders in Canada and the US because most reconize the fact that people can be tricked into buying a cross bred puppy for $2000+ that 75% of the time will not turn out to be hypo alergenic.

I wuold also like to point out there is a world club for mixes as well.

Im my opinion there is to much difference in the dogs to be considered a breed. Yes they have a standard but because the majority of doodles are only F1 - F3 there hasn't been enough generations that breed true to a standard to be considered a breed.

Perhaps in many years when they breed true they ca/should become a breed but untill then they are a mutt plain and simple.

No one here has anything against mutt we just have everything against BYB and puppy mills, which is were the majority of doodles come from.

But then again thats just my 2 cents.

 

[JennSLK]

Because 99% of the people breeding any doodle breed are breeding for the money. No health checks are done and they just pick any old dog to breed too.

People buy the because they think they are hypoalergenic. Some are but most arent. There are no garentees with genetics.

They were orgionally started as a service dog in Aus for those who had alergies. Thats all find and dandy and there are alot of GOOD doodle breeders in Aus. However there are very few good breeders in Canada and the US because most reconize the fact that people can be tricked into buying a cross bred puppy for $2000+ that 75% of the time will not turn out to be hypo alergenic.

I wuold also like to point out there is a world club for mixes as well.

Im my opinion there is to much difference in the dogs to be considered a breed. Yes they have a standard but because the majority of doodles are only F1 - F3 there hasn't been enough generations that breed true to a standard to be considered a breed.

Perhaps in many years when they breed true they ca/should become a breed but untill then they are a mutt plain and simple.

No one here has anything against mutt we just have everything against BYB and puppy mills, which is were the majority of doodles come from.

But then again thats just my 2 cents.

 

[doodleluvr]

So as long as the breeders you are buying your dog from have done health testing, etc, I don't think there will be as big of problem, I believe they are actually trying to make the Australian Labradoodle into a breed, but people that just have a lab and a poodle and think they will breed them and make some money arent those people.

Our pups parents were breed over in Australia. He/she will have a health guarentee for 2yrs. Microchiped before pick up spayed/neutered....all the first shots. We also will be able to trace his family tree down to 30yrs ago to the actually poodle and lab he/she was first breed from. I erased the part on the quote on the no guarentee of non-sheding. Actually the Australian Labradoodle has three different coats and yes the one that actually shed like a lab has been pretty much breed out. The 2nd coat you get a blow out coat at 9 or so months of age turning from the puppy coat to their adult coat so you get one shed for their life. The 3rd coat which we are getting doesn't shed. I'm sure there are some posts I haven't read yet but your answer was the best answer so far. Thanks

 

[doodleluvr]

Can you speak english please. I dont understand what the hell you just wrote.

All I have to say to this is refer to the adult orientated answer I was looking for.

 

[Dobiegurl]

All I have to say to this is refer to the adult orientated answer I was looking for.

WHAT?? what adult oriented answer are you talking about? You are really confusing me.

 

[JennSLK]

As long as they are doing everything we would expect from a pure bred breeder and letting the people know there is no garentee they will be hypoalergenic like the poodle then fine. Also if they are actually trying for a standard. Im glad you did your research and got from a good breeder

Do they have a website by the way?

 

[blue]

DobieGurl must be having an off day doodleluvr. Usually she isnt this dense, she is a very smart young lady.

As long as third generation doodles are being bred and not a lab to poodle breeding I have no problem and have said so many times on this board. When the parents are a Lab and a Poodle the offspring are muts and the buyers better be wiling to gamble.

Welcome aboard.

 

[doodleluvr]

They were orgionally started as a service dog in Aus for those who had alergies. Thats all find and dandy and there are alot of GOOD doodle breeders in Aus. However there are very few good breeders in Canada and the US because most reconize the fact that people can be tricked into buying a cross bred puppy for $2000+ that 75% of the time will not turn out to be hypo alergenic.

You bring up a good point, people can be swayed into getting a backyard dog. BTW American doodles don't run that high they are around 800 give or take. Let's just say someone spends 2k on a dog honestly wouldn't that person do some research to make sure their getting what they payed for? There are at least 25 breeders in America not sure of how many in Canada that follow the Standards that were set for breeding.

 

[Dobiegurl]

I am not trying to be rude, but I am seriously confused.

 

[PoodleMommy]

Hey dont bash the poodle they arent too girly
Seeing as I love poodles I am a little biased....lol

I also dont understand why mixed breeds get such a bad rap, yes there are many many bad breeders but the people who use this as an excuse for hating these breeds neglect to look at the fact that there are many very bad breeders breeding pure bred dogs.

As with any breed (mixed or purebred) you need to do a lot of research in order to find a good breeder who has done health testing and treats their dogs well.
It appears that you are well educated on the breed and I am sure that means you have done the required research.

Good Luck with your new puppy and dont let people here turn you off... everyone deserves a dog even those who suffer from allergies.

PLEASE post pictures as soon as you get your new addition to the family.

Elissa

 

[doodleluvr]

I am not trying to be rude, but I am seriously confused.

What exactly are you confused about there Dobie, just read my first post and go from there. All my others were responces and I think you got confused when I forgot to do the quote.

 

[Zoom]

I'm going to ignore the ethics of breeding all together and ask you this question instead: What is it about dogs that your son is allergic to? Contrary to popular belief, it's not just the hair that is the allergen. The dander a pet sheds, the environmental allergens the pet picks up and the saliva of the pet itself are all allergens. A Labradoodle or any other dog is not going to keep your son from having a reaction if it's the dog's saliva he is allergic to. Also, just because a dog seems to be hypoallergenic as a puppy doesn't mean that he will continue to be so when his adult coat grows in.

There is a really good book out there about dog allergies called "Sneeze-free Dog Breeds". It goes into great detail about dog allergies, ways to minimize reactions and also gives examples of those breeds that are usually less likely to cause a reaction. No breed is 100% hypoallergenic, for the reasons I listed above.

I wish you luck in your search!