Is this something to be proud of?

Dekka

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What pisses me off about the 'rescue's' statement is "you are not good enough for OUR dogs, but we are fine with you getting a dog, as long as its not one of ours.."

If someone isn't good enough for your dogs, then perhaps they shouldn't be getting a dog. And if they are good enough to own a dog why not try to match them with one?
 

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IMO that is selling dogs not rescuing and rehoming. Again, just MO.
Which is why I wouldn't touch that place with a ten foot pole. They have ten (I think it was ten) dogs, yet they want adoption fees varying from 300-750 for a dog. Younger, smaller females are more. Middle-aged to older males are the cheapest, and for their adoption fee on their one puppy you could get a well bred puppy from a breeder.
 

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my concern is more that some dogs are missing out on great families, and that those families are discouraged from rescuing and turn instead to the petstore or the family down the street who bred their family dog.

it just seems so counterproductive to what i assume is the rescue's goal- to save dogs.
But is it better - for the dog - to be bounced from several unsuitable homes, or to wait for the ideal home to come along? It's not just saving dogs, it's to find the *right* home for each dog so they don't have to go through any more hardship than they already have.

The organization I work with does encourage people with small children to consider the other dogs in our organization that they ARE eligible to adopt. I don't know how many actually look at the others though.

And really, do people think they're going to make a rescue organization change their minds by "going postal" on the rescue about their adoption requirements? If anything, that would have the opposite effect, I'd think! ;)

And on another side note - that yorkie "rescue" is insane.... that adoption fee is crazy high! Now THEY sound pretentious.
 
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(Disclaimer = I'm not speaking on behalf of the organization I volunteer with, these are my own thoughts)

Not all parents are careless- there are wonderful parents out there - but then who makes the decision what constitutes a "safe" home with infants versus a nonsafe home? What happens when Family A is allowed to adopt but Family B isn't, and Family B finds out and goes crazy on the rescue? Sure, some families miss out on a great dog - but there are tons of great dogs out there, with other shelters and rescue organizations without such strict guidelines.

As for Dobermans, this breed as a whole is extremely sensitive when it comes to the bond they have with their owners. They aren't a breed that is known for being "flexible and forgiving" when it comes to the amount and quality of contact and interaction they need with their people. Not all breeds are like this, not all breeds need their humans as much as they need oxygen - but this breed, in general, does need their humans wholly and completely. And because of that, it's very important that the homes they go to understand the unique needs of the breed and are prepared to do what is necessary to ensure a lifelong bond.
This is how I feel too - many of the dogs we take in and adopt out are Dachshund and Dachshund mixes. That breed also is very intolerant of small kids - and my question is, why would you want to subject your CHILDREN to that kind of attitude from dogs?
Our "rule of thumb" is no kids under 8 yrs. for larger, "tolerant" breeds, no kids under 10 for untested adult dogs and no kids under 12 for any small (micromini) breed or Dachshund "type" dog (intolerant of kids).
We make exceptions but we tell people the problem we have is we don't have small toddlers to test these dogs with so I'd prefer to be safe than sorry.

A good example of how we do things, we adopted out an adult male Basset hound to some people in Idaho - they had an 8yr. old.
I knew this particular dog had lived with kids - saw his picture with the girls he lived with.
This family emailed me a week or so later, stating the dog had bitten the 8yr. old boy - not once, but twice!
I asked what was going on when the boy got bit??
The boy, the first night the dog had arrived, had gotten up in the dog's face and hugged the dog around the neck.
The dog bit.
The boy did it - again -the next night or whatever, and the dog bit - again!
Um...wouldn't you have warned your child the 1st time that the dog didn't like being hugged??
So by the time they brought the dog back a day or two later, the dog had bitten the boy - AGAIN - for giving the dog a hug!
Now, this dog could easily have been euthanized for the biting behavior - because I placed it in a home with kids assuming it was good with kids!

So with that in mind we prefer all kids be over 12, but have relaxed our guidelines somewhat. It just depends - on the dog mostly, but also the family and their attitudes about dogs and kids' interacting.
 
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so it's better that we kill dogs in shelters instead of putting them in reasonably decent if not super stellar homes? that's the attitude i don't understand.

help people, guide people toward becoming better owners. give them the support they need to do right by their dogs. be flexible and realize that people don't have the be superstars to do ok by their dogs.
I always do that - with any home.
We help educate in many ways, training, etc. If I see many things I like but they are nose-rubbers, I print and give out potty training advice, etc.
But seriously, there's many homes that just won't pass - even if only for that specific dog.
If there's another dog suitable, I refer then them to that dog. Or another rescue.
Many times it's a joint decision anyway, between me and 2-3 other board members if I think I am being too picky.
 

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I looked up the rescue and I wouldn't go to them for many reasons, one of them including a $750 adoption fee. That's just plain outrageous.
Yep, I saw that.

For $750, I want health certs and titles on the parents, a known ancestry and a guarantee that I'm getting what I'm asking for. I gotta agree with elegy:

rescuing dogs only works if you, you know, PUT THEM IN HOMES.
 

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For $750, I want health certs and titles on the parents, a known ancestry and a guarantee that I'm getting what I'm asking for. ....
And that's what you run into with the average john Q IMO. They think along these lines as far as price and figure if a RESCUE wants $750 and jumps you through hoops...........why not pick a BYB out of the paper or Craig'slist, pay $400, (or less) no hoops, and get the same guarantee as far as temperament and health. (in other words, NO guarantee either way)

Makes perfect sense to me, and I KNOW better! :eek:
 

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I looked up the rescue and I wouldn't go to them for many reasons, one of them including a $750 adoption fee. That's just plain outrageous.
We have a word for those. It's "Rescue Mill". The outrageous thing is some of them actually breed the dogs under the table and then pose them as rescue puppies.
 

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Why the 90% rejection rate then? I suppose it could be a marketing ploy ("you're in the top 10%!") but it doesn't seem like a very good one to me.
 

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Why the 90% rejection rate then? I suppose it could be a marketing ploy ("you're in the top 10%!") but it doesn't seem like a very good one to me.
Not that they are breeding their dogs. Just saying some *coughgentlegiantscough* do.
 

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As mentioned, it's why so many people turn to their local newspaper ads and Petlands to buy a mutt.

I've been turned down the past several times I've offered to adopt or even foster. I don't even bother with actual rescues any more. Shame, because there goes any discount on veterinary services, any bags of food, any treats, any collars.......and a good home.
 
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And that's what you run into with the average john Q IMO. They think along these lines as far as price and figure if a RESCUE wants $750 and jumps you through hoops...........why not pick a BYB out of the paper or Craig'slist, pay $400, (or less) no hoops, and get the same guarantee as far as temperament and health. (in other words, NO guarantee either way)

Makes perfect sense to me, and I KNOW better! :eek:
If you go to a newspaper, you probably at least get to see that both parents aren't crippled at 2 years old or whatever. It wont be much at all without the actual testing, but its really could be that one percent better.
 

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Depends on how many dogs you want to rescue I guess. If you want to hold on to 90 percent a hundred percent of the time, maybe your approved homes will show up eventually, but how many go without in the meantime? Considering the list is wrap around the globe long, that doesn't make much sense. That much for adoption fee is outrageous. Doubt their keeping their eyes on the kill shelters and yanking them out just in time because all their beds are full.
 

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HOLY HELL!

The $250 ain't so bad, but the $850? And obviously those Frenchies were $1200 :eek: I'd really hate to see what she prices out at $250........I bet they'd have to be a senior on it's last legs!!
Adoption fees run anywhere from $ 250.00 to $ 850.00.
Oh but her "Death Row Dog" catch phrase is a nice touch.........Pffffffffffft Rescuing has become quite a fashionable and PROFITABLE business for the ones in it to make a buck, and sadly, those types are growing in number every single day :(
 

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I have not read the whole thread, but I have to say, the kids thing really, truly depends on the kids and how they were brought up.... We have always, always had multiple dogs.. Even when my kids were babies... When they were toddlers we had.. Daisy, my hubby's beagle, she was his childhood pet and hunting companion and was around 9 when the kids were born and lived to 18... We also had Queenie, another hunting dog she was a Springer Spaniel and was about 4 when the kids were born, then when they were toddlers we added Chico, a Chihuahua... We also had a Doberman when they were about 7/8... Along with other dogs throughout their childhood.... They never gave us any problems, dogs or kids...
 

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