Is "Clicker" training effective?

BMPowers

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If you don't know what it is or you are curious...

http://www.clickertraining.com/training/clicker_basics/index.htm?loaditem=what_is_ct

I signed up my 12 week old puppy for TLC K9's clicker training - she starts tomorrow...

You all have any stories good or bad? They say they gaurentee off leash everything and will train as long as the dog needs it... www.tlck9.com - they are supposed to be highly reccommended...anyone have experience with them?

Any suggestions or warnings?

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Clicker/marker training is VERY effective. I use markers as well but instead of a clicker I use my voice (because I know I will always forget the clicker but I will always have my voice, Im a forgetful person).

Clicker training teaches your dog to solve problems on his/her own. Its a great way to create a strong relationship with your dog and give your dog an understanding of what you want.

Good luck to you and your dog, I'm sure you will do just fine.
 

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VERY much so! I clicker trained my horses to do tricks. THey knew to come when they were called, stand tie(which means stand untied without moving anywhere), touch a target, fetch a ball, kiss(not the best experience lmao), hug, bow, away(moing their head away from me when I had treats - VERY effective) etc etc.

Its very useful but ONLY if you do it the right way.

Never click on a behaviour that you dont want! That is key!!

Advice would be that clicker training is built on pricision. If you are too slow, or miss out on the "key move" you wanted - do NOT click after it happens but ask for it again and be on time for the next one. :)

Its always click a reward.

I think your first lesson will just be showing the dog how the click works - Ie. whenever they hear the clicking noise they get a yummy treat :)
 

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Wait...

So you click on good behavior?

I thought that the thing is an irritant and that you click on bad behavior? IE, if she steps off of her place cot then she gets clicked and learns not to step off... Is that not the case?

When she does something good, she gets a buzz? Now I don't understand.

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Clicker training is marking good behaviors. When your dog does what is asked you click and treat. But as SummerRiot said its all about timing. I'm sure the trainer will explain it better.
 

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Clicker training is a very positive, very effective tool. It works soo well. I love it!
 

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Not a shock collar...

It's a small device - maybe the size of a lemon that sits around the dogs neck and it vibrates when you push the button... It's supposed to be very effective. No one has any idea what I'm talking about?

Hmm
 

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That's an electronic collar and is different from clicker training.

Clicker training marks good behaviors and is very effective for shaping new behaviors in a short amount of time and touching up existing behaviors. I use my voice instead of a clicker because I'm just not coordinated enough to use clicker, treats and leash at the same time. ;) :rolleyes: Clicker training is what's known as "positive reinforcement/reward" because it adds something for 'good' behavior.

The e-collars use positive correct/punishment, because it's adds a correction for 'wrong' behavior.
 

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I visited the website you mentioned, that has the program you said you'd signed up for.

I can't say I'm impressed, however. They don't really tell you anything about their style of training. They make a lot of big claims and spend quite a bit of time putting down other training methods without really saying what they do. They guarantee a quick "fix" which tells me that they probably use some pretty intense (probably harsh) training methods while trying to say that they are kind trainers.

You say they're going to use a vibrating collar .. is it vibration only and not shock? In all honesty, people who use shock collars often call themselves "kind and force-free" trainers .. they don't acknowledge that the reason shock works is that it's uncomfortable and/or painful to the dog, and the dog learns through a desire to avoid consequences instead of learning through a desire to repeat behaviors. I'm not saying that there's not a place for corrections of some kind, but a training method BASED on corrections is not a good method in my eyes.

Clicker training is a wonderful method, whether you use a click to mark the behavior or your voice. It's based on understanding and observing your dog, seeing the behaviors you like and reinforcing those behaviors. It builds a very strong and trusting relationship between you and your dog - a better relationship than you will get if you train using corrective methods.

Oh - something else I noticed as I browsed through that site. They say that they will work with you until your dog is behaving, but then they also say that "you can expect to pay between $800 and $1700" for a good dog training program. That's a lot of money! A beginning class here goes for about $60. I guess if you're getting paid over $1000 for training a dog, you can offer some guarantees, especially if you're willing to use shock collars to get the effect you want quickly.

Good luck to you and your dog on this program. It isn't one I would use. ANY place that says you will have a dog working off-leash consistently in 2-3 lessons is either lying or they're using some pretty extreme and harsh methods. I could teach a dog to listen in that amount of time if I was willing to use pain to train. Personally I've taught training classes that, in just 3 weeks (meeting twice a week) all the students could run their dogs through an obstacle course off-leash, with all the other dogs and people in the room with them - and this was done using positive reinforcement (which the trainers on your site say can't be used to get reliable behaviors).

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
 

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