I'm Going to Breed Roxy Mae

[Doberluv]

Renee, I agree about things like what they're doing to the GSD. That slope was meant, in the beginning to enable them to take long strides and cover more ground with little effort. They are a trotting dog. They've taken it to such extremes, that they've not only defeated their purpose, but caused terrible problems.

Thankfully, IMO, they've improved the Doberman over the years. They are not a fad breed at the moment.

I'm sure your Chi is lovely Pro. I only meant the same stuff that goes on, like with the GSD goes on in lots of breeds. These people breeding Chi's to be 2 LBS is disgusting. Your Chi and mine are wopping 6 pounders. LOL. My Chi does not have the greatest conformation as she is not from a reputable breeder. Her temperament is stupendous and she's healthy. I would never dream of breeding her. My Doberman, on the other hand has very good conformation, good temperament, good health (so far) and I still wouldn't dream of breeding him. There are better dogs out there, I'm sure to improve the breed over all. Plus, he's neutered, so I couldn't breed him. LOL.

Since your Chi is so excellent and has no health issues, maybe you can improve the breed and add some excellence. Maybe they need more dogs like yours to help out.

Good luck!

 

[showpug]

Ok, as most of you know, I have Roxy Mae the Chihuahua. Ok, she is a deerhead, meaning the shape of her head is like that that of a deer's head. This is not standard and I could not show her. Now, the Taco Bell dog (most of you know what he looked like), was an appledome. Their heads are huge and bulging with small faces. Roxy's face is proportionate to her head. You can definetely tell she is Chihuahua, but she doesn't necessarily have that "standard" look. So, what you do you guys prefer? Appledome or Deerhead?? Personally, I could go for either. I am in love with Chihuahuas and like all their "looks."


I am really confused now...I thought you said that your dog was a "PERFECT" example of the breed and that you could indeed show her...so why did you write the above in a different thread?

 

[Doberluv]

Showpug! I must have forgotten what I read way back there. LOL. Good heavens!

 

[bubbatd]

As I posted before....Pro has a couple of years to decide......my advise is NOT to give away puppies ! If you have 3 pups and 3 close friends fine......but never advertise free puppies. Your litter will cost you at the least $100. per pup . with , hopefully no unexpected problems. This does not included the stud fee or pick of the litter. I'm glad you have the years to make this a good out come for you and Roxy's pups. Will be anxious to hear in a few years how you decided !!! It's an interesting and rewarding adverture when you have the best interest of your female and the breed at heart. I agree, you've posted here to get advise and I know you will do what's right !

 

[Doberluv]

From the AKC Website

Quote:
Head
A well rounded "apple dome" skull, with or without molera. Expression - Saucy. Eyes - Full, but not protruding, balanced, set well apart-luminous dark or luminous ruby. (Light eyes in blond or white-colored dogs permissible.) Ears - Large, erect type ears, held more upright when alert, but flaring to the sides at a 45 degree angle when in repose, giving breadth between the ears. Muzzle - Moderately short, slightly pointed. Cheeks and jaws lean. Nose - Self-colored in blond types, or black. In moles, blues, and chocolates, they are self-colored. In blond types, pink nose permissible. Bite - Level or scissors. Overshot or undershot bite, or any distortion of the bite or jaw, should be penalized as a serious fault. Disqualifications - Broken down or cropped ears.



This is the only acceptable head for a Chihuahua.

Here is a quote from a Chihuahua breeder on a different site:
Quote:
The term Deer Chihuahua is just a descriptive term, not a type of breed. There is one breed standard. AKC has a description. Usually a "deer" is farthest away from the standard...longer legs, less of an apple head, etc. Even the term Apple Head Chihuahua is just a description, not a breed. And as far as Teacup goes, that's the biggest joke. First of all, there is no such breed. It's simply a small chihuahua and may be prone to more of the problems chi's face with their hips, etc. If someone is charging you more for a "rare" blue or a "teacup," they are either ignorant or are trying to make an extra buck.



Note that the "deer head" is as far from standard as you can get!!

Many people call us asking if we have "apple head" or "deer head" Chihuahuas implying that these are separate and distinct breeds or at least sub-classifications within the breed. This can not be further from the truth. The Chihuahua Club of America and the American Kennel Club recognize only one head type as being the standard for the Chihuahua. According to the Official AKC Standard For The Chihuahua, the Chihuahua has a distinctive "Apple Dome" headpiece that is essential to correct breed type.

quoted from another site:

Many people call us asking if we have "apple head" or "deer head" Chihuahuas implying that these are separate and distinct breeds or at least sub-classifications within the breed. This can not be further from the truth. The Chihuahua Club of America and the American Kennel Club recognize only one head type as being the standard for the Chihuahua. According to the Official AKC Standard For The Chihuahua, the Chihuahua has a distinctive "Apple Dome" headpiece that is essential to correct breed type.

Early in the establishment of the breed in the US, it was common practice for breeders to cross breed the Chihuahua with the small Terrier breeds to "strengthen" the breed and also to develop a new breed that is now known as the Toy Fox Terrier. This practice is no longer accepted, however some of the terrier traits occasionally surface in the pure breed Chihuahua. The "Deer Head" characteristic of some Chihuahuas is due to this mix breeding. Wile these individuals are pure breed Chihuahuas, the "deer head" characteristic would be considered a fault or disqualification in competition.

 

[Doberluv]

If you're interested in breeding, spend some years researching it and save up for the very best female you can get your hands on and get a mentor, someone who is a very reputable and experienced breeder who can walk through it with you, can answer questions and help you find a good match for a mate for your girl. You could go to shows, look at lots of dogs, compare them, study them and talk to Chihuahua people and learn a lot. That would be my best advice.

Whether or not we agree with the standards in every case, breeders need to have something to go by, to adhere to, otherwise there would be Chihuahuas who didn't look like eachother and Dobermans who were so different from each other. Of course there has to be a standard to strive for. If there is an opposition to the way a breed is developing, that has to be up to the breed clubs to make changes. Breeders can't just go around breeding dogs who are not fitting the outlined, established specs.

 

[Ash47]

I see how everyone is confused. I could show Roxy as her snout being a little long is not a disqualification. But I wouldn't because she is not what people are used to seeing. Why would they pick her?? What I meant by saying she doesn't have that "standard" look, is that she doesn't have the kind of Chi face a lot of people are used to seeing... She doesn't have the "common" look. As Renee said, find another Chi that is in good health and has good temperament that is on the other side of the spectrum with a short snout and then the puppies will have a better chance of coming out right down the middle. I never ever said I was going to do this right now or even in a year. I said the way things are going right now, I am going to. Everything is looking good. I was just announcing the way the situation looks at this moment. As grammy is telling me, who knows what it will look like when Roxy is 3 or 4?? She may have cancer or she may be in great health and ok to be a mom. Grammy, I am not advertising free puppies. I am not even advertising that she may have puppies in the paper or anywhere. The only people that know are you guys. I haven't even told anyone that I am giving the pups to them. That is just what I am going to do. I don't want any money. The way it is at my work is that when we get something done to one of our pets there, it just goes on our bill and we get 20$ taken out each week. So, I won't lose a lump sum or anything at once. So, that makes it a little better. Besides, I am not even worried about the money. And it isn't that I want to see puppies grow up, I see them everyday. It isn't that I want another Roxy. I know that isn't possible to have another dog that is exactly like her. But I do want to pass on some of her traits. She has great ones. Her sire will have great ones also, as I will settle for nothing less.

 

[Ash47]

Thank you Babyblue. I am only thinking of her and the Chihuahua breed.

 

[bubbatd]

Good for you !!! Stick to your guns !!!

 

[Babyblue5290]

Thank you Babyblue. I am only thinking of her and the Chihuahua breed.

Your welcome!

 

[mrose_s]

Have to second what Doberluv said...I have had mixes myself, but the idea of breeding a mix on purpose is very irresponsible in my opinion. :

trust me this was worth it. And in the physical bauty department, both beautiful dogs, there was martha (the boxer/bully) and the male looked like he had mastiff or something in him. My mother likes big heavy dogs that can go jogging, mixes are GREAT if bred corectly they can make great pets,
I think the idea of breeding only purebreds is sad. some people don't care that much about their dogs bred background, I would be quite happy if I could just meet the parents. Purebreds are great but I would hate to e stuck in a world where all dogs are purebred.

 

[mrose_s]

And everyone is talking about the breeds standards. Are you breeding her to produce show dogs?

if you follow all of that exactly we would have a heap of BC's that wern't as drievn or as EliNHunter said (sort of) a whole lot of white Golden's.
you can't let standards rule your dog

 

[Ash47]

mrose,
I'm sorry, but I can't take advice from you. You allowed two mixes to breed. I will only take advice from ethical responsible breeders, no one else on here is telling me things I don't already know.

 

[Renee750il]

I was watching a show that said that some toy breeds where used to keep the fleas off the people. What a wonderful job

And I've seen some Chihuahuas that changed from bored, snippy dogs into bright, energetic, well mannered little beasties after a cat taught them to be mousers! They make excellent mousers, lol!

 

[EliNHunter]

And I've seen some Chihuahuas that changed from bored, snippy dogs into bright, energetic, well mannered little beasties after a cat taught them to be mousers! They make excellent mousers, lol!

Then maybe I need a Chi. Especially after I found the cats "playing" with a big ole field mouse in my living room. I brought Hunter in to get it since the cats were obviously entertaining themselves, only. The mouse was going for an open closet. I told Hunter to GET IT! He picks it up in his mouth, raises his head, and goes PITOOOOOOOOEY! And spits it out of his mouth as it flies into one of my winter coats and run up the sleeve!!!

I never saw it again

 

[3furkids]

trust me this was worth it. And in the physical bauty department, both beautiful dogs, there was martha (the boxer/bully) and the male looked like he had mastiff or something in him. My mother likes big heavy dogs that can go jogging, mixes are GREAT if bred corectly they can make great pets,

Have you ever spent time in a shelter as a volunteer or worker?? Have you ever had to assist in the euthanasia of dogs or cats?? Holding them while the needle is inserted into them and they are looking into your eyes. I have and its NOT fun! If you have you would think twice about breeding a mixed breed dog. Do you have a clue how many are euthanized everyday because there are not enough homes for them?? How many of those pups that you allowed to be born are being cared for properly, are not in shelters or a re still alive?? This is my pet peeve. On top of having volunteered on a board of directors for an SPCA I am also invloved in rescue. If there weren't irresponsible people around we would not need shelters and rescues. By breeding your mixed breed you can't possibly think all the pups will be just like her. And the complications of pregnancy...if you are not experienced or have no mentor, do not do it. For the sake of your dog!

I am all for breeding if it is done to better a breed and is done in a responsible way by a reputable breeder.

Edited to say. I own a mixed breed that I rescued from a shelter. On average out of the dogs who come in about 3% or less are purebreds. I think that says something.

 

[Babyblue5290]

Have you ever spent time in a shelter as a volunteer or worker?? Have you ever had to assist in the euthanasia of dogs or cats?? Holding them while the needle is inserted into them and they are looking into your eyes. I have and its NOT fun! If you have you would think twice about breeding a mixed breed dog. Do you have a clue how many are euthanized everyday because there are not enough homes for them?? How many of those pups that you allowed to be born are being cared for properly, are not in shelters or a re still alive?? This is my pet peeve. On top of having volunteered on a board of directors for an SPCA I am also invloved in rescue. If there weren't irresponsible people around we would not need shelters and rescues. By breeding your mixed breed you can't possibly think all the pups will be just like her. And the complications of pregnancy...if you are not experienced or have no mentor, do not do it. For the sake of your dog!

I am all for breeding if it is done to better a breed and is done in a responsible way by a reputable breeder.

Edited to say. I own a mixed breed that I rescued from a shelter. On average out of the dogs who come in about 3% or less are purebreds. I think that says something.

I'm guessing all that isn't aimed towards Pro......right?

 

[gapeach]

I believe it's for Mrose

 

[Babyblue5290]

I believe it's for Mrose

ooohh......thanks

 

[gapeach]

You're welcome