Hypothetical Breeding Question

[shadowfacedanes]

I feel bad that most of you have your dogs live robotic lives.

Wow....please keep your assumptions to yourself. You have no idea what kind of life my dog lives.

This is first time I've ever heard that my dog is miserable and leads a robotic life because she is properly contained, and kept under my control and supervision at all times.

I don't care what insult you might happen to hurl at me, but when someone criticizes my dog or her life, it pisses me off.

I believe you posted in another thread that you were leaving....let me get the door for you.

 

[LuvinBullies]

I am talking about normal, everyday REASONABLE stress.

Stimuli, even. Couldn't resist an opportunity to use a brainy act word. Good post, Tempura.

I guess my ironclad feelings about responsible APBT ownership has conditioned me to see ONLY the bareboned black & white of this issue: If your dog is outside, you'd best know how to properly prevent any and all accidents. The intruding male at first look seems to hold the heavier blame, but in the end I feel both parties should accept a share of the responsibility if a coupling occured. That being said- the intact male dog should never have gotten loose, period. A rogue intact male carries the burden of being a MUCH larger nuisance than a bitch in her own yard. While a bitch in heat should never be left unattended even in her own yard, the owner of the intact male -digging under or jumping over fences- is flat reckless.
The intact male is a huge responsibility to look after- no matter the breed.
JMO.

 

[bubbatd]

StillandSilent ...your last post said that you forgot to ask the lady if the dog was in her yard or loose !!! Those are 2 different ball games !

 

[jess2416]

I know this has probably been said, but I'm going to say it again, If you own intact animals you should be responsible enough to know where they are at ALL times, no matter whether their male or female...

 

[~Jessie~]

I know this has probably been said, but I'm going to say it again, If you own intact animals you should be responsible enough to know where they are at ALL times, no matter whether their male or female...

Yep, I agree completely, Jess

 

[mrose_s]

This is a question about the responsibility of owning an intact male. Say you have an intact male who is a show dog or a show prospect. One day when you are not paying the strictest attention, he jumps the fence. By the time you find him, he has mated with the neighbors mutt. What responsibility do you have for the resulting litter? Does it matter if she was running loose or if he jumped into her yard? Do you pay for 1/2 of everything, including all the vet care? Do you have responsibility to find every or any puppy a home?
I took a call at work about a similar situation, so I am very curious about what your opinions are about this.

there is still the option to have the dog have the injections to prevent a pregnancy, like the morning aftre pill

 

[mrose_s]

I know this has probably been said, but I'm going to say it again, If you own intact animals you should be responsible enough to know where they are at ALL times, no matter whether their male or female...

your right. at the moment we have an on heat female and an intact male living in the same house and we manage to keep an eye on them

 

[bubbatd]

mrose .... how are you handling it ??

 

[tempura tantrum]

I feel bad that most of you have your dogs live robotic lives.

And I feel bad that you're the greatest hypocrite here.

If you want to talk BASHING how about saying our dogs have robotic lives just because YOU don't like how seriously WE take our responsibilities?

How about saying that we're all uptight and paranoid?

THAT is bashing.

An opinion you don't like is simply that, and nothing more. The fact that MOST people here don't agree with you makes you FEEL that you are getting bashed, but that's all there is to it.

My reasons for doing what I do stem from actual experience- I KNOW people who have intact dogs that watched them with the same level of carelessness you champion, and guess what? Those dogs got pregnant.

My bitch hasn't. (At least unintentionally- she had one beautiful PLANNED litter of puppies. All of whom were spoken for BEFORE the breeding even took place.

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

"yes that is tru... and i there were ppl that were driving by my house and saw a sign next door, my neighbor was selling lab pups. The ppl had a female chocolate lab and saw the sign and thought it was for my house. They saw my dog and insisted that we let them leave thier female for two weeks. My parents and i were a little shocked but they wouldnt take no for an answer. And well those pups came out great. I had pics but i cant find them anymore. My dogs genes seemed to dominate the pool. They were great pups we were told.
I on the other hand had a white german shepard mix, and she went into heat, we kept them apart forever and one day he got to her and that was all it took. 8 pups in all, and all were exactly like him, so great, but all black and two yellow. Body build more of a Doby somewut i guess but look just like labs. I kept the two sons both yellow, my guy boozer is on my profile pic"




That is INSANE!! WHAT????????



Cul-Could you explain this? Why in the world would you and your parents agree to having more mixed breed puppies for people to dump at shelters? Please get your animals spayed/neutered!! PLEASE!! A doberman mix would last about 10 seconds at our shelter, especially if it was an owner surrender. People dont want mixed breed dogs. Very sad. You said you dont want your dog stressed, but isnt having puppies stressful?? I am not insulting you but I am asking you as someone who gets to "clean up after" mixed breed litters, please spueter your pets!!

 

[Bahamutt99]

These are animals. Unless you have 12 foot high chain link set into concrete all the way around, with a chain link roof, you will not have a fence that they cannot get out of or into.

Why do you think my animals are in the house? Sorry, but I own a Pit Bull. I can't afford to be lax in my containment. Nobody would appreciate the excuse about her being an animal if she got loose and killed somebody else's dog. Its no different when you're addressing mating drive. Keep your dogs contained, or don't keep dogs. Male or female. That's how I look at it.

 

[Spiritus]

Bahamutt - very well said. In these days of breed specific legislation and breed bans, EVERYONE must take extra-special care of their dogs and keeping them contained/under control. Anyone with Pitbulls and related breeds, Shepherds of all sorts, Dobies, Rotties, and mixes thereof NEED to be extra-responsible (just named these as an example of breeds being targetting - I DO realize there are more...).

And then there are the dogs that can tear directly through chain link.... so maybe I should have said "high-quality/zoo-containment quality chain link".

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

Yup Yup, I agree 100%. I have a pit foster boy and he is only outside when someone is home.

 

[Bahamutt99]

I realize my reply was a bit snippety. Thanks for noticing the sense behind the attitude. LOL. I just don't like excuses. Its hard to listen to other people -- not anybody here, more people outside the 'Net -- make excuses for various things that I've struggled to deal with. Dog owner A sees a problem, tries various things to solve it, doesn't give up. Dog owner B sees a problem, is too lazy to solve it, makes excuses. I'll be the first one to champion the rights of the average person to own dogs, but dedication should be a prerequisite.

 

[Diamond Chihuahuas]

I know an older lady that had her dog in her own yard and a male came into her yard and bred her dog. She called the police and the end result was the owner of the male dog had to pay the vet bill for a "mismate" shot. Basically, the way it was explained to me was that it was a shot that would abort any pregnancy and it would cause the dog to begin her heat all over again. The owner of the male dog was found completely at fault for allowing his dog to enter her yard.

 

[StealthDog]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I think my opinion is still that the male's owners hold more responsibility than the female's. When you build a fence for your dog, I don't think it's reasonable to build it in order to keep out all other animals that might come into your yard. A fence is there to keep your dog IN. If I built a fence for Winnie, my corgi, I don't feel like I would need a 6 foot high electrified concrete-reinforced monster of a fence, because she's not a climber or a digger. Of course, I would also not leave her outside unattended... But, I still don't think that every dog should get a maximum security fence because of the potential threat of a wandering dog entering.

If the bitch's owners need to be aware of the power of instinct, so do the male's owners. It's just that the male's owners need to be aware of it 24/7/365, because he is ALWAYS ready to breed.

 

[bubbatd]

It's still back to when you have a female in heat you never leave it unattended ... fenced in ... tied ..... or loose . A male will climb ..jump ...dig under anything to get to her . I really ( still ) can't fault the male . Nature calls. It's up to the humans to resolve . I'm ready for pelting here with this story . Back in 1964 we lived in the country on 8 acres . A very remote area with few houses around . My dogs , like all others were free to roam creeks , woods and fields . One Thanksgiving morning all but one male Golden returned after their morning romp . Worried I headed out in the car and saw him tied with a Collie female down the lane . Long story short ... lady had brought her female in heat to her parent's house for the Holiday . Parents didn't want the dog inside , so she tied the dog out . I knocked on the door and said " we have a problem " .... Luckily she knew that the tie had to take it's course and we waited 20 minutes . So with today's standards ... we were both wrong . But when over , she did say if her dog had to choose to mate , she was glad it was to Rufus .

 

[Laurelin]

It's not the male dog's fault, but it's the male dog's owner's fault more so than the female dog's owners. The owner of the female dog shouldn't have let it out unattended while it was in heat, but at least she was contained. The male dog's owners should take most of the responsibility. It's really up to the female's owner on whether the puppies should be aborted or not. If the male's owners wan the pups aborted, the female's owner shouldn't expect any sort of help or payment on the male's part. If Beau or Harry were to get out... well, the only intact females around are a Golden (I don't think that mating would be possible) and a papillon.... I'd try to talk the female's owner into aborting or spaying. If the female were a show dog, I'm almost sure the owners would want to abort. That's not going to happen, though, because my dogs are never let outside unless someone's outside with them. And I'm sure Beau's breeder would strangle me if he sired pups like that.

 

[bubbatd]

Basically , it would nice to be able to have both the male and female's owners here . We really don't have the whole facts ,,, ( being hypothetical ) ... so I'm throwing the case out .

 

[muggsies16]

I, would say, it depends on the situation, who's fault it would be! If the female was securely confined in a fenced in yard. I would suggest it be the male dog owners fault.

But, if the female was out unattended then both of their faults. It just seems so much better to have them fixed in the long run anyway!