help please, my yorkie urinates on people

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He urinates when people come over, and has repeatedly urinated on people. i guess when he is mad or not getting the attention he wants (throw ball) he will urinate on them. he doesn't like people laying in his area, and will urinate on them if they do. I correct him, and have worked VERY HARD to house train him. He has went to obedience classes, but would not listen to anyone. he is hard headed, and has an attitude! He is an in tact male 1 year old. What can i do? I am desperate, please help.
 

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How does he act before he does it? Is he excited, or is he just laying there? Have you had him checked by a vet?
 

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Get him neutered ASAP for starters. This should have been done around puberty unless he's of breedable quality and/or a show dog.

He is marking things and people that he thinks he should own. "this is mine, this is mine, this is mine and this is mine." You need to show him that, no....it is yours. His food is yours, his toys are yours, the couch is yours, your friends are yours, the door to go outside is under your control and he has to sit first to get most of the things he wants. (or some other skill that he learns in obedience)

How much obedience practice are you doing with him? How often do you react to him? If he is seeking attention, whining, barking etc, do you turn your head and look at him? Speak to him? What does he have to do in order to receive the things he likes and needs for survival? Or does he get what he wants when he wants it?

I recommend that when people come over, you keep him on a leash and have him sit/stay if he's been taught in order for ANYONE to greet him. If he even so much as moves a muscle that looks like he's about to mark, move him away with the leash, let him know that is a no no, "eh-eh!" (nothing harsh or terrible scolding, just "nah....we don't do that." Show him something else that he CAN do instead and be reinforced for, like sit, shake hands. You can take him outside and show him a tree to mark and tell him, "goooood" and give him a treat when he marks that. Be absolutely consistant and keep him on a leash (supervised) when guests come over.

He needs to be in an obedience class again with a positive method trainer with a good reputation. Going to a class isn't all there is to it. You need to practice every single day a couple of times a day and many time during the day....a sit here, a stay there, a heel down the hall, a recall in the living room. He needs to know that you're the one who directs or acts... and he is the one who RE-acts, for the most part.

If he pees on someone when they're lying down, promptly remove him and isolate him for a couple of minutes. If he pees on someone or something in your house, you are too late. You need to watch him much more closely and PREVENT it from happening in the first place. Everytime he succeeds at this, he is being reinforced and the behavior becomes stronger. Intercept him at the first intention of marking and move him toward an alternative behavior for which he can be reinforced for.

He does NOT own anything. You need to take charge and that does NOT include harsh reprimands. It means controlling the things he likes and needs and making him work for them. It means not reacting to his every whim. It means structuring his routine a lot more, more exercise, more training, more direction.

He does not have an attitude. He is not bull headed. He is a dog with normal dog behavior. Dog behavior that we humans don't like needs to be changed or eliminated. It is up to dog owners to train their dogs. Dogs can not be expected to train themselves to have human behaviors. He has no better reason to comply because you haven't given him a reason. Find out what motivates him and use it as his reward and reinforcement. If he's a little hungry when you work with him (no free feeding) and if you use tasty treats, he will appreciate them more. (hot dog pieces, cheese, fresh meat, tiny tid bits) Reinforce behaviors you like, not just watch for behaviors you don't like. Show him what behavior gets him what he wants and needs and what behavior doesn't. Give him a good reason to want to behave the way you want. Make it WORK for him. Find out what motivates him. Something does or he'd lose the will to live.
 

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Besides the urinating, how does he interact with the people that come over? Is he friendly or does he try to avoid them? Does he appear be stressed out when guests are over?
 

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He pees on them AFTER they refuse him attention? :confused: That's unique.
 

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He urinates when people come over, and has repeatedly urinated on people. i guess when he is mad or not getting the attention he wants (throw ball) he will urinate on them. he doesn't like people laying in his area, and will urinate on them if they do. I correct him, and have worked VERY HARD to house train him. He has went to obedience classes, but would not listen to anyone. he is hard headed, and has an attitude! He is an in tact male 1 year old. What can i do? I am desperate, please help.
He is obviously a "dominant" little booger! You should get him neutered ASAP for this will only get worse as he gets older and he may permanently start marking in your home!
 

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Fixing him isn't going to help the marking at this point. Our pug was fixed at 5 months- right when he started to mark things, and 5 years later he still marks everything he can outside. We've caught him marking indoors too, like if I go upstairs for something and come down, sometimes he will have marked the bottom step. While the other dogs are playing he's peeing on every blade of grass from 2 directions, then doing the little dig thing, sending dirt and grass flying around. He'll pee in his own food bowl when he's done eating.

I don't have any suggestions, only the observation that neutering didn't make a difference for Bruzer. On the other hand Gunnar is 2 and intact and has none of those habits aside from a few places he pees on in the yard. He's never marked anything in the house.
 

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It might help Dan. I know what you're saying though. The behavior, by this time has become entrenched. And it's not just caused by hormones. It's a behavior which males and females do anyhow, some more than others. I think the hormones intensify it. Those neural pathways in the brain are formed for this behavior. It's much more difficult to un-do something like this than to prevent it in the first place by eliminating the hormones before they start coursing through the body, contributing to the behavior. However, with very diligent training, preventing anymore occurances, re-directing, reinforcing alternatate behaviors, this can be diverted. Those pathways, if un-used for a significant time will cease to operate and new pathways for a new behavior will replace those. It is not easy to change this behavior, but I do believe it can be done.

A lot of it is about training. My Doberman was fixed at 7 months. He had been marking for a month or two prior. He would be marking a lot more things if I hadn't let him know right off the bat that that is a no no. He never tried it inside my house, but he'd try it on walks if we past a building or a car. Well, right off, I made the rule that he is NOT to pee on any man made object, no vertical walls, no tires, no garbage cans. In addition, no marking my good shrubbery. Trees are fine. I'd reinforce him for marking trees or other "acceptable to me" places and interrupt him if he looked like he was about to mark a man made thing. Telephone poles are exempt. LOL.

So, if you get on top of it and be a good leader, be consistant and very watchful, he can over come this.
 

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Smaller dogs "male" seem to have that "small man" syndrome thing and I find most small breeds to be quite honary if left intact IMO. I have seen HUGE changes in males that have been fixed when owners have had issues similar to this problem. I have heard of dogs marking people before and they have always been an "intact" one when asked. I mean do humans legs resemble a telephone pole or tree? NOT! :lol-sign: If your dog was an older male 2 or 3 yrs. and he just started doing this behavior then neutering may not have been the answer at this point,though it would still help. But this dog is just 12 months old and still young so if you nip it in the bud soon I think in this case it would help more........;)
 

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Sometimes it does help . . . one of my coworkers had two chihuahua males who started marking her chairs at about six or seven months and after she got them neutered it stopped.

I'm actually really happy they were marking her stuff because otherwise she planned to breed them to a french bulldog and sell the puppies. *facepalm*
 

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I'm actually really happy they were marking her stuff because otherwise she planned to breed them to a french bulldog and sell the puppies. *facepalm*
A blessing in disguise, for sure! LOL.

The longer the behavior continues, the more difficult it is to modify. I don't think it's a breed thing. It's a dog thing. And hormones and training or lack thereof, are both contributors.
 

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i had to retrain a little marker. WE went round and round that dog and i. HE came into my home on a leash attached to my belt loop. We spent the first three days that way. Then he was allowed the freedom of ONE ROOM that i was in. WIth one of my eyes on him at all time. It took a couple weeks of diligent i am the boss and you are not going to do that in my home buddy before he quit trying. I read somewhere it takes 20 days or so to change a habit for a human. THat seemed pretty reasonable to apply to a dog as well. He was NOT an inside marker by the time he was adopted. He succeed in urinating twice inside and he was there inches from it while i cleaned it up too. NONONO you wont. All the scent has to be removed from your home, keep him on a leash a short one while your company is there be the leader and set your field.
 

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You did everything right Smkie. That's good advice. Yes, it takes aproximately two weeks for most behavior modification in dogs.
 
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Thank you all for the feedback! I had no idea this would be so helpful. I was wanting to keep him intact because he is of champion bloodline and only 3.5 lbs. I would love for him to have a live in girlfriend, or at least a few dates, but it isn't worth this. you asked a few questions so I'll do my best to answer them.

There is a soft mattress pad in the corner of the living room that people use when they sleep over, he likes to jump in it and takes his toys there. Well, he has urinated on people a few times when they were laying in on that mattress pad.

He doesn't like treats, that's partly the reason it's so hard to train him. He has them but if it isn't given freely he isn't interested. Even then he'll eat one and be done. Not much of an appetite.

He gets attention, we play with him, but I don't play ball anymore. One time I was laying on the floor reading and when I was done playing ball and he wasn't, he just walked over and urinated on my hand.

When people come over and he urinates, it's like a submissive, not sure what to think of you type situation. usually new people that haven't been around before. He loves people though, and loves to play!

He is housebroken to a puppy pad. Sometimes he just urinates on the linoleum though. His other "accidents" are behavioral. What should I do when he does these things? I love him, but I cannot tolerate that behavior. I hope it doesn't lead to giving him away.
 

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Thank you all for the feedback! I had no idea this would be so helpful. I was wanting to keep him intact because he is of champion bloodline and only 3.5 lbs. I would love for him to have a live in girlfriend, or at least a few dates, but it isn't worth this. you asked a few questions so I'll do my best to answer them.

There is a soft mattress pad in the corner of the living room that people use when they sleep over, he likes to jump in it and takes his toys there. Well, he has urinated on people a few times when they were laying in on that mattress pad.

He doesn't like treats, that's partly the reason it's so hard to train him. He has them but if it isn't given freely he isn't interested. Even then he'll eat one and be done. Not much of an appetite.

He gets attention, we play with him, but I don't play ball anymore. One time I was laying on the floor reading and when I was done playing ball and he wasn't, he just walked over and urinated on my hand.

When people come over and he urinates, it's like a submissive, not sure what to think of you type situation. usually new people that haven't been around before. He loves people though, and loves to play!

He is housebroken to a puppy pad. Sometimes he just urinates on the linoleum though. His other "accidents" are behavioral. What should I do when he does these things? I love him, but I cannot tolerate that behavior. I hope it doesn't lead to giving him away.
Scrappy, If you don't fix him now while he is young and let it go on then he may get worse. Although, it sounds pretty bad already. He is definately dominant and is marking what he thinks is his...including you *not good*! Have you talked to your vet or the pups breeder? If he is from champion lines but you are not showing him then breeding him isn't the right thing to do. He doesn't need a "girlfriend" or breed to be your best pal. I would fix him and keep him as a "house pet" he will be much more content that way, as his mind won't be on other things if you know what I mean........Good luck and keep us updated. You definately came to the right place to learn ;)

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Thank you all for the feedback! I had no idea this would be so helpful. I was wanting to keep him intact because he is of champion bloodline and only 3.5 lbs. I would love for him to have a live in girlfriend, or at least a few dates, but it isn't worth this. you asked a few questions so I'll do my best to answer them.
Glad you are so interested. There are a lot of things to consider before you breed and really, in the long run, it's rarely worth it. At least, not in my opinion. He'll probably be a happier, less hormonal dog post neutering. :)

There is a soft mattress pad in the corner of the living room that people use when they sleep over, he likes to jump in it and takes his toys there. Well, he has urinated on people a few times when they were laying in on that mattress pad.
To me, this sounds like the mattress is his space. At least in his mind. When you have visitors over you are allowing them to take over his special spot. It may sound weird but that's how he sees it. So he is reinforcing that this is his territory by marking it and them. You may want to consider either giving him a different special spot and not allowing him on the mattress or finding soemwhere else for your guests to sleep.

He doesn't like treats, that's partly the reason it's so hard to train him. He has them but if it isn't given freely he isn't interested. Even then he'll eat one and be done. Not much of an appetite.
Tricky dog. :) Does anything motivate him? Hugs/love? A special toy? ANY kind of treat like cheese, weiners, bacon...

He gets attention, we play with him, but I don't play ball anymore. One time I was laying on the floor reading and when I was done playing ball and he wasn't, he just walked over and urinated on my hand.
I don't know what to say to this. He sounds like such an odd little duck. Hopefully, someone who knows more will come along and help. I'm not the best on behaviour.

When people come over and he urinates, it's like a submissive, not sure what to think of you type situation. usually new people that haven't been around before. He loves people though, and loves to play!
It sounds to me like you are determining two types of urination. Both territorial and submissive. When he urinates for new people how does he look?


He is housebroken to a puppy pad. Sometimes he just urinates on the linoleum though. His other "accidents" are behavioral. What should I do when he does these things? I love him, but I cannot tolerate that behavior. I hope it doesn't lead to giving him away.
I hope not either! Try to stick it out and work with him. You might need to see a qualified behaviourist if we can't help you but it will be worth it.

As for the pads, I'd get rid of him and re-train him for outside. The pads can be confusing for dogs. Many of them don't understand the difference between peeing inside on pads and peeing inside altogether. I'm not a fan but some people make them work. Your dog already has so many potty issues I wouldn't use this method.

Just soem thoughts :)
 
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It sounds to me like you are determining two types of urination. Both territorial and submissive. When he urinates for new people how does he look?

It is both, he is very dominate and has more "confidence" (for lack of a better word) than whats good for him. and when new people come over he looks scared. like he doesn't know what to expect from them.


Tricky dog. Does anything motivate him? Hugs/love? A special toy? ANY kind of treat like cheese, weiners, bacon...


a ball, he has a heart attack if you even say the word. he will jump out of a coma for it.

I will take your advice and have him neutered. I just regret it not only for breeding, but I don't want a sissy dog. I love him for his attitude.

I called a behaviorist and she wants $90 an hour. I don't have that kind of money. Anyways, I just wanna say that I am really looking forward to learning from you all. Thanks again, and Scrappy Doo thanks you too!
 

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*Quote by Scrappy doo* I will take your advice and have him neutered. I just regret it not only for breeding, but I don't want a sissy dog. I love him for his attitude.

This always makes me laugh when I hear people say that they don''t want a sissy dog because he gets a little surgery to remove something that can cause more misery to him and alot less enjoyment to you which he already has caused. Marking in the home can be a common thing with intact males especially with ones that have attitude bigger than they are LOL! He'll be fine, and neutering is not going to change who he is but will help with this behavior as well as some major training on your part if you can't afford a professional. Use hot dogs...I have never met a dog that would turn down hot dogs :D . Good luck! :)
 

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Neutering your dog is not going to make him a "sissy." Your dog is not even going to care. It might calm him down a bit, but honestly, people become way too attached to a dog's testicles, and start humanizing the dog with phrases like "manly" and "sissy."

My corgi is neutered, and it doesn't make him any less male than he was before. He still lifts his leg (outside), and still has male genetalia (minus the contents of his scrotum).
 

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