George Zimmerman Found Not Guilty

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And you know this how?

We know there was an altercation...that is all.

The thing is Martin if he had lived, IMO couldve claimed self defense too. He feared for his safety when some man was stalking him. If he had a gun and shot him for stalking and being threatening, would that be stand your ground? To me Trayvon likely was the one who had stand your ground rights, he just used fist instead of a gun.

Following someone is not stalking.

And IMO I don't think turning around and attacking someone because they are following you is OK.

He picked a fight instead of calling 911 himself or getting home. It sucks this is what happened. But he decided to have a violent confrontation and unfortunately it ended badly and violently for him.
 
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Following someone is not stalking.

And IMO I don't think turning around and attacking someone because they are following you is OK.

He picked a fight instead of calling 911 himself or getting home. It sucks this is what happened. But he decided to have a violent confrontation and unfortunately it ended badly and violently for him.
How do you know he picked the fight? I believe Zimmerman did. The only two people who know for sure are Martin and Zimmerman...one is dead.

You dont think being followed is scary or threatening? Have you ever had a strange man follow you around?
 

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I had reasonable doubt. I am happy with the jury's verdict.
This. I have reasonable doubts.......lots of them, so I guess (under our system) I agree with letting him walk.

And FTR, I think they were reaching to go for 2nd degree murder in the first place......
 

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How do you know he picked the fight? I believe Zimmerman did. The only two people who know for sure are Martin and Zimmerman...one is dead.

You dont think being followed is scary or threatening? Have you ever had a strange man follow you around?
I actually have. I'm one of very very few minorities that live in my insanely small country town. Not only have I been followed by more than one guy at a time I've had people waiting at my car to tell me I'm not welcome there when I've stopped to pick up food.

Never has my first reaction been to physically assault someone. I either keep going to get to/stay in a public place or I call the cops.
 
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I have too....but I am also not a guy big enough to defend myself nor at an age where hormones practically scream "be an idiot". Many men I really respect think that if it had happened to them at that age they wouldve turned around and challenged too.
 

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This thread is probably the most awful thread I've seen on Chaz in a long time. Good job.
 

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Your just making it about race!
Well, "coon" is not used down here that way ... At least not since I have been born. Sadly the "n" word is the more wider used term down here (which is no better). The closest thing I have heard would be the term "coon ass", in reference to someone from Louisiana (black or white).

I don't think that Zimmerman himself is a racist or he followed the guy because he was a black kid. I just think he thought his neighborhood was going to be harmed & he was protecting his neighbors.

But since other people have brought the race card into this, I wonder (as someone whose fiancée is of Mexican decent) if the kid had been Latino & Zimmerman had called him "Hispanic ". I also find that the same people who cry out over the terms "coon" & "black" will freely call illegal immigrants "aliens" & refer to them like animals ... Just saying.
No, YOU are making it about race. And coon is a racial slur. Go get some life experience or watch Forrest Gump or something.


I think a lot of people in this thread are assuming a lot of things that there was no conclusive evidence for but rather his word and lots of murky information.

It didn't seem to me he was released because they decided he was completely innocent but rather there was reasonable doubt that he was guilty, which I'm ok with and is how it's supposed to work. I would rather have a guilty person free than an innocent in jail.

But, him being released does not make me think there isn't a lot about this whole thing that stinks and I really do believe he very much is to blame (if only in part) for this boys death.

I think no one except him will ever know what really happened but regardless a boy is dead.
I really strongly agree with this. There was enough 'reasonable doubt' for him to walk, whether or not he was truly guilty. I wish someone had not lost their life that night, regardless of his 'truancy' at school, or if he was a 'felon in the making'. I think that post wins the most disturbing award for this thread.

I must say though, the things I've read on Facebook and the like have been very very disheartening, on both sides of the coin. :(
 

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I wasn't surprise by the verdict at all. Too much reasonable doubt.

I'm still highly disgusted by this thread though. Trayvon was no saint. He skipped school and had stolen things before. Allegedly, he was sent to stay with his father so that his father could keep him under control, which is why he was in the neighborhood in the first place. We don't know if his father could have turned him around, his life cut too short for ANYONE to make a judgment of whether or not he would have grown into a felon.

Zimmerman was far from a saint as well. His girlfriend accused him of domestic violence, even going so far as filing a restraining order on him. He was also arrested for battery of a cop. The only side of the story we have is Zimmerman's. NO ONE knows who actually started the fight, many of you all are just taking Zimmerman's word for it. What if Zimmerman was the first one who got physical? What if he put his hands on the boy first because he thought he could handle the young man, and the young man got the upper hand? It could very well be that Zimmerman, who had training in fighting as well as a gun, was way too over confident that night and pushed the kid's boundaries because he thought he could easily subdue the boy.

And what exactly was Trayvon doing before this whole thing happen? He went to the store to buy his brother some skittles and brought some tea for himself. He was going home when some car started following behind him. He wasn't acting like some "punk", he was going home. Zimmerman thought he was a "suspicious" character and up to no good, so he proceeded to call the police on him and follow the boy. The people here saying it has nothing to do with race for his reasons for following him, all I have to ask is what is the color of your skin? Why do I ask that? Well, being black, this kind of thing happens, especially if your a black male, and almost EVERY black male will have an experience of being prejudge and treated like a potential criminal. It is very, very common, it is just not talked about. I have no doubt in my mind that Trayvon being black is what lead to him being followed in the first place.

Anyways, Trayvon was talking on the phone when Zimmerman started to follow him, and he tells his friend about it. His friend tells him to get away from him, so he tries to do that by crossing through a field or yard( I'm not sure which). This is the time when Zimmerman tells the operator that he is getting away. Trayvon is trying to loose him. Zimmerman gets out of his car, despite the operator telling him not to, to follow him and, what I believe, physically stop Trayvon from leaving so that the police will get there handle it. Trayvon sees this unknown man is still following him, and he tells his friend this and she tells him that she is worried that the guy might be a rapist, which makes Trayvon very nervous. It was then that, the caller lost the connection, and Trayvon and Zimmerman get into an altercation. Who started the fight? Zimmerman claims that Trayvon just up and attack him, but that doesn't make any sense. Why would you just up and attack someone who you were once trying to get away from? I believe that Zimmerman who, once again,was probably overconfident because he was trained to fight AND had a gun, tried to physically stop Trayvon from leaving because he felt he could handle this boy if anything goes bad. Trayvon, who was just told by his friend that the guy might be a potential rapist, was highly defensive and fought back, thinking the guy might very well be a rapist and was determine to stop the threat. Should he have have continue to beat the man after the man started yelling for him help? No, he should have stopped, but who knows what his mindset was? Maybe he was trying to knock the man out because he truly thought that the guy was trying to rape him? If you were being followed by a man in a car, you tried to get away from that man and that man got out of his car to follow you, wouldn't YOU think the man was up to no good?

Either way, we will never know the truth. While I doubt Zimmerman's side of the story, there was too little evidence to convict him, so I think the jurors made the right decision. Not because he truly is innocent, but because there was way too much doubt.
 

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My $.02

- The 'stand your ground law' was not relevant to this case. The 'regular' self defence law was applied. Many people here (and the NAACP) seem to not know that.

- IMO, Zimmerman placed himself in the situation that caused this to occur. That does not make him guilty of murder or manslaughter. It DOES make him an idiot. Being an idiot is not (yet) a crime.

- Zimmerman most likely will (and SHOULD) pay hefty fines and other penalties as the result of the inevitable civil suits. He will never enjoy a normal life. HIS fault.

- I believe the law was correctly applied in this case. This is shocking to me considering the obvious pressure placed upon the prosecution and court from higher. If the DOJ decides to press "civil rights" charges against Zimmerman, that case will also lose and screw the Martin family out of an opportunity to make Zimmerman pay in the civil suits. There is almost zero real evidence, that we know of, to support any kind of civil rights charges.

- THINK, don't 'feel' about this case. The law is about facts, not feelings. Feelings turned this into the spectacle that is was. How sad, for so many reasons.
 

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Go get some life experience or watch Forrest Gump or something.
:rofl1: This made me laugh because it was the first thing I thought of and wanted to say 'UH YES, it definitely is and/or was used as a racial slur, because I saw it in Forrest Gump' but didn't want to seem like an idiot, because that's the only time I've ever heard it.
 
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My $.02

- The 'stand your ground law' was not relevant to this case. The 'regular' self defence law was applied. Many people here (and the NAACP) seem to not know that.
Yep. Stand your ground creates immunity from prosecution decided by the judge in a pretrial hearing. It's the defenses choice to claim it and ask for a hearing and the defenses burden. Wasn't used here.
 

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My $.02

- The 'stand your ground law' was not relevant to this case. The 'regular' self defence law was applied. Many people here (and the NAACP) seem to not know that.

- IMO, Zimmerman placed himself in the situation that caused this to occur. That does not make him guilty of murder or manslaughter. It DOES make him an idiot. Being an idiot is not (yet) a crime.

- Zimmerman most likely will (and SHOULD) pay hefty fines and other penalties as the result of the inevitable civil suits. He will never enjoy a normal life. HIS fault.

- I believe the law was correctly applied in this case. This is shocking to me considering the obvious pressure placed upon the prosecution and court from higher. If the DOJ decides to press "civil rights" charges against Zimmerman, that case will also lose and screw the Martin family out of an opportunity to make Zimmerman pay in the civil suits. There is almost zero real evidence, that we know of, to support any kind of civil rights charges.

- THINK, don't 'feel' about this case. The law is about facts, not feelings. Feelings turned this into the spectacle that is was. How sad, for so many reasons.
Good post.
 

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:rofl1: This made me laugh because it was the first thing I thought of and wanted to say 'UH YES, it definitely is and/or was used as a racial slur, because I saw it in Forrest Gump' but didn't want to seem like an idiot, because that's the only time I've ever heard it.
:lol-sign:

To be totally honest, I spent a good portion of my teen years among some of Florida's finest rednecks. I've unfortunately heard it all, and then some.
 
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I very much worry about a country of people who put "that" much faith in police, what about areas where there are no police or where an officer could be hours away? Then what? If I see someone trespassing on my property you bet your bones I will follow them while armed & use force if nessessary.
I worry about people like YOU who have so little faith in their fellow human being.

probably a good thing you're in a hole somewhere, for everyone
 
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You know a "coon" is slang for a burglar ... Right? Calling someone who you think is stealing or has the mind to steal a "coon" has nothing to do WTH their race & more to do with their actions
I don't mean to single you out, but just reading thru this thread there are only certain ones that give me pause to respond to.

So, are you this obtuse or just that ignorant?
 

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And what exactly was Trayvon doing before this whole thing happen? He went to the store to buy his brother some skittles and brought some tea for himself. He was going home when some car started following behind him. He wasn't acting like some "punk", he was going home. Zimmerman thought he was a "suspicious" character and up to no good, so he proceeded to call the police on him and follow the boy. The people here saying it has nothing to do with race for his reasons for following him, all I have to ask is what is the color of your skin? Why do I ask that? Well, being black, this kind of thing happens, especially if your a black male, and almost EVERY black male will have an experience of being prejudge and treated like a potential criminal. It is very, very common, it is just not talked about. I have no doubt in my mind that Trayvon being black is what lead to him being followed in the first place.
How do we know what he was doing? I mean yeah he'd been to the store so it was logical that he was headed home sometime but I don't think we know what he was doing at the time do we?

There were over 50 black households in the complex, and presumably they would have relatives over etc. Over an 13 month period, there were 402 calls to police from the complex, Zimmerman (who was chosen as the neighborhood watch coordinator) made 7 calls over an 18 month period, only 5 of which were about suspicious men (and in none of them did he volunteer racial information). It doesn't seem like Zimmerman was getting his panties in a wad every time he saw a black guy, so why did he call in about Trayvon? I know that its common for black males to be stereotyped as criminals but that doesn't mean that every time someone interprets a black man as acting suspicious that it is due to a prejudice against black people or even black males.

Anyways, Trayvon was talking on the phone when Zimmerman started to follow him, and he tells his friend about it. His friend tells him to get away from him, so he tries to do that by crossing through a field or yard( I'm not sure which) ... If you were being followed by a man in a car, you tried to get away from that man and that man got out of his car to follow you, wouldn't YOU think the man was up to no good?
I pretty much agree with this. I would also buy that Zimmerman followed to close, Martin went from flight to fight and got aggressive (and I get that that's not a "proper" politically correct response but wouldn't blame someone for smacking someone creeping them like that). As you say Zimmerman was trained to fight and outweighed Martin by 30 lbs or so IIRC, yet I don't believe Martin was physically harmed except for the gunshot. So it doesn't seem like Zimmerman anticipated Martin being aggressive or I'd have thought Martin would have some marks on him too. The series of events you present is totally plausible that it happened. Would give a good explanation for why Martin didn't stop hitting him (if someone follows you and then grabs you, you probably don't want to let them up very quickly).
 

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How do we know what he was doing? I mean yeah he'd been to the store so it was logical that he was headed home sometime but I don't think we know what he was doing at the time do we?

There were over 50 black households in the complex, and presumably they would have relatives over etc. Over an 13 month period, there were 402 calls to police from the complex, Zimmerman (who was chosen as the neighborhood watch coordinator) made 7 calls over an 18 month period, only 5 of which were about suspicious men (and in none of them did he volunteer racial information). It doesn't seem like Zimmerman was getting his panties in a wad every time he saw a black guy, so why did he call in about Trayvon? I know that its common for black males to be stereotyped as criminals but that doesn't mean that every time someone interprets a black man as acting suspicious that it is due to a prejudice against black people or even black males.
Trayvon was black and he had on a hoodie. I believe it is due to how hoodies cover some of your face, but it is intimidating to people, especially if your black with a hoodie on. Trayvon was out at night with a hoodie on. Zimmerman's call to police stated that Trayvon looked suspicious, had his hands in his pocket, walking and looking around.

Geraldo explains the hoodie issue better than me...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...trayvon-martin-hoodie-comments_n_1377014.html
 

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No, YOU are making it about race. And coon is a racial slur. Go get some life experience or watch Forrest Gump or something.
Just because I don't hear all the racial slurs ever used (& I am glad I don't) doesn't mean I have no life experience. :rolleyes:

How can I be making it about race? I am IN a Multi racial relationship!
 

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