Expecting another litter...
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I totally agree Reggin and Jules!!!
As for the PDB, ALOT of people put fake titles and OFA results ect on the pedigrees. Just did a search for my "breeder" and my dog's parents, lets just say I might have to retire my boy earlier than expected if genetics hold through
. Not meaning to hi-jack, I'm just pissed off right now.
As for the PDB, ALOT of people put fake titles and OFA results ect on the pedigrees. Just did a search for my "breeder" and my dog's parents, lets just say I might have to retire my boy earlier than expected if genetics hold through
. Not meaning to hi-jack, I'm just pissed off right now.
I commend you for coming back and making your statement. It is TRULY more than I thought you would do, and quite honestly, I don't know if I would have had the same courage to do so.
I won't go so far as to say it fixes the lies that you told, but it is definitely a step in the right direction.
As to your dogs, now the question is what are you going to do about it? Are you going to be upfront with potential puppy buyers? Are you going to come clean with the buyers of the previous litter? Are you going to do things the proper way before you breed again? And yes, that includes the bitch you are getting ready to breed your boy to in the OP.
I don't think you should leave this forum or any other. We have ALL made mistakes of one kind or another and sharing and learning together is one way to help ensure those mistakes never happen again.
I won't go so far as to say it fixes the lies that you told, but it is definitely a step in the right direction.
As to your dogs, now the question is what are you going to do about it? Are you going to be upfront with potential puppy buyers? Are you going to come clean with the buyers of the previous litter? Are you going to do things the proper way before you breed again? And yes, that includes the bitch you are getting ready to breed your boy to in the OP.
I don't think you should leave this forum or any other. We have ALL made mistakes of one kind or another and sharing and learning together is one way to help ensure those mistakes never happen again.
I did. The first step is to slow down and stop making bad mistakes. Learn from the screw-ups you've already made. Take a step back and look at what you're doing, then talk to reputable breed people before you move forward with whatever you're planning.
People know I've made some horrendous mistakes in the past. Very few choose to hold it against me in light of the good I'm doing now, and also considering I use my checkered history with my breed to help keep others from making the same mistakes. Keep on truckin', just take a different route than the road you've been on.
People know I've made some horrendous mistakes in the past. Very few choose to hold it against me in light of the good I'm doing now, and also considering I use my checkered history with my breed to help keep others from making the same mistakes. Keep on truckin', just take a different route than the road you've been on.
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I did. The first step is to slow down and stop making bad mistakes. Learn from the screw-ups you've already made. Take a step back and look at what you're doing, then talk to reputable breed people before you move forward with whatever you're planning.
People know I've made some horrendous mistakes in the past. Very few choose to hold it against me in light of the good I'm doing now, and also considering I use my checkered history with my breed to help keep others from making the same mistakes. Keep on truckin', just take a different route than the road you've been on.
People know I've made some horrendous mistakes in the past. Very few choose to hold it against me in light of the good I'm doing now, and also considering I use my checkered history with my breed to help keep others from making the same mistakes. Keep on truckin', just take a different route than the road you've been on.
Best post on this thread so far.
OP, listen up.
Bahamamutt, take a bow.
I think it is a huge step to come clean, even if you were backed into a corner to do it... Honestly I bet it takes a TON of weight off your shoulders!
I know of VERY reputable breeders in my breed that do nothing wrong "officially" but gamble the genetics of the breed like others gamble at slots..... And often have to be backed into a corner in order to get ANY truth out of them about the genetic background of some of their dogs.... These are people others think of as their mentors. To me that is MUCH worse than someone making even really bad mistakes as they learn because these breeders are well respected, well established and have the power to influence their breed...
I know of VERY reputable breeders in my breed that do nothing wrong "officially" but gamble the genetics of the breed like others gamble at slots..... And often have to be backed into a corner in order to get ANY truth out of them about the genetic background of some of their dogs.... These are people others think of as their mentors. To me that is MUCH worse than someone making even really bad mistakes as they learn because these breeders are well respected, well established and have the power to influence their breed...
Glad to assist. This is just another example of using one's previous rocky road to help others out. You can get past it. It's a lot of work, but worth it. I like to see people with character work through their past and turn it into something really great. It's more meaningful, IMO, than those who start out knowing everything and doing it all right.
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Glad to assist. This is just another example of using one's previous rocky road to help others out. You can get past it. It's a lot of work, but worth it. I like to see people with character work through their past and turn it into something really great. It's more meaningful, IMO, than those who start out knowing everything and doing it all right.
Now if only he would check back in. I was hoping he would not be scared away...
Are you going to update Ty's titles on your website also?
It's nice that you owned up to your lies and actions, I just hope your puppy owners will be notified and you make it up to your breed in the future.
Baha... great post... and VomDom I hope you do stay on the forum. I would like to see the progress you make and how you go about changing your practices and program.
It's nice that you owned up to your lies and actions, I just hope your puppy owners will be notified and you make it up to your breed in the future.
Baha... great post... and VomDom I hope you do stay on the forum. I would like to see the progress you make and how you go about changing your practices and program.
I totally agree with Bahamutt. One of my first posts here was me thinking that Lucy was pregnant. She wasn't, think goodness, but it was a huge wake-up call that I needed to be more responsible. I got huffy and offended by some responses but I'm so glad they were that direct with me. I can say now by learning and owning up I've become a better owner 10x over.
One of my first posts here was me thinking that Lucy was pregnant. She wasn't, think goodness, but it was a huge wake-up call that I needed to be more responsible. I got huffy and offended by some responses but I'm so glad they were that direct with me. I can say now by learning and owning up I've become a better owner 10x over.
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Why would you think to just leave? Bahamutt's first post to this thread was so very :hail: in that Baha had been there-done-that and is person-enough to actually bring it up, just to help you out and assure that you can do it too. That's pretty awesome and inspiring!! But you can't do it by either running away or advancing/continuing attempts to cover problems ... either of those only guarantees it will stick like glue rather than fade to the past. You already took the first steps and that's awesome too, but it is entirely up to YOU how it's all gonna turn out.
Yes!! All forums have their perpetual critics and curmudgeons. Take it from the source, it's usually THEIR problem rather than everyone else's! Consider those types are prolly the worst "runners" of all .... generally unhappy people in all areas who can't ever run from themselves, so instead they trash others. Think of it that way and you can almost pity them ... but feel far more sorry for the poor souls that have to live offline with those sorry-arsed acid-tongue types! :yikes:
Yeah, a ton of politics and clique-ishness in all areas of the dog world ... no different than any other pursuit. Some people are in it more to advance themselves and their own egos rather than their breed, sport, training method, or whatever else.
In breeding there are instances of too much reliance on certain sires, not enough attention to minimizing breed-specific health problems, "creative" record-keeping, false accusations against other breeders of the same type dogs, purposeful emphasis on appearance over health and/or temperament, and other questionable practices along with active attempts to hide the truth.
Some show breeders turn up their noses at breeders of working lines, some working line breeders roll their eyes at show breeders. There's jealousy, back-stabbing and a tendency to "eat their young" when evaluating new breeders even when new ones are well-prepared and not making mistakes. Owner "support" from breeders can go anywhere from very little to absolute stalking. Not saying it's all bad, but it isn't all rosey either. Breeders who do the right thing despite negative pressures are the ones to be admired!
Don't think I'd personally ever want to go into breeding, for many reasons but primarily because I know I'd worry too much about the dam and pups! Prolly set up a cot next to the whelping box with a nearby phone on speed-dial to the vet, all the while re-reading the Merck veterinary manual along with anything new on care, socialization, neural stimulation, etc., etc., etc. ::sigh::
Yes!! All forums have their perpetual critics and curmudgeons. Take it from the source, it's usually THEIR problem rather than everyone else's! Consider those types are prolly the worst "runners" of all .... generally unhappy people in all areas who can't ever run from themselves, so instead they trash others. Think of it that way and you can almost pity them ... but feel far more sorry for the poor souls that have to live offline with those sorry-arsed acid-tongue types! :yikes:
Yeah, a ton of politics and clique-ishness in all areas of the dog world ... no different than any other pursuit. Some people are in it more to advance themselves and their own egos rather than their breed, sport, training method, or whatever else.
In breeding there are instances of too much reliance on certain sires, not enough attention to minimizing breed-specific health problems, "creative" record-keeping, false accusations against other breeders of the same type dogs, purposeful emphasis on appearance over health and/or temperament, and other questionable practices along with active attempts to hide the truth.
Some show breeders turn up their noses at breeders of working lines, some working line breeders roll their eyes at show breeders. There's jealousy, back-stabbing and a tendency to "eat their young" when evaluating new breeders even when new ones are well-prepared and not making mistakes. Owner "support" from breeders can go anywhere from very little to absolute stalking. Not saying it's all bad, but it isn't all rosey either. Breeders who do the right thing despite negative pressures are the ones to be admired!
Don't think I'd personally ever want to go into breeding, for many reasons but primarily because I know I'd worry too much about the dam and pups! Prolly set up a cot next to the whelping box with a nearby phone on speed-dial to the vet, all the while re-reading the Merck veterinary manual along with anything new on care, socialization, neural stimulation, etc., etc., etc. ::sigh::