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Ear cropping?
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I love a good crop on a dobe. I know people have yelled at me for it before but I just don't think they look right without it. THey were not bred to have thick ears and if they are not cropped they do rip easilly. I've seen two rescues with horribly mangled natural ears. And if you see a good crop on a dobe you know that person put more effort into it than just any regular dog owner. It isn't easy to get those ears to stand right! They show their expression through the ears and I think thats where they get the regal look to their head.
We originally were not going to crop my boy because our vet convinced us it was cruel and horrible. So he gets an ear infection and the vet treats it for like three weeks running up a huge bill. We finally took him to another vet who said if we cropped him it would go away and it did(that vet didn't do the crop, it was a long drive for that). He has never had an ear infection since. He actually showed no pain after the crop and was so much better after that ear infection was gone. He hadn't even been able to move his head without pain when he had it. We obviously don't go to the first vet anymore.
Many of the crops were originally done so in a fight,with people or other animals, the ears would not get injured. The breeds were bred to look right with these crops. Should they have bred them with naturally standing ears? Sure. But they didn't. My dog had no problem with it and he is the hugest baby ever. And people do have horror stories about it but that is because the look for the cheapest they can find to do the crop. It shouldn't be something cheap. I know there is a video clip somewhere of a boxer getting it done but I don't hae it bookmarked. HTere really shouldn't be much blood when it is done at all.
I just wonder why it is cruel though when it really causes such miminal pain. I always wonder about that when people get their dogs fixed with no problem but that actually is a huge risk adn they are in pain(not saying it is a bad thing but I hear of dogs dying in that surgery and from complications but never from a crop). I think of my boy getting his ears done like me getting my wisdom teeth out(except I think that was more painfull!). i do think it is stupid when people do it to make their dogs look mean but I'm not going to say it should be outlawed or anything. I'm pretty sure our breeder would have been mad if we hadn't cropped(they usually got it done but litter came while they were movoing). They pour their hearts and souls into the breed and they want it to look perfect. Without the crop they just look like another hound.
Here is my baby http://www.dogster.com/?23112
And believie me,if it had hurt him at all i would be the first person to say never to get it done. He is the most spoiled dog i know. I think it might be different for a lot of you because you probally haven't been around it a lot. I would expect it to hurt him a lot to. I've been around cropped dogs a long time. even though I sometimes prefer a boxer without it. I think it makes them cute!
If you want to see more join this dobe forum and look through some pics and articles where they talk about it. They are all much more informed than me.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/11341 -for some reason its not coming up right now. Maybe try later. There is a real good thread somewhere about to crop or not.
just to add- The dobe is my breed. I love it and i wil never own anything else. I like the crop and if I didn't then i would not have looked into the breed in the first place. If it became illegal to do her eI would still own them I would just fight like hell to make it legal again. My dogs who are great,shouldn't have to suffer because some wacko vets do bad crops adn people fight their cropped dogs.
We originally were not going to crop my boy because our vet convinced us it was cruel and horrible. So he gets an ear infection and the vet treats it for like three weeks running up a huge bill. We finally took him to another vet who said if we cropped him it would go away and it did(that vet didn't do the crop, it was a long drive for that). He has never had an ear infection since. He actually showed no pain after the crop and was so much better after that ear infection was gone. He hadn't even been able to move his head without pain when he had it. We obviously don't go to the first vet anymore.
Many of the crops were originally done so in a fight,with people or other animals, the ears would not get injured. The breeds were bred to look right with these crops. Should they have bred them with naturally standing ears? Sure. But they didn't. My dog had no problem with it and he is the hugest baby ever. And people do have horror stories about it but that is because the look for the cheapest they can find to do the crop. It shouldn't be something cheap. I know there is a video clip somewhere of a boxer getting it done but I don't hae it bookmarked. HTere really shouldn't be much blood when it is done at all.
I just wonder why it is cruel though when it really causes such miminal pain. I always wonder about that when people get their dogs fixed with no problem but that actually is a huge risk adn they are in pain(not saying it is a bad thing but I hear of dogs dying in that surgery and from complications but never from a crop). I think of my boy getting his ears done like me getting my wisdom teeth out(except I think that was more painfull!). i do think it is stupid when people do it to make their dogs look mean but I'm not going to say it should be outlawed or anything. I'm pretty sure our breeder would have been mad if we hadn't cropped(they usually got it done but litter came while they were movoing). They pour their hearts and souls into the breed and they want it to look perfect. Without the crop they just look like another hound.
Here is my baby http://www.dogster.com/?23112
And believie me,if it had hurt him at all i would be the first person to say never to get it done. He is the most spoiled dog i know. I think it might be different for a lot of you because you probally haven't been around it a lot. I would expect it to hurt him a lot to. I've been around cropped dogs a long time. even though I sometimes prefer a boxer without it. I think it makes them cute!
If you want to see more join this dobe forum and look through some pics and articles where they talk about it. They are all much more informed than me.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/11341 -for some reason its not coming up right now. Maybe try later. There is a real good thread somewhere about to crop or not.
just to add- The dobe is my breed. I love it and i wil never own anything else. I like the crop and if I didn't then i would not have looked into the breed in the first place. If it became illegal to do her eI would still own them I would just fight like hell to make it legal again. My dogs who are great,shouldn't have to suffer because some wacko vets do bad crops adn people fight their cropped dogs.
I really hate cropping and docking i think its ugly and only makes the dog look meaner in a way. I know both Zeus and Babe have cropped ears but they were cropped before either dog came into my life. i often wonder what they would look like with out cropped ears like Tundra does. Oh well because of some peoples idea of what a dog should look like I will never know.
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Getting a dog spayed/neutered has a totally different reason from cropping. Spaying and Neutering are keeping the population of puppies and dogs down. If people didn't spay/neuter their dogs then we would have a very big overpopulation of dogs on the streets. Then tons of animals would be starving and being killed. Thus spaying/neutering is something that is done for good reason, cropping for cosmetic reasons are different. Looks of a dog, IMO, isn't a good reason to put the dog through any pain. But that is just what I think. I haven't heard anything yet that will change my opinion, but I will look on that site and see what they have to say on the subject.
Thank you Joce for providing your information. And your dog is cute, with or without cropped ears.
Oh and the vet telling you to crop your dogs ears to get rid of an ear infection is questionable. I don't understand why a vet would put a dog through all that and have you pay all that money just for an ear infection. Cropping the ears stopped the ear infection, probably because it aired out the ear canal. But I am betting that there where other ways to get rid of it, but then again I am not a vet.
Thank you Joce for providing your information. And your dog is cute, with or without cropped ears.
Oh and the vet telling you to crop your dogs ears to get rid of an ear infection is questionable. I don't understand why a vet would put a dog through all that and have you pay all that money just for an ear infection. Cropping the ears stopped the ear infection, probably because it aired out the ear canal. But I am betting that there where other ways to get rid of it, but then again I am not a vet.
the first vet was an idiot for not admitting he would be fixed by getting a crop. I'll never forgive the guy for letting my dog go through all that pain just to push his cause. He even admitted it would help it later. It was better since the ear canal is aired out.The second vet was very no nonsence about it. He is my favorite vet I've ever taken them too. He used to not even charge for office visits becuase he had corgis too but his place burned down(it was a hard thing for him, he lost his office kitties) so then he had to start charging but since I respect the guy so much he could charge twice the other guy and I would stil go to him. He was my horse vet too. I really like the guy.
I agree about the fixing thing its just that if you haven't seen a crop done I don't think you get that the pain is pretty much non existant. They even get pain pills. I don't think the risk is that bad with eitheir I just think its odd to say that one is ok when you could just keep your dog away from others to solve the problem.(I do think everyone should fix there dogs by the way ,I am just pointing out that this is like getting a mole removed compared to that surgery,like taking some cartillage off your ear). That dobe forum is great! Its not often you get to see actual showers and breeders talking and not some byb. They have the most gorgoues dogs in the world too. If I wasn't so intimadated I would love to show dobes but it seems they are one of the more competative breeds to show so I don't think I'm quite up to it. Maybe soemday!
ANd the ear infection was so bad that he couldn't move his head without crying out. It was horrible. I have never seen a dog in so much pain. He couldn't have lived like that for too much longer. He couldn't even run around,he'd just sulk. It makes me want to hurt that vet thinking about it.
I agree about the fixing thing its just that if you haven't seen a crop done I don't think you get that the pain is pretty much non existant. They even get pain pills. I don't think the risk is that bad with eitheir I just think its odd to say that one is ok when you could just keep your dog away from others to solve the problem.(I do think everyone should fix there dogs by the way
,I am just pointing out that this is like getting a mole removed compared to that surgery,like taking some cartillage off your ear). That dobe forum is great! Its not often you get to see actual showers and breeders talking and not some byb. They have the most gorgoues dogs in the world too. If I wasn't so intimadated I would love to show dobes but it seems they are one of the more competative breeds to show so I don't think I'm quite up to it. Maybe soemday!ANd the ear infection was so bad that he couldn't move his head without crying out. It was horrible. I have never seen a dog in so much pain. He couldn't have lived like that for too much longer. He couldn't even run around,he'd just sulk. It makes me want to hurt that vet thinking about it.
Wake up and read about breeds and which are usually cropped and which have the natual ear set. I've always loved the beautiful natural ears on a GS....the well bred ones. Yes, I do think some cropping makes the head look more majectic..but if God wanted them like that He would have given them GS ears ...or many ,many other ears. I's hate to think what Chip (Golden) or Hunter (Lab) would look like cropped !! Or how about a bassett ??
cropping a dogs ears is a painful and unecasary process puppies as young as 12 weeks are put through.
It makes there ears stand up, makes the dog look more agressive, especially when used on dobermans and pitbulls, this just adds to there prejudice thoughts and feelings about these particular breeds.
it has no reason except for appearence, though some people will tell you it helps their ears stay clean and dry. This is not true, it has no reason.
DOGS USE THEir ears in their very important body labguage, ear cropping limits this communication drasticly
It makes there ears stand up, makes the dog look more agressive, especially when used on dobermans and pitbulls, this just adds to there prejudice thoughts and feelings about these particular breeds.
it has no reason except for appearence, though some people will tell you it helps their ears stay clean and dry. This is not true, it has no reason.
DOGS USE THEir ears in their very important body labguage, ear cropping limits this communication drasticly
Cropping German Shepherd ears???? They stand up on their own! I can't imagine what kind of nutburger would have GSD ears cropped - or what kind of vet would consent to do it, for that matter.
No, Scob - not yelling at you, lol - you know I wouldn't - I just can't imagine . . . cropping German Shepherd ears!?! Maybe they aren't full blooded and the ears didn't stand up so they had them cropped to appear full blooded . . .
No, Scob - not yelling at you, lol - you know I wouldn't - I just can't imagine . . . cropping German Shepherd ears!?! Maybe they aren't full blooded and the ears didn't stand up so they had them cropped to appear full blooded . . .
in my opinion..unless a tail is damaged eg broken..it should be left alone..and cropping is just plain a sad practice to once again make the human happy..not the dog. If they give you pain pills for the dog..it is because it hurts and l look at the poor ol pitbulls ears and think how wonderful they would look if they weren't hacked off.
