do you find being called Ma'am annoying?

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Puck, I would say we put different weights on what are largely the same values. What is more important: tradition or personal preference? Formal respect or informal friendliness? But then, that is exactly your point, I think :D

I will say this . . . if someone asks you to call them by their first name, do NOT call them ma'am. I got fired for that once. I kid you not.
Southern upbringing vs. modern corporate pseudo-friendly paranoid who was sure I was mocking her.

Nope, I'd just forgotten her name.

And I was raised that you could not go wrong with ma'am. Oops. Apparently, I should have just asked her name again.

So, at least in something that unimportant, just call them what ever they want to be called!

Personally, I don't mind it, and I don't mind being addressed as Ms. either. My attitude is that I will tell you when you can use my given name (which I will actually tell you right away, but I do feel its presumptuous to just start using it . . .especially since if you don't know me, you're probably using the wrong name, since the only people who use my legal first name work for the government or telemarketers). When addressing clients, they are always Mr. or Ms. until they tell me otherwise or they call me by my given name; it always feels really odd to me to just shoot off an e-mail to "Joe" who I've never met and who I work for, and who is probably twice my age.

Inside the firm is hard . . . officially, the attorneys are all on a first name basis, but some of the partners actually prefer to be called Mr. or Ms. and screw firm policy. So I pretty much call anyone vastly older or vastly senior to me Mr. or Ms. and let them correct me . . or I ask some one who knows them. On the converse, I'm bothered by younger attorneys who force staff members thirty or forty years older than they, but their inferiors in the hierarchy, to address them as Mr. or Ms.
 
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I just dont see why adding ma'am/sir to something makes it repectful. It's tone and intent, the word is superfluous. So to me, saying it's a sign of respect, why? Then again, growing up the only children who said it were forced to and had very strict controlling parents who I feel did not show their children respect.
 

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When I was in the south, it was extremely offensive to me. You know they didn't give a flip, they were just doing it to either A) tick you off if you were a northerner or B) follow through their empty "respect". Yeah, sure. "value system". It's about as respectful as "bless your heart". And if you haven't been to the south, it's all "f*ck you!".

No one calls me ma'am here. They ask you what you would like to be called. If they are trying to get your attention and it is a stranger, they will say "excuse me".

Meaning DOES go a long way.
 
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Wow, Lyzelle. Seems like you had an awfully bad experience with the south. That sure isn't the way it is around here.

I do find it amusing when my southern ways stand out so badly in Chicago. But I certainly don't go out of my way to p*** people off.
 

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Well, to me it would seem since it's supposed to be a mark of respect to the other person then you should respect their wishes. If the person calling them isn't doing it as a sign of respect to the other person but rather for some self serving (not judging here, just the best word I could find) purpose then I say continue on.

But I don't think you can call it a sign of repsect and continue on when someone asks you to stop.
Exactly!! If you are trying to show respect then it IS about the other person, not about you. If you don't care what the person wishes to be called then use what ever. If someone asked me to call them Mr....., or Ma'am then unless they were a total jerk and I didn't WANT to show respect I would accept their wishes.
 
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Oh and my husband is from Texas.;) He does not use nor prefer ma'am/sir. Like me, not offended by it but finds it kind of silly that it somehow is more polite or respectful to use it.
 
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Exactly!! If you are trying to show respect then it IS about the other person, not about you. If you don't care what the person wishes to be called then use what ever. If someone asked me to call them Mr....., or Ma'am then unless they were a total jerk and I didn't WANT to show respect I would accept their wishes.
That brings to mind a question. Would you find it odd or rude if you started calling someone by their first name and they asked you to instead call them Mr/Ms so-and-so?
 
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That brings to mind a question. Would you find it odd or rude if you started calling someone by their first name and they asked you to instead call them Mr/Ms so-and-so?
I wouldn't find it rude but I would find it odd being where I live. Kinda like whe someone insists on calling pop, soda.

I will say that I find it hysterical that there is more controversy in whether or not it's annoying to call someone ma'am or sir than in the Crufts thread
 

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I just dont see why adding ma'am/sir to something makes it repectful. It's tone and intent, the word is superfluous. So to me, saying it's a sign of respect, why? Then again, growing up the only children who said it were forced to and had very strict controlling parents who I feel did not show their children respect.
This is a bit of what I was talking about. I do not see the word as being superfluous. How can it be when the person using it is genuine? As much as you dislike being called "m'am", I equally dislike addressing a person who I do not know any other way.

I don't know where you grew up, but my experience is it was not forced, rather it was taught. (What parents are supposed to do. Be parents, not buddies.*) Simply put, you respect other people and addressing people respectfully is one way to show said respect. The whole "give respect to get it" thing. ( I know, I know.... I am very guilty of NOT doing this very thing. That was the past, promise.)

* I think that might be part of the hang up. Some people choose to see parents 'forcing' their children to address other people respectfully as just that, 'force'. I simply disagree. Its my job to teach her.

Like I said, we all draw our values from different sources. Somehow, we have to learn how to get along, without trying to force one another to compromise our value systems.
 
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I equally dislike addressing a person who I do not know any other way.
But then it becomes about you rather than the other person. Which is fine, but then I don't think you can then turn around and say it's a sign of respect for that person.
 

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I just dont see why adding ma'am/sir to something makes it repectful. It's tone and intent, the word is superfluous. So to me, saying it's a sign of respect, why? Then again, growing up the only children who said it were forced to and had very strict controlling parents who I feel did not show their children respect.
Well i can assure you that is not the case around here. Yes children here are instructed to say ma'am/sir, mr/mrs etc but i would say it by far the minority that have controlling parents who don't respect their kids. Our relationship with hannah is certainly not one where we are controllng and don't show her any respect. Quite the opposite actually and i find that to be the ase with the majority of families i know here.

Unless its laced with sarasm, i think its pretty widely understood that mr/mrs ma'am/sir etc is usually said as a sign of respect and not some hidden dig about your age, looks, etc.

Anytime i have ever asked someone "what should we call you" i uually just get a weird look and an " uhhh just call me joe i guess". Seems to create more uncomfortableness than it prevents
 

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But then it becomes about you rather than the other person. Which is fine, but then I don't think you can then turn around and say it's a sign of respect for that person.
All I can say is....

"Like I said, we all draw our values from different sources. Somehow, we have to learn how to get along, without trying to force one another to compromise our value systems."
 

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I don't see it as always forcing, more cultural. I personally dislike it because its not normal to me. It seems impersonal.

I also don't think it has anything to do with being 'buddies' or not buddies with your kids. I don't think respecting someone has anything to do (or not do) with giving an generic impersonal term to call people by. I think parents can teach respect with teaching them to use honorifics, or not. Same as I think parents can fail to teach it even with drilling their kids to use a term like Sir, or Ma'am.

I DO have a child that I get constant compliments from adults about his manners and how he acts around them (no this is not a mom saying her kid is perfect.. he is FAR from perfect) But he does realize that all humans deserve to be treated with respect. He is also very relaxed and polite around adults, he calls them what ever it is they wish to be called. Most adults in the dog world ask to be called by their names. He does not treat them any differently than the teachers or parents who wish to be called Mr.... or Mrs...
 

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And hannah is the same. Always gets compliments on her manners. Not ecause we force her or drill it into her. Mostly she learns her manners by listening to us use our manners in day to day life. She is comfortable with adults and talks to them quite easily. Just goes to show there is no one right or wrong way.

I dont know why we have to analyze everything though. Why can't it just be taken in the spirit in which in was intended
 

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I find it fun to analyze things, to look at things some people do without thinking, to look at things some people find annoying.

If anything this thread has shown is that there is a fair number of people who dislike being called Ma'am. Its nice to know I am not alone :)
 

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Wow, Lyzelle. Seems like you had an awfully bad experience with the south. That sure isn't the way it is around here.

I do find it amusing when my southern ways stand out so badly in Chicago. But I certainly don't go out of my way to p*** people off.
Definitely bad experience. And I have been to Texas, and loved it! Spent a week there when my DH graduated from basic. Loooved it.

But Mississippi and Memphis area? Not so much! Lol. They were very dramatic, very judgmental, very hateful people. Little wonder why the murder counts are so high in that area, I guess. Lived there 7 years, and will never go back.
 
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No, I'm not bothered. Ma'am sounds.. older, though? It's only strange because I would expect "miss" over "ma'am" If they don't know my name I don't know what else they would say to get my attention.
 

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