CM gets bitten... again (vid included)
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Wow, when I got home from work and saw how many pages this was, I figured CM himself had come on board the and was talking about it.
He'd never have had to worry about getting bit by my dogs in that situation. By the time he'd struck that absurd ninja pose (seriously, how was he not laughing?), I'd have recovered enough from the shock to smack him across the face. Nobody gets to attack or hit my dogs, and a grown man gets no gentle reminders.
Honestly, the comments by Ruby make me sick to my stomach. I have no issues with someone saying they wouldn't own the dog in question. I don't even think saying "I'd put that dog to sleep if I owned it" is completely off the wall. If you weren't willing to do the training to fix the resource guarding, and you had a kid...sure, maybe. I'm not a huge fan of rehoming dogs with bite histories. I think anyone with half a brain and a lick of patience could make that dog safe, but I get that some people wouldn't want to.
But calling a dog a POS? Saying they are worthless? Cycle through the bad ones until you find one worth keeping? That is nauseating to me, and it breaks my heart. There are many people on this forum - heck, many on this thread - that I've disagreed with very strongly in the past. We've had opinions that are so far on opposite ends of the scale that it seems like we are from different worlds sometimes. But I've never felt that someone was missing such a huge chunk of their soul before. I've never doubted the passion or compassion anyone here had for animals. Even as I sit here, my stomach is in knots having read it 10 minutes ago.
I can't fathom that anything would change Ruby's mind, but let me put this out there: Please, in the name of all that is holy, do not allow your children to visit their friend's houses if those people have pets. Play time at your house only. Children who have that sense of entitlement over the bodies of an animal are going to get badly hurt at some point unless you monitor them constantly. Don't trust that someone else is going to be expecting your child to sit on their dog, pull its ears, or tug on the tail, because most kids are taught not to do so. The damage a dog can do is bad enough; I can't fathom the amount of damage that would come of a child with that attitude if they were near a horse. A scarred up face from a bite is nothing compared to brain matter splattered across a stall wall.
He'd never have had to worry about getting bit by my dogs in that situation. By the time he'd struck that absurd ninja pose (seriously, how was he not laughing?), I'd have recovered enough from the shock to smack him across the face. Nobody gets to attack or hit my dogs, and a grown man gets no gentle reminders.
Honestly, the comments by Ruby make me sick to my stomach. I have no issues with someone saying they wouldn't own the dog in question. I don't even think saying "I'd put that dog to sleep if I owned it" is completely off the wall. If you weren't willing to do the training to fix the resource guarding, and you had a kid...sure, maybe. I'm not a huge fan of rehoming dogs with bite histories. I think anyone with half a brain and a lick of patience could make that dog safe, but I get that some people wouldn't want to.
But calling a dog a POS? Saying they are worthless? Cycle through the bad ones until you find one worth keeping? That is nauseating to me, and it breaks my heart. There are many people on this forum - heck, many on this thread - that I've disagreed with very strongly in the past. We've had opinions that are so far on opposite ends of the scale that it seems like we are from different worlds sometimes. But I've never felt that someone was missing such a huge chunk of their soul before. I've never doubted the passion or compassion anyone here had for animals. Even as I sit here, my stomach is in knots having read it 10 minutes ago.
I can't fathom that anything would change Ruby's mind, but let me put this out there: Please, in the name of all that is holy, do not allow your children to visit their friend's houses if those people have pets. Play time at your house only. Children who have that sense of entitlement over the bodies of an animal are going to get badly hurt at some point unless you monitor them constantly. Don't trust that someone else is going to be expecting your child to sit on their dog, pull its ears, or tug on the tail, because most kids are taught not to do so. The damage a dog can do is bad enough; I can't fathom the amount of damage that would come of a child with that attitude if they were near a horse. A scarred up face from a bite is nothing compared to brain matter splattered across a stall wall.
I agree, especially since my dog is one of those worthless POS animals that should be taken out back and used as target practice. I guess I should just kill him and get more dogs until I find one with some value. Because obviously the fact that I deeply love him, have a bond with him, and think he's an incredibly fun, affectionate, and devoted little dog means nothing. He shows aggression and is thus a worthless POS.
Yup I'm overemotional, but it's upsetting when people tell you your dog should be killed and has no worth, and your not the first person to do it and I wasn't allowed to say anything to them so you get to hear my spiel.
Yup I'm overemotional, but it's upsetting when people tell you your dog should be killed and has no worth, and your not the first person to do it and I wasn't allowed to say anything to them so you get to hear my spiel.
I can expect every person I meet hand me 50 dollars for experiencing my aweseomness. That doesn't make it reasonable.
A dog will be a dog. If abused it can bite. It can bite if harrassed or scared.
Do you hold humans to such degrees? If your child hurts my dog and causes damage can I say I want your child put down due to lack of manners and training?
Why hold a dog to a standard you wouldn't hold your children or another memeber of your specices....
A dog will be a dog. If abused it can bite. It can bite if harrassed or scared.
Do you hold humans to such degrees? If your child hurts my dog and causes damage can I say I want your child put down due to lack of manners and training?
Why hold a dog to a standard you wouldn't hold your children or another memeber of your specices....
I agree! My APBT will tolerate just about anything from a child. She has had a boy come up to her and stomp on her tail and smack her in the head before and all she did was cower. My pit/lab mix, however, will NOT tolerate any such disrespect from a child. He will, and has bitten an abusive child before. It was not my dogs fault, but the parents of the child. So I agree with this. If your children can't respect dogs, keep them away from them.
I am sure Dekka (and her daughter) would be biters with the wrong owner.
Yet Dekka has been an abssador of her breed. She has been handled by 100s upon 100s of children at large events representing JRTs. She has titles in many dog sports. She has been in movies and commercials.
She has also been the single best dog on the planet for me and my household.
But just think. If I had seen her food guarding tendancies in her as a pup and lablelled her as a POS and had her killed I would have missed the best canine partner I could have imagined. Heck better than I could have imagined.
I feel terribly sorry for Ruby and people like her. What a bleak world that must be, lacking empathy and the ability to work through problems. A world without hope of improvement where every animal must be taken at face value and discarded if not perfect out of the box.
Yet Dekka has been an abssador of her breed. She has been handled by 100s upon 100s of children at large events representing JRTs. She has titles in many dog sports. She has been in movies and commercials.
She has also been the single best dog on the planet for me and my household.
But just think. If I had seen her food guarding tendancies in her as a pup and lablelled her as a POS and had her killed I would have missed the best canine partner I could have imagined. Heck better than I could have imagined.
I feel terribly sorry for Ruby and people like her. What a bleak world that must be, lacking empathy and the ability to work through problems. A world without hope of improvement where every animal must be taken at face value and discarded if not perfect out of the box.
How are dog bites like Tetris? http://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/how-are-dog-bites-like-tetris
And...this thread...wow.
And...this thread...wow.
Very, very good article. It is just what Jean Donaldson describes in her book. And the game is a perfect analogy. CM dumps stressor after stressor onto that dog and who knows what happened to stress the dog out prior...just during the normal course of his day. Pile it on and then go in for the kill with the ninja stance, looming over, shoving his hand in his food, then slugging her in the neck....stressor on stressor. And how do you like it when he says, "I wasn't expecting that." Well, anyone with any brain activity that isn't completely occluded by ego like that could see that it very well might happen. How could that owner stand there and trust someone beating up on his dog? It just infuriates me. He must be doing this solely for the money...from the drama, the action, the attention. He couldn't really think this is right, could he? Even after all the respected behaviorists and veterinary behaviorists with advanced degrees in this stuff point these things out? Surely he must see those things....and still he persists? What the heck is wrong with someone like that?
When my dad's puppy Zoey was about 14? 15 weeks old? something like that, anyway, she growled at my sister over a bone. So they instituted a trading policy and had my sister do 2-5 minutes of heavily rewarded puppy push-ups throughout the day (because Zoey didn't see my sister as someone to listen to), and now she's perfectly happy to let anyone in the household take anything from her. She gets this OH BOY WHAT HAPPENS NOW look on her face when you take something good from her. She's reactive enough that I think it'd have been fairly easy to get her to this sort of state, and with a stranger it'd be 1000 times worse.
I haven't read the entire 30 pages here, but did ANYONE see the entire episode ?
I did, the people got this dog as a puppy from a parking lot. She started exhibiting severe food aggression around 5-6 months old. The husband was shown having the dog sit/stay put the dish down and release dog (the dog had very good solid obed btw), then the husband started MESSING with the dogs food bowl with a BROOM..The dog went ballistic. Now how many times the guy did this previously is anyones guess , but I'm guessing ALOT.
The dog had previously bitten the husband and wife, over food. They now have a 3 year old kid. Outside of food, that dog was well behaved, social, good with people, kids, other animals, food involved all bets were off.
Enter cesaer. I won't give my opinion on what he did, there's enough here why rehash it?
I'm not a fan of his, fast forward, the dog became worse as shown in a clip, in it's crate going 'bonkers' biting the crate wire. (I don't know if the owner was egging him on)
Ceasar took the dog because they were all concerned if their kid had food, what could happen, and legitimately so.
Again, I don't approve of his methods, but that dog was a ticking time bomb in that families home. It was decided to keep the dog at Ceasar's, since he said the dog could never be trusted with food around small kids.
The way I see it, if the dog stayed where it was, it would be dead by now, where it is, atleast she's got a home for life..
I did, the people got this dog as a puppy from a parking lot. She started exhibiting severe food aggression around 5-6 months old. The husband was shown having the dog sit/stay put the dish down and release dog (the dog had very good solid obed btw), then the husband started MESSING with the dogs food bowl with a BROOM..The dog went ballistic. Now how many times the guy did this previously is anyones guess , but I'm guessing ALOT.
The dog had previously bitten the husband and wife, over food. They now have a 3 year old kid. Outside of food, that dog was well behaved, social, good with people, kids, other animals, food involved all bets were off.
Enter cesaer. I won't give my opinion on what he did, there's enough here why rehash it?
I'm not a fan of his, fast forward, the dog became worse as shown in a clip, in it's crate going 'bonkers' biting the crate wire. (I don't know if the owner was egging him on)
Ceasar took the dog because they were all concerned if their kid had food, what could happen, and legitimately so.
Again, I don't approve of his methods, but that dog was a ticking time bomb in that families home. It was decided to keep the dog at Ceasar's, since he said the dog could never be trusted with food around small kids.
The way I see it, if the dog stayed where it was, it would be dead by now, where it is, atleast she's got a home for life..
I just want to add my quick little 2 cents to this thread. I grew up with a resource guarder. He would RG bones, toys and food. I learned very quickly from both him and my parents that dogs are not to be bothered when they have things of value. If I could figure that out as a 5 year old, what the heck is wrong with CM?
Also, Ruby, that comment about cycling through dogs until you find one that is perfect.. once in every 15 years or so, I think was your wording. I have no words for that, I really wish we had the barfing emoticon right now.
Also, Ruby, that comment about cycling through dogs until you find one that is perfect.. once in every 15 years or so, I think was your wording. I have no words for that, I really wish we had the barfing emoticon right now.
I wish there could be some sort of unspoken internet rule where you didn't hop forum to forum trying to **** people off over the same subject. They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I say on the internet that it also sounds like the definition of trolling. Hit up a CM forum. Then you will find the unfortunately like minded.