Cloned-Dog Owner Denies She is Actually Mormon Sex Kidnapper
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So it's not rape if it's against his protests and his religion?
You can be turned on and still say no, Sharky.
And it sounds like that is exactly what he did.
You can be turned on and still say no, Sharky.
And it sounds like that is exactly what he did.
And I know from past experience when I'm completely un-interested for one reason or another... I don't rise to the occasion. (although maybe you've had different experiences with the number of erections you've surely had...
).It's alot more likely the situation is more like Lilatvia describes in that he claimed rape afterwards to avoid the religious reprocussions.
She did kidnap him and all that so she had definately done things that were illegal and stupid but I think he's probably much less a victim then he claims in that the only real crime part of this was the kidnapping.
While an unwanted erection can occur it's not exactly common in the mindset of fear etc. that normally goes with having been kidnapped.
And I know from past experience when I'm completely un-interested for one reason or another... I don't rise to the occasion. (although maybe you've had different experiences with the number of erections you've surely had...).
It's alot more likely the situation is more like Lilatvia describes in that he claimed rape afterwards to avoid the religious reprocussions.
And I know from past experience when I'm completely un-interested for one reason or another... I don't rise to the occasion. (although maybe you've had different experiences with the number of erections you've surely had...
).It's alot more likely the situation is more like Lilatvia describes in that he claimed rape afterwards to avoid the religious reprocussions.
Note, that although I suspect he claimed outright rape later to avoid reprocussions, this WAS a sexual assault. I just think its possible (and the question was left open) whether he was entirely uncooperative when err . . . well, when it mattered. Which is not the same as saying that he was at all cool with it.
While an unwanted erection can occur it's not exactly common in the mindset of fear etc. that normally goes with having been kidnapped.
And I know from past experience when I'm completely un-interested for one reason or another... I don't rise to the occasion. (although maybe you've had different experiences with the number of erections you've surely had...).
It's alot more likely the situation is more like Lilatvia describes in that he claimed rape afterwards to avoid the religious reprocussions.
She did kidnap him and all that so she had definately done things that were illegal and stupid but I think he's probably much less a victim then he claims in that the only real crime part of this was the kidnapping.
And I know from past experience when I'm completely un-interested for one reason or another... I don't rise to the occasion. (although maybe you've had different experiences with the number of erections you've surely had...
).It's alot more likely the situation is more like Lilatvia describes in that he claimed rape afterwards to avoid the religious reprocussions.
She did kidnap him and all that so she had definately done things that were illegal and stupid but I think he's probably much less a victim then he claims in that the only real crime part of this was the kidnapping.
Agreed. The body can "want sex" for biological reasons while the actual person doesn't. Some women even orgasm during rape, but that doesn't mean they enjoy it or that it isn't rape. It's just the body going, "Oh, are we doing the reproduction thing now? I'd better orgasm." It is absolutely possible for men to be raped by women.
No.. like I said you can have an unwanted erection... which would make it rape... it's simply not that common.
Although that could just be because fewer men get raped.
But yes if he had an unwanted one then yes it's rape... but that doesn't occur in all men or even all the time... so while it's possible the story was just as he told it and it's rape in which case Nolu is quite right about the name of the story... it's much less likely.
I'd think rape would also be harder to prove as it'd be one persons word vs another without as much evidence... which could all disappear if he has a shower.
Although that could just be because fewer men get raped.
But yes if he had an unwanted one then yes it's rape... but that doesn't occur in all men or even all the time... so while it's possible the story was just as he told it and it's rape in which case Nolu is quite right about the name of the story... it's much less likely.
I'd think rape would also be harder to prove as it'd be one persons word vs another without as much evidence... which could all disappear if he has a shower.
I also wanted to add that, personally, I find what allegedly happened repulsive and am sickened that people are laughing at it.
Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?
It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.
Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?
It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.
Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
I also wanted to add that, personally, I find what allegedly happened repulsive and am sickened that people are laughing at it.
Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?
It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.
Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?
It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.
Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
In fact, let me make that very clear, my fiance's sister is a devout Mormon, who went on a mission (they let girls do that now) and was nearly raped by a prowler in her hotel room. That is NOT funny. At all. It was even less funny that they wouldn't let her call her brother for a month. On the other hand, if it turned out that the man who almost raped her also was having is dog cloned, I would at the very least get a weird expression on my face and go "WTF?"
Nor did I suggest that it was consentual in the normal sense of the word. It is indisputed that he was kidnapped, and tied to a bed against his will. There is, in the article, reported that there is in fact some doubt about what exactly happened next. There is no doubt he was kiddnaped and sexually assulted, but there is some about whether he became, at any point, a willing participant. Frankly, I don't care, and when it happened, it is unlikely a rape charge had a snowballs chance in hell. But, I did observe that if, at some point, he went along with it . . . for whatever reason, if only to escape, or because of biology, or because he thought, "what the hell" he would certainly not say so. That was all I meant to imply. What she did was very, very wrong.
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I also wanted to add that, personally, I find what allegedly happened repulsive and am sickened that people are laughing at it.
Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?
It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.
Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
Would it be as funny if the victim was a buddhist monk? Or a Moslim woman? Or is it funny because the man was a Mormon missionary? If it was consensual, why would he bother reporting it in the first place if he was worried about religious repercussions?
It's hard enough that people say women who are raped were "asking for it", or that it was their fault for not taking better precautions against whatever coulda shoulda woulda happened....I think it's pretty dang brave of any man who has been sexually assaulted to come forth and name his attacker, because he's going to face all kinds of public ridicule and people doubting that he is telling the truth. And in this case, it wasn't just because of his gender, it was because of his religion too.
Sorry for the rant. This thread has just been making me sick to the stomach all day so I had to say something about it.
A lot more details are available now, in this article:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1830818,00.html?cnn=yes
So bizarre.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1830818,00.html?cnn=yes
So bizarre.
The last article did say she was a former Miss Wyoming so apparently she wasn't bad looking at some point. She is downright scary in that puppy pic though, and it looks pretty obvious that she is the person that they think she is. Or maybe it's just a weird coincidence that she looks almost exactly like her.