Cava-lon puppy?

[gabby420]

I am looking for a cava-lon and finding it hard to find either a breeder or a pet store that carries any. is this a rare hybrid? i am in love with the look of this dog and really would appreciate any information that you may have as to where i could find one.

i know alot of people are opposed to hybrids, but i had a cockapoo and and she was the joy of our family for years.

thanks again..


Gabby - NYC

 

[~Tucker&Me~]

Have you looked in shelters for this mix?

I would advise that you boycott any petstores or breeders selling mixed breeds.

This is just a mutt, not a hybrid. A hybrid is a mix between two different species (I believe).

If you don't mind me asking, why not look for a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel?

~Tucker

 

[Laurelin]

Please don't buy a dog from a pet store.

Here's some good links why:

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/petstor.html
http://dogs.about.com/cs/generalcare/a/pet_stores.htm
http://www.huskycolors.com/petstore.html
http://www.petstorecruelty.org/
http://www.arescuemom.org/PetStorePuppies.htm
http://www.dachsie.org/petstore.html

Puppy Mills, the number one source of all pet store puppies
http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/get_the_facts_on_puppy_mills/index.html
http://www.nopuppymills.com/
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cruelty_puppymills
http://stoppuppymills.org/
http://www.puppymills.com/
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/puppymil.html
http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ (Excellent, give it a read, if not any of the others, please)
http://www.geocities.com/hollyswilo/puppymills.html
http://www.idausa.org/campaigns/puppy/puppymills.html

I have never heard of a cavalon and I looked it up, which I probably shouldn't have... It's a papillon hybrid. The people who are breeding these hybrids are less than reputable to put it bluntly.

If you are interested in papillons or cavaliers, I know many people that could point you in the right direction. If you are looking for a small mixed breed dog, there are a lot up for adoption and many small breed rescues.

Why are you interested in this cross in the first place? Looks alone do not guarantee a good match. Do you know much about the breeds? Papillons can be too much for some people looking for lap dogs or house decorations.

Sorry I'm so passionate about this, but papillons are my breed and I hate to see people exploit them for money.

 

[gabby420]

I have read up on papillons and cavaliers and have seen this breed in the flesh before but i lost contact with the person who had it so i have no way of knowing where they got it from. i liked the disposition of the dog and the size and combined, asthetically is a cute dog. im not going to lie and say that doesnt make a difference to me bc it does.

i would obviously not want to go to a pet store if i could avoid it. the thing is , the people who i know who have gotten their pets at pet stores have had good luck with their animals. so although i know the dangers of purchasing an animal from one its kind of hard to say i wouldnt consider it. just being honest.

thank you for all your feedback i appreciate it

 

[bubbatd]

I'm sure there's a whoops litter somewhere !! Check at the HS and petfinder .

 

[Laurelin]

I have read up on papillons and cavaliers and have seen this breed in the flesh before but i lost contact with the person who had it so i have no way of knowing where they got it from. i liked the disposition of the dog and the size and combined, asthetically is a cute dog. im not going to lie and say that doesnt make a difference to me bc it does.

i would obviously not want to go to a pet store if i could avoid it. the thing is , the people who i know who have gotten their pets at pet stores have had good luck with their animals. so although i know the dangers of purchasing an animal from one its kind of hard to say i wouldnt consider it. just being honest.

thank you for all your feedback i appreciate it

To me, just because a dog is healthy and has a good temperament or that you can get one that way from a pet store does not make it okay to buy from there. I just think really hard and ask myself if they're the kind of people I'd want to give money to. In the end, I simply can't.

Also, cavaliers have quite a few health problems. Most breeders of cross bred dogs do not health screen. Papillons are not free of health problems either and many of the same problems exist in both breeds. I'd be concerned if I went to a breeder that did not screen.

I don't know where you are, but there's a cavalon on petfinder- http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7131714

Papillons and cavaliers are each really great little dogs with great personalities, though the breeds are pretty different temperament wise imo. It would be easier to find a GOOD breeder of one of those breeds rather than a cross. Even then it's a bit tough.

 

[Whisper]

I'm sure you could find this mix at a shelter and avoid pet stores, puppy mills, and BYBs. No good breeder would mix breeds like this. All a "cavalon" is is a mutt of which are in shelters everywhere are being pumped out as some special breed. I love mutts, and have had many, but the breeding of them for pets is very, very irresponsible.
Buying from a pet store is appealing, of course. There are many cute pups and you can take them home instantly. But are you really okay with supporting a puppy mill?
Look at the links Laurelin supplied (especially this one: http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ ). That is what you face supporting if you fall into the trap of supporting a mill by supplying them with money in their wallet so they can keep doing it. You really would consider supporting them?

 

[MafiaPrincess]

I have a mill dog. Came from a pet store. Unlike many people on the forums I'm on she's still healthy at 2.5 years old, and many of theirs were dysplastic or suffering from LP by now. Lot of allergies, skin issues etc.

She's got a skittish crappy temperament though. Cute as heck, she's my baby and I love her, but we've had to work long and hard to try to make her somewhat stable. If I hadn't taken her when my roomate tried to dump her, I don't think many other homes would have kept her long term.

Just because you know people who didn't get screwed buying from somewhere skeazy, it isn't an excuse to do it yourself if you are educated enough to know better.

 

[Whisper]

True, MafiaPrincess. Lucy is a pet store puppy from before we knew better. Because I got lucky with her and it's possible to have a great pup from a pet store does not make it okay. I will never, ever, ever go to one again now that I know better.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

I knew puppymills existed when my roomate wanted a dog. I knew that there was a reason instant gratification was bad.. But I didn't know quite enough to tell her why she shouldn't. I grilled the store employees about where she came from. They spewed a great lie.

Wasn't till 2 weeks after she came home when I was researching dogs in general I got a better picture of bybs, mills, etc..

If you don't know, it's hard to fault someone. If you do know, and don't care, that's pretty skeazy. I see both sides. Nice to walk into a store and have your pup, now. But it seems to go badly for many people. I've been waiting for my second pup since November to find the 2 males I was picking between both died. They were the smallest in the litter. So back to waiting I go. It sucks, but it's worth it to know that this one will have a stable temperament and have the best possible chances at being healthy. Don't love my baby any less and it isn't her fault. But she's not what would have been produced by a good breeder.

 

[FoxyWench]

im more interested in the thousands of health concernes this mix could end up wiht, i mean cavs are not exactly the healthiest breed even from GOOD breeders, and paps have their fair share themselves.

if you HAVE to have this mix, go check your local shelters....

but PLEASE whatever you do, DO NOT support the SCUM that is the back yard breeders and puppymills turning out these mutts and charging the less than educated thousands for the privaledge...just beacuse the other one you met was ok doesnt mean you need to support these people...oops litters unfortunatly happen, howver the people YOUR looking for are breeders and mills trying to make a quick buck of the next big fad...
dont support THOSE people!

 

[Maxy24]

I agree, rescue one or get a real breed from a GOOD breeder. Just because you can get a healthy pet store pup means nothing to me. You would still be supporting and paying for what happens to those puppies before they reach the store and the suffering their parents endure. Rescue pups are great I loved mine and would never have traded him for all the dogs in the world.

 

[bubbatd]

Just remember folks that most Pet Store puppies are from Puppy Mills , with false papers . I remember about a year ago about 1000 pups were in a wreck . They were from the midwest going to many Stores in the East . Most of them were " the breed choice " of the moment .....We've GOT to shut down these Mills !!!! Any kennel on line that offers many breeds are Mills !! Many act as if they sell only one or 2 breeds ---- I bet if you say that you want a Lab and then charge your mind and say you decided on a Chi .... they'll say they happen to know of a litter . !

 

[mrose_s]

you really don't want this dog, your supporting disgusting things if you by it from a breeder, your adding to the amount of good pets being killed everyyear iin shelters, not to mention all the bad health disadvantages you'll get because the breeders don't have a clue.

i would really say go to a shelter. there are so many adorable pups that wont make it to adulthood.
watch these 2 videos than decided if you can still support BYB's and puppy mills.
http://brightlion.com/InHope/InHope_en.aspx

http://youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=D-S-FeR0YwY

 

[bubbatd]

Bless these poor babies who never asked for this ............

 

[MaryAndDobes]

I have read up on papillons and cavaliers and have seen this breed in the flesh before but i lost contact with the person who had it so i have no way of knowing where they got it from. i liked the disposition of the dog and the size and combined, asthetically is a cute dog.

But what you're looking for is not a breed. It's a mix, a mutt. Therefore, each dog from those breedings can be expected to be different. Some resembling the Cavalier, some resembling the papillon, some maybe blending, some will just be unidentifiable as any breed. The same goes for health and temperament - another couple of grab bags where a puppy may take after either parent, neither parent or both (and when talking about health problems, who wants the problems of both???)

People who assume that they get the best of both breeds are extremely naive and hopeful at best. That's not how genetics work. If it were, we'd all be stunning.

the people who i know who have gotten their pets at pet stores have had good luck with their animals.

Well, all I can say is that the ones we see in rescue that came from pet stores are generally neurotic and health time bombs. One that immediately comes to mind is a 9 month old Doberman our rescue took in - he had Dancing Doberman Disease, a neurological disorder. By 2 years of age, he was dead of osteosarcoma. TWO YEARS and he was GONE.

What do you suppose his breeder is doing about this? I'll tell you -- nothing. They have no idea what they've done. The bottom line on pet stores is that breeders who sell puppies through them have no idea where their puppies went, who has them or what happened to them. That's how little they care. When those breeders have created genetic problems, they will never know and they will never change what they're doing. They will keep on breeding the same dogs that created those problems.

 

[animalcrackers]

Great points from everyone. Why take the risk of buying from a pet shop? Why pay a lot of money for a mutt when you can just adopt one? Why choose to support puppy mills and backyard breeders when you already know it is wrong to do so? You could be getting the cons of both breeds in that one dog, so it's really in your best interest to purchase from a reputable breeder or adopt a dog that has been screened.

the people who i know who have gotten their pets at pet stores have had good luck with their animals.

I find it extremely hard to believe that you could get a Cavalier from a pet shop and not have any issues health-wise with it in the long run. This breed has a lot of health issues -- know more about them here.

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

he had Dancing Doberman Disease, a neurological disorder. By 2 years of age, he was dead of osteosarcoma. TWO YEARS and he was GONE.

Is dancing doberman disease the same as wobblers?

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

Buying ANYTHING in a business that sells dogs commercially for profit is greasing the cruelty wheel so it keeps turning even more easily.

You spend money in a "pet shop", YOU are funding the next breeding of dogs who should either never have been born in the first place, or who should have been long ago spayed or neutered.

If you want a toy mix, get one from a shelter.

Otherwise, you are nearly as guilty as the XXXXXXXXXXXX that uses and abuses these animals to line their pockets with no regard for the suffering endured.

JMO as always....

 

[gabby420]

thank you to everyone for your feedback. ive clicked on quite of few of the sites you provided and while i was on the fence before about pet stores i am dead set against it now. having said all that i think im going to go with a cavalier king charles as my choice. the picture i DID see of the cavalon looked more like a cavalier than a papillon so i figure i should probably stick with the purebred.

again thank you for all your advice