Breeders on Kijiji.

[motorloco]

Hi.

I was just wondering how many on here have had good/bad experiences with breeders on the ad site called Kijiji.

A friend of mine bought a Pug puppy a few months ago. She contacted this breeder 3 months ago and sent in a deposit to reserve the pup. Everything sounded great, she was getting a decent dog at a good price from an honest breeder. Until of course, "her" puppy injured himself trying to climb out of the enclousure. The breeder told her she had to pay the vet fees as it was HER dog and she was responsible for it. So my friend sent the lady another $200.
A week goes by, the breeder stopped taking her calls, sending emails or pictures/updates.

So finally my friend gets really upset and drives 6 hours to go see what's going on with her dog.

THE LADY CALLED THE COPS ON HER FOR TRESSPASSING. She didn't even get out of her vehicle before the woman came out yelling about the police and all that jazz.

SO my friend waits at the end of the property for the cop to arrive. She hands him a bunch of emails, he looks them over, then decides we need to go to civil court.

ANYWAY

It's been almost a month, the court process is just getting started...meanwhile, my friend is out almost $1000 and some poor defenseless pup (who COULD BE INJURED) is being raised by some loon. At the end of this, she is aiming to get part of her money back and/or the dog.

She went on the discussion board there, to see if anything simliar had happened to anyone. Well, apparently she was bombarded with emails, questions and basically made out to be a bad guy. It turned into an arguement about the type of breeders who use that site, who's a "byb" and who was a good breeder.

Is that website always this defective, or did she just get lucky?

 

[Renee750il]

It's never a good idea to buy from that kind of "breeder." You need to research breeders, their reputations, the testing they do, WHY they are breeding . . .

This is a good place to start for learning http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t72052/

 

[mastiffsmom]

I sold some AB pups for a friend of mine on this same website and had no issues at all. I actually drove 2 1/2 hours to meet a family that bought one of the pups

I dont think it is the site, it is the people on the site. You find loony people that have websites that are all not there.

I read on a mastiff site where someone had bought an English Mastiff pup from a breeder that had been breeding for about 20 yrs and had the same thing happen to them. To this day, I dont think they have gotten the papers. When it comes to Mastiffs, being that they are all the same color, who knows if the pup she got is actually the one she wanted. It is just the people that are breeding. Not everyone is nice or honest. NOT everyone that is breeding will honor their contracts either. Been there.

 

[JennSLK]

There are a few good breeders on there. They are VERRY hard to find. I see no problem with a breeder who is starting out, selling pupies there, as long as they are just as picky about owners as they would be through other sources. There are better places to find a puppy though

 

[motorloco]

I guess it's not so much the fact that she was hussled.
That happens to the best of us, and yeah, she probably could have done more research and been a bit more patient for a pup. What is really upsetting to me (not her) is the types of responses she was getting on the message board. It was so confusing.
The best way to describe it was "trainwreck". All of the responses were either eloquent and knowledgeable (albeit, a bit brash) or borderline incoherent. I guess I just don't get why any breeder (EVEN IF SAID BREEDER IS A 'byb') would want to defend someone so heinous. They were SUPPORTING the breeder who caused my friend so much grief, because she was a 'byb'.

WHAT IS A BYB ANYWAY
ISN'T THAT SOMEONE WHO BREEDS DOGS BUT DOES NOT HAVE A REGISTERED KENNEL NAME?

If so, isn't it a bit unreasonable to unquestioningly support such breeders....who knows if they're good or bad, with such a huge group of people you cannot make such blanket statments, but must take it case by case. Why take the risk of ruining your reputation as a breeder to support someone in the wrong, just because they fall under the same(large) category as you?

I don't know. I'm down right angry and confused about all of this.
Now I go back there, and I see they are still arguing about breeders. I don't even know what the arguement is about. I don't know much about dogs. I DO KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. Firstly, it's questionable to make your living off of a companion animal. I wouldn't buy from someone who did it for a living. Secondly, it is wrong to use peoples emotions to take advantage of them. I don't care what business you're in. It's wrong!

How people can support someone like this is beyond me.

My girlfriend is very depressed about all of this. She is preparing to spend her savings on legal fees, then wants to spread awareness about bad breeders and how to protect yourself from them.

I just wish I could cyber slap half the people on that site.

Sorry, this is a bit of a rant. You have no idea the hell I've gone through. What was supposed to be a happy occassion is now a catastrophe.

 

[Renee750il]

Has she posted about her experience on this site? Ripoff Report | Scams, consumer complaints, and frauds reported.

 

[motorloco]

No she hasn't. It never even occurred to us that we could do that.
Should we wait until the court proceedings are finished?

I just don't want her to try to counter with the whole "slander/defamation" bit....


Thanks for dealing with my rant guys. It's nice to be able to vent. We've tried explaining it to our friends, but to them it's just a dog "go get a different one if you're so upset" is the typical response. At least you guys somewhat understand the headache this has caused.

We'll definitely be more careful in the future.

 

[skittledoo]

I stay as far away from Kijiji as I can and I wont buy from a breeder who sells on there.

One of my former roommates found a puppy on Kijiji a while back ago. He was a cute little rottie and she and I got into a debate about the breeder. I told her that she should really do her research and that she wont have much luck finding a good responsible breeder on Kijiji. She pulled the, "my parents were breeders so I know what a good breeder is and this lady checks out." Her parents were backyard chow breeders, but I wont go too deep into that right now.

Anyways... this breeder did not do health tests AT ALL and I reminded her that rottweilers can be prone to a few health problems, primarily hip displaysia. My former roommate shrugged me off and bought the puppy anyway. At 6 months old he started displaying early signs of hip displaysia and when the vets told her how much it was going to cost to work on his hips to try and slow down the development of hip displaysia she decided to rehome the dog instead.

 

[Miakoda]

Reputable breeders don't just sell to anyone (i.e. people they do not know) and they don't sell dogs on internet websites such as that or in local newspaper advertisements.

A reputable owner/breeder cares where his/her puppies are going to.

With that said, chances are that there are no puppies. Your friend got hussled as did probably anyone and everyone else who sent that lady money.

She may or may not win in civil court and even a judgment in her favor doesn't mean she'll ever see a dime of her money back. I'd chalk it up to one very expensive lesson learned.

As for a backyard breeder, that is someone who is breeding dogs for all the wrong reasons:
-they breed "nice" and "pretty dogs"
-they breed "wonderful pets"
-they breed poor quality dogs that don't come close to the breed standard
-they don't give a rat's ass about the breed standard
-they sell puppies to make easy money
-they look at you like your from another planet if you ask them if their dogs are health-tested (i.e. OFA) or if they show their dogs or if they compete with their dogs in some sporting venue

......this list goes on and on. But basically you can thank bybs for ruining almost every single breed out there in existence. They don't breed to preserve the breed and put forth the very best specimens possible. They breed because one of their dogs has a vagina and the other dog has a penis.

 

[~Jessie~]

Definitely agree with Miakoda.

My breed has been labeled aggressive by so many people and practically ruined by BYB's. The "chihuahuas" on these websites don't even look like chihuahuas, because of the lack of care put into their breeding. So many people will put their "cute dogs" together to make "cute puppies" and temperament and breed standard go right out the window. They don't care about preserving the breed, and bettering it. They just want money and "cute puppies."

Let's face it... ALL puppies are cute, until they grow up to be dogs who have major issues.

I doubt there was a pug puppy in the first place. SO many people on these sites will steal pictures from other breeders and try to pass them off as their own. It's unfortunate for your friend, but this stuff happens all of the time.

 

[Chrissy12]

Kijiji is for stuff that one would sell/buy at garage sales but can't be bothered to have/go to a real one, NOT for pets.

 

[adojrts]

I had an ad on Kijiji for my last litter, I also know several very rep. breeders that have had ads on there as well.
Now did I have a list of people that wanted my pups first?? Yes and No, first I breed for myself first and formost, therefore not filling puppy orders. On this last litter I did have all/most (depended on how many we had) the pups spoken for. And then I dropped one of the puppy buyers and two of their clients for another reason.
So yes I did put up an ad and I found an excellent home for one of the pups.

For the record, just because a breeder is listed with a org/association or kennel club doesn't make them a good breeder. I know a breeder that is always listed in Dogs in Canada, has reg'd dogs and is nothing more than a puppy mill.
People HAVE TO reseach and dig deep. Just as a breeder has to ask the hard questions and do countless interviews to find that perfect prospective puppy owner.
And just because someone competes and tests (health) their dogs, also doesn't mean they are good but that is a whole different off topic.
Bottom line everyone involved has to do their research.

 

[Laurelin]

I had an ad on Kijiji for my last litter, I also know several very rep. breeders that have had ads on there as well.
Now did I have a list of people that wanted my pups first?? Yes and No, first I breed for myself first and formost, therefore not filling puppy orders. On this last litter I did have all/most (depended on how many we had) the pups spoken for. And then I dropped one of the puppy buyers and two of their clients for another reason.
So yes I did put up an ad and I found an excellent home for one of the pups.

For the record, just because a breeder is listed with a org/association or kennel club doesn't make them a good breeder. I know a breeder that is always listed in Dogs in Canada, has reg'd dogs and is nothing more than a puppy mill.
People HAVE TO reseach and dig deep. Just as a breeder has to ask the hard questions and do countless interviews to find that perfect prospective puppy owner.
And just because someone competes and tests (health) their dogs, also doesn't mean they are good but that is a whole different off topic.
Bottom line everyone involved has to do their research.

:hail::hail::hail:

Couldn't agree more. Mia's breeder places ads on these types of sites (not kijiji but similar) too and she is also a member of the national breed club- actually she's an approved mentor as well, has many top show dogs, has produced some of the top performance paps out there, has produced several service dogs, screens owners, etc etc etc and I could go on. You need to do your research. Places like kijiji are simply listing services and have no bearing whatsoever on the quality or lack thereof of the breeder. Do your own research!

Also, in papillons it is highly uncommon to have a waiting list with all puppies spoken for.

I also don't understand the idea that a reputable breeder never advertises. If reputable breeders don't get out there and compete with the BYBs how in the world is your average person supposed to find a reputable breeder?

 

[Whisper]

:hail::hail::hail:

Couldn't agree more. Mia's breeder places ads on these types of sites (not kijiji but similar) too and she is also a member of the national breed club- actually she's an approved mentor as well, has many top show dogs, has produced some of the top performance paps out there, has produced several service dogs, screens owners, etc etc etc and I could go on. You need to do your research. Places like kijiji are simply listing services and have no bearing whatsoever on the quality or lack thereof of the breeder. Do your own research!

Also, in papillons it is highly uncommon to have a waiting list with all puppies spoken for.

I also don't understand the idea that a reputable breeder never advertises. If reputable breeders don't get out there and compete with the BYBs how in the world is your average person supposed to find a reputable breeder?

Great post.
I used to think that sites like that automatically = BYB, but things just aren't that black and white.

And the bolded part is a VERY good point. When the average Joe looks for a dog they often start looking at ones from a friend's oops litter, maybe the pound or a shelter, a pet store, or newspaper or online ads. Often they should be researching breeders but if they haven't, don't you think it would be ideal if they stumbled upon a good breeder who could start to teach them the difference between breeders?

 

[~Jessie~]

I don't think there is anything wrong with advertising for litters. I guess I thought kajiji was similar to craigslist. I don't like people advertising puppies "first come first serve."

Chihuahua puppies normally aren't spoken for or reserved ahead of time. I found Emma on puppyfind and her breeder is a show breeder who health tests and is really good. It's just another way to get their names out and they still screen buyers. Like I said before, Emma's breeder wanted her to go to a show home and we talked a lot ahead of time.

It's the buyers responsibility to make sure the breeder is legit.

 

[Laurelin]

Kijiji is kind of similar to craigslist and puppyfind, nextdaypets, etc. All are just listing services. It's up to the breeder to decide if it's first come first serve or what kind of screening they are going to do.

 

[Miakoda]

Well, forgive me if I stepped on toes.

I guess I've never dealt with anyone who ever advertised. And when I saw what was put on hoobly and all that, well, it never occurred to me that a reputable breeder would there dogs into the mix of all the other crap.

I lot of what I say relates to the APBT breed specifically. So I use my own feelings and beliefs regarding that breed and who does and does not do things with that breed and then speak generally on this board. I am not familiar with how breeders of other breeds go about things. I just know that with the APBT, the reputable breeders have people waiting for years for a pup and they never have to advertise on boards such as those. And that's even if they are letting any of the pups go. Most APBT breeders breed for themselves first and let place dogs they do not have room for or they do not want. And they place those dogs in homes they already have lined up or with friends and people they know. Some do have their own websites though.

One thing I have learned on this site is that the APBT and it's goings-on are quite different from that of other breeds.

 

[adojrts]

Well, forgive me if I stepped on toes.

I guess I've never dealt with anyone who ever advertised. And when I saw what was put on hoobly and all that, well, it never occurred to me that a reputable breeder would there dogs into the mix of all the other crap.

I lot of what I say relates to the APBT breed specifically. So I use my own feelings and beliefs regarding that breed and who does and does not do things with that breed and then speak generally on this board. I am not familiar with how breeders of other breeds go about things. I just know that with the APBT, the reputable breeders have people waiting for years for a pup and they never have to advertise on boards such as those. And that's even if they are letting any of the pups go. Most APBT breeders breed for themselves first and let place dogs they do not have room for or they do not want. And they place those dogs in homes they already have lined up or with friends and people they know. Some do have their own websites though.

One thing I have learned on this site is that the APBT and it's goings-on are quite different from that of other breeds.

You didn't step on my toes and considering the problems with Pitties and such. I would expect the rep. breeders to be very careful and they need to be respected for that. Btw, by problems, I mean the bans and such (just to clarify)

 

[Laurelin]

You didn't step on my toes and considering the problems with Pitties and such. I would expect the rep. breeders to be very careful and they need to be respected for that. Btw, by problems, I mean the bans and such (just to clarify)

I too can definitely see why pit bull breeders would do things differently. I just wanted to point out that it's not that case in all breeds. I don't know much about other breeds but I do know a few pap breeders that place ads.

 

[Tailcreek]

Kijiji is no different than any other form of advertising in that you can find good or not so good breeders. No matter where you go to find your new puppy, researching the breeder is imperative IMO. I would say most pups for sale on Kijiji are from a BYB. Most reputable breeders simply do not have the need to advertise in such places as their reputation attracts buyers.

Jennifer
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