Breastfeeding in public

[Romy]

Expecially when people get downright MEAN over feeding dog food filled with chemicals. DOG FOOD but its ok to do it with BABIES. Explain that one to me.

No kidding.

42% corn syrup solids. I wouldn't eat that. I wouldn't feed my older children that. I wouldn't feed my dog that. And I wouldn't feel comfortable feeding my infants that unless there was no other option. That's not even touching on the fact it's mostly corn and soy, which are two of the most genetically modified crops ever. Even Esbilac for puppies has better quality ingredients than that.

 

[-bogart-]

for anything but goodstart here you need a prescription.

Same here , prescripition.

I was talking about this thread to a friend and she just informed me that the WIC office is starting to push BF and educating people. This is a lot diffrent than 13 yrs ago when i was dealing with it.

Back then it was sign sign and here your vouchers. Now I am told you take nutriotional classes and they offer more variety for foods babies get when weaning , you get fruit and bread now. And if you breastfeed the mom is on WIC the whole time until 5.

So maybe times are a changing around here , I will have to be on the look out for some BF moms and give them props.

 

[darkchild16]

No kidding.

42% corn syrup solids. I wouldn't eat that. I wouldn't feed my older children that. I wouldn't feed my dog that. And I wouldn't feel comfortable feeding my infants that unless there was no other option. That's not even touching on the fact it's mostly corn and soy, which are two of the most genetically modified crops ever. Even Esbilac for puppies has better quality ingredients than that.

yep and thats similac one of the most expensive and widely recommended brands as THE best.

Ingrediants list of the widely used organic formula:
Ingredients: Organic Reduced Minerals Whey, Organic Non-Fat Milk, Organic Lactose, Organic Glucose Syrup Solids, Organic Palm Oil Or Organic Palm Olein, Organic Coconut Oil, Organic High Oleic (Safflower Or Sunflower Oil), Organic Soy Oil, Organic Whey Protein Concentrate And Less Than 1%: Crypthecodinium Cohnii Oil (Docosahexaenoic Acid), Mortierella Alpina Oil (Arachidonic Acid), Soy Lecithin, Minerals: (Calcium Chloride, Calcium Hydroxide, Cupric Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Potassium Bicarbonate, Potassium Chloride, Potassium Hydroxide, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Selenite, Zinc Sulfate), Taurine, Vitamins: Ascorbic Acid, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Beta-Carotene, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Choline Chloride, Cyanocobalamin, Folic Acid, Inositol, Mixed Tocopherol Concentrate, Niacinamide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamin Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Palmitate, Vitamin D (Cholecalciferol), Vitamin E (Dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate), Vitamin K (Phytonadione), Nucleotides: Adenosine-5'-Monophosphate, Cytidine-5'-Monophosphate, Disodium Guanosine-5'-Monophosphate, Disodium Inosine-5'-Monophosphate, Disodium Uridine-5'-Monophosphate.

 

[-bogart-]

Ingrediants for Enfamil w/iron

Whey Reduced Minerals, Milk Non-Fat, Lactose, Palm Olein Oil, Soy Oil, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil High Oleic, Contains 11% or less Mono and Diglycerides, Soy Lecithin, Carrageenan, Vitamin A Palmitate, Vitamin D3, Vitamin E Acetate, Vitamin K1, Thiamine (Thiamin) Hydrochloride, Vitamin B6 Hydrochloride, Vitamin B12, Niacinamide (Vitamin aB), Folic Acid (Vitamin aB), Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Ascorbic Acid, Inositol, Calcium Chloride, Calcium Phosphate, Ferrous Sulfate, Potassium Citrate, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Citrate, Taurine, Sodium Selenite, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Cupric Sulfate, Nucleotides (Adenosine 5' - Monophosphate, Cytidine 5' - Monophosphate, Disodium Guanosine 5' - Monophosphate, Disodium Uridine 5' - Monophosphate) , Potassium Hydroxide

http://www.foodfacts.com/NutritionFacts/Liquid/Enfamil-With-Iron-Infant-Formula-13-fl-oz-/8120

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This will go around and around . Really , all I know is Caleb and the others are alive and I dont care if others feed in public or not , I have kids to corral while out and about and am really not paying attention if ya boobs hanging out or not, Unless you have a nice set and I tell my hubby to look.
LOL

 

[darkchild16]

Ingrediants for Enfamil w/iron

Whey Reduced Minerals, Milk Non-Fat, Lactose, Palm Olein Oil, Soy Oil, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil High Oleic, Contains 11% or less Mono and Diglycerides, Soy Lecithin, Carrageenan, Vitamin A Palmitate, Vitamin D3, Vitamin E Acetate, Vitamin K1, Thiamine (Thiamin) Hydrochloride, Vitamin B6 Hydrochloride, Vitamin B12, Niacinamide (Vitamin aB), Folic Acid (Vitamin aB), Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Ascorbic Acid, Inositol, Calcium Chloride, Calcium Phosphate, Ferrous Sulfate, Potassium Citrate, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Citrate, Taurine, Sodium Selenite, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Cupric Sulfate, Nucleotides (Adenosine 5' - Monophosphate, Cytidine 5' - Monophosphate, Disodium Guanosine 5' - Monophosphate, Disodium Uridine 5' - Monophosphate) , Potassium Hydroxide

http://www.foodfacts.com/NutritionFacts/Liquid/Enfamil-With-Iron-Infant-Formula-13-fl-oz-/8120

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This will go around and around . Really , all I know is Caleb and the others are alive and I dont care if others feed in public or not , I have kids to corral while out and about and am really not paying attention if ya boobs hanging out or not, Unless you have a nice set and I tell my hubby to look.
LOL

My two who were are fine as well but Bev got it at the beginning when its most important. Morgan has had more health issues and he was strictly formula fed. Im not sure if its that or being Jeremys son that does it. I am excited we have made it 3 months tomorrow with Savannah breastfeeding. I will say I do like breastfed poops more LMAO.

 

[Barbara!]

again hiding from the public in the corner or out of sight. Ive walked around walmart without both my boobs hanging out or a cover and you couldnt see more of my boob then you could with a normal bikini and my baby was eating. Its freaking ridiculous that someone breastfeeding is such a disgrace or disrespectful to people in this day and age.


Everybody wants to feed their dog organic and raw and all these things but babies don't need to eat naturally shove chemicals in them because their natural way of eating is off a boob. Expecially when people get downright MEAN over feeding dog food filled with chemicals. DOG FOOD but its ok to do it with BABIES. Explain that one to me.

Where in my post did I say anything about formula feeding?

And no, I didn't say breastfeeding was a disgrace. I said obnoxiously breastfeeding is disrespectful to those around you. There is a difference. One I've tried to outline in my last five posts, at least.

 

[Romy]

:fighting0040::argue::fighting0040:

This will go around and around . Really , all I know is Caleb and the others are alive and I dont care if others feed in public or not , I have kids to corral while out and about and am really not paying attention if ya boobs hanging out or not, Unless you have a nice set and I tell my hubby to look.
LOL

lol! That's definitely better. It took forever just to find one ingredient list, Similac doesn't even post it on their website. My point was that complete strangers don't really get to have a say in what nutrition you kids get. It's not just a matter of plopping some formula into a kid. My nephew is strong as a horse, so kids can be fine on it. But I'm not comfortable feeding it to my own.

If I had to do formula, I'd probably do what my friend did when she had problems and go with fresh goat's milk based homemade stuff. There are recipes out there for doing it with fresh ingredients with correct vitamin measures and stuff. Her kids are both grown now and super healthy. It was pretty expensive though.

 

[sassafras]

... a woman sitting in the middle of a room with both of her breasts hanging out while talking loudly and allowing her child to use her breasts as playthings.

So, I'm curious for those who are giving Barbara a hard time over this story. If allowing her toddler to "slap her breasts around" in the middle of a public coffee shop was not crossing some kind of line of decorum, is there any situation in which a breastfeeding woman is being inconsiderate of those around her? I'm honestly and seriously curious if a publicly breastfeeding woman can do any wrong, because if this woman wasn't I'm hard pressed to think of anything.

Because frankly I would have been put off by that kind of spectacle, too. But I'm a bit put off by people making any kind of public spectacle of themselves. And I'm pretty sure it's not because of my deep seated boob hangup or my hatred of breastfeeding mothers.

 

[Danefied]

again hiding from the public in the corner or out of sight.

Right. Because breastfeeding a baby is shameful behavior doncha know...

I wonder, if you’re in the corner being discreet but still talking loudly, does that make the breastfeeding okay? What if instead of boob slapping its just boob kneading with little hands, is that okay? In the corner still of course, heaven forbid a breastfeeding mom think she have the right to sit in the MIDDLE of a restaurant...

 

[sassafras]

Right. Because breastfeeding a baby is shameful behavior doncha know...

I wonder, if you’re in the corner being discreet but still talking loudly, does that make the breastfeeding okay? What if instead of boob slapping its just boob kneading with little hands, is that okay? In the corner still of course, heaven forbid a breastfeeding mom think she have the right to sit in the MIDDLE of a restaurant...

Again, is there anything that's NOT ok when it comes to breastfeeding in public?

 

[darkchild16]

Again, is there anything that's NOT ok when it comes to breastfeeding in public?

Savannah hugs my boobs while she does and kneads them. Again its been said that people doing it "right" have been told their flashing the room so mostly I dont take stock in someone whose said over and over that the only right way is covered and hiding saying it was this horror show. My friends son "slaps" her boobs but its not in a obsene way in fact you wouldnt know unless you were watching hes 2 and sometimes gets carried away in his happiness. Savannah has unlatched before randomly mid feed and im sure someone got a flash of nipple as I tried to get her sorted again and get my husband to understand I was quitely asking him to stand in front of me.

 

[sassafras]

Savannah hugs my boobs while she does and kneads them. Again its been said that people doing it "right" have been told their flashing the room so mostly I dont take stock in someone whose said over and over that the only right way is covered and hiding saying it was this horror show. My friends son "slaps" her boobs but its not in a obsene way in fact you wouldnt know unless you were watching. Savannah has unlatched before randomly mid feed and im sure someone got a flash of nipple as I tried to get her sorted again and get my husband to understand I was quitely asking him to stand in front of me.

Ah, as I suspected people think she is lying or exaggerating.

Which still doesn't answer my question. Is there anything that ISN'T ok? If the story IS true, was the behavior ok? If so, then why does anyone bother to be discreet at all?

 

[Barbara!]

Savannah hugs my boobs while she does and kneads them. Again its been said that people doing it "right" have been told their flashing the room so mostly I dont take stock in someone whose said over and over that the only right way is covered and hiding saying it was this horror show. My friends son "slaps" her boobs but its not in a obsene way in fact you wouldnt know unless you were watching hes 2 and sometimes gets carried away in his happiness. Savannah has unlatched before randomly mid feed and im sure someone got a flash of nipple as I tried to get her sorted again and get my husband to understand I was quitely asking him to stand in front of me.

Can you please quote where I said that the only right way to do it is covered and hiding? I hate when someone makes assumptions about what I mean or puts words in my mouth.

I said in the corner OR turned away from the crowd. Not both at the same time, unless that is what the woman prefers. And I didn't say that's what she should do, I simply said that is a good way to be discreet. You are taking pieces of what I said and using them out of context to try to make your own point. Sorry, but if you're going to debate, please do it correctly or don't do it at all.

 

[Danefied]

Again, is there anything that's NOT ok when it comes to breastfeeding in public?

If Barbara’s description is accurate, yes, I would be uncomfortable with that - not because of the breastfeeding, or visible boobs, but because of the mom’s behavior outside of the breastfeeding in public. I am uncomfortable with loud, histrionic type people - that is MY hang up, and I recognize that my discomfort is not anyone's responsibility but mine.

I say IF the description is accurate, because generally people tend to embellish things based on their personal hang ups. My description of a loud person is going to be very different than someone who does not have the same reactivity to histrionic behavior that I do.

Say four women are having lunch and a friend gets up from the table quickly saying she’s done and has to go. I might tell it just as I did. Another might tell it entirely differently. “She abruptly stood up, flung her chair back, tossed her head, announced she was DONE with us, and stormed off in a huff.†Two entirely different scenarios. Eyewitness accounts are not very reliable. We see what we want to see and interpret behavior based on preconceived notions.

 

[Catsi]

I personally don't have a problem with breast feeding in public. I am a very unobservant person, so I probably have passed many mothers breastfeeding and haven't noticed. When I have noticed I cannot say I have ever found it obnoxious in any way. A couple of years ago a local state member designated his office as a place where women could go and breast feed in a nice comfortable, clean environment. I thought that was a very nice idea. I hadn't realised there was any issues with breastfeeding in public until I read about this because honestly most people I know are comfortable with it or indifferent as far as I know. Now I have an urge to ask around!

 

[-bogart-]

romy , i googled enfamil ingredients and came upon that site , i am off to explore now , seems educational.

 

[Barbara!]

Ah, as I suspected people think she is lying or exaggerating.

Which still doesn't answer my question. Is there anything that ISN'T ok? If the story IS true, was the behavior ok? If so, then why does anyone bother to be discreet at all?

They want it to be black and white. But it's not like that. To me, there is a certain point where a woman is no longer "participating in the beauty of breastfeeding" and is just being downright disrespectful and trashy.

 

[sillysally]

So, I'm curious for those who are giving Barbara a hard time over this story. If allowing her toddler to "slap her breasts around" in the middle of a public coffee shop was not crossing some kind of line of decorum, is there any situation in which a breastfeeding woman is being inconsiderate of those around her? I'm honestly and seriously curious if a publicly breastfeeding woman can do any wrong, because if this woman wasn't I'm hard pressed to think of anything.

Because frankly I would have been put off by that kind of spectacle, too. But I'm a bit put off by people making any kind of public spectacle of themselves. And I'm pretty sure it's not because of my deep seated boob hangup or my hatred of breastfeeding mothers.

I guess I feel that just because something bothers me in public doesn't mean that its not "ok." I would think that it was weird, but not necessarily wrong. I'm also bothered by loud talkers, people who smell funny, people with visible nose hair, people with lots of ugly tattoos, people who are way too tan, smokers, etc. However, these things are part of living among other people. So my choices are to bitch about it, never leave the house, or pull up my big girl pants and learn to reframe my way of thinking and teach myself to get over things. The latter seems the most effective to me.....

 

[sassafras]

If Barbara’s description is accurate, yes, I would be uncomfortable with that - not because of the breastfeeding, or visible boobs, but because of the mom’s behavior outside of the breastfeeding public. I am uncomfortable with loud, histrionic type people - that is MY hang up, and I recognize that my discomfort is not anyone's responsibility but mine.

I say IF the description is accurate, because generally people tend to embellish things based on their personal hang ups. My description of a loud person is going to be very different than someone who does not have the same reactivity to histrionic behavior that I do.

Say four women are having lunch and a friend gets up from the table quickly saying she’s done and has to go. I might tell it just as I did. Another might tell it entirely differently. “She abruptly stood up, flung her chair back, tossed her head, announced she was DONE with us, and stormed off in a huff.†Two entirely different scenarios. Eyewitness accounts are not very reliable. We see what we want to see and interpret behavior based on preconceived notions.

Yes, I understand all of this and it kind of makes my point for me. It bothers me that the description of a story by a person who disagrees with the majority opinion is minimized, ignored, dismissed, or outright called an exaggeration while the dozens personal or eyewitness accounts of discreetly breastfeeding women shared in this thread aren't questioned at all. Nobody's saying "well I don't know that I believe your kid's head blocks your nipple."

There are obnoxious, irritating breastfeeding mothers just like there are obnoxious, irritating people of every demographic. If you actually want people who aren't very accepting of breastfeeding in public to be more accepting of it, selective hearing and minimizing obnoxious behavior doesn't help build any bridges. *shrug*

 

[darkchild16]

I think there should be a cover of some sort when in public places like restaurants or stores. Just pulling your boob out, to me, is just too much and disrespectful of those around you. There are other methods to feeding...you can bottle your breast milk for public feedings or cover yourself while feeding, so you have other options available to you. I just feel showing yourself in public like that is disrespectful. JMHO.

No, a child will not die if it is not breast fed in public. That makes me LOL. I had a conversation similar to this not long ago with a girl who kept screaming "So if I can't breast feed my child in public, do you expect them to starve and die?" Uh, no. I expect you to walk somewhere else or find another method *IF* it were not allowed. To say your child will die if he/she is not breastfed in public is a little...well, ignorant.

I don't know how to explain why it's offensive that a woman allowed her child to slap her boobs around in public.

But you can't preach and ask for respect if you give NONE to the people around you. I don't work on double standards. If you're going to sit in the middle of a room with both your breasts hanging out while being loud and obnoxiously breastfeeding, I'm going to tell you that it's gross and you should stop. I would expect the same thing if someone was offended by something I was doing. We all have our voices and we are all allowed to use them.

There is a difference between a woman modestly sitting in the corner or turned away from the room, feeding her baby quietly without TRYING to draw attention to herself and a woman sitting in the middle of a room with both of her breasts hanging out while talking loudly and allowing her child to use her breasts as playthings.

Can you please quote where I said that the only right way to do it is covered and hiding? I hate when someone makes assumptions about what I mean or puts words in my mouth.

I said in the corner OR turned away from the crowd. Not both at the same time, unless that is what the woman prefers. And I didn't say that's what she should do, I simply said that is a good way to be discreet. You are taking pieces of what I said and using them out of context to try to make your own point. Sorry, but if you're going to debate, please do it correctly or don't do it at all.

above are all mentions of sitting in a corner out of everyones eye sight basically and feeding and use a cover.


These are all different women breastfeeding that can be construed as letting their boob hang out. SOme more then others.

how many of these are inappropriate?