Big Dogs --- Big Fights

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My dogs for the most part are well behaved and get along well with each other. But very seldom, my female yellow lab will get all bristled up and start a huge fight with particular dogs.
She loves my choc lab Charlie, and never starts with him. (but he is under her and he doesn't care about it, just a fun loving goofy dog).
She injured my chow/malamute mix, he was 13 at the time and has since past (from old age) he was neutered. And he injured her during the same fight. Although he was somewhat food aggressive towards dogs only. And so is Shiloh, my yellow lab.
Well our GSD, Rocket is very sweet all around and has been submissive towards Shiloh and trying to place higher than Charlie, but as I said Charlie is fun loving and goofy and really doesn't care about alpha dogs. He doesn't lay down to them, but just doesn't stand up to them and he walks away.

Anyway, The labs, Shiloh and Charlie were in our backyard, I let Rocket (GSD) out when I took out the trash, I come back into the house and shut the door. I hear the unmistakable sound of a dog fight starting. I open the door and Shiloh is all bristled up starting with Rocket (GSD). Of course I start yelling at the top of my lungs for my husband, by the time he gets to the back yard they are in a huge fight, with Charlie nipping at both in the fight. I think he was doing that just from excitement.

Well anyway, she might start a fight, say two times a year, luckily my husband has been here each time. He had to use manual force to break up both dog fights. My worry is......How can I break up a dog fight without using manual strength?? If my husband is not home to help. And buckets of water will not do a thing for Shiloh, I did that before.
My 3 dogs are raised inside and full use of backyard. I do not wish to seperate them, because this happens so seldom. And they seem to love each other at all the other times.
They have been raised with our children and have never ever been aggressive towards any kids, or adults for that matter. As a matter of fact they all are trustworthy and excellent with children.

It is Shiloh, she will rarely start a fight with a dog, and when she does, she fights like the devil.
She is intact, could this bizarre behavior come from hormonal changes? Would at her age, getting her fixed, help this???

Shiloh, yellow lab is 5 years old, female
Charlie, Choc lab is 2 years old, male
Rocket, German Shepherd is 14 months, female

Another thing I have noticed, Shiloh has never bristled up for intact males.
Only neutered males, or females.

The only safe thing I can think of is to keep a can of pepper spray by the door. It sounds terrible but the only way to break up a fight short of using pepper spray is to, beat Shiloh over the head with a large stick.

I am just trying to find a reasonable outcome for this situation, so any suggestions or info could be helpful,
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Julie.
 

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Well I have heard that throwing a blanket over their heads will help. I haven't tested that theory myself but its worth a try i guess. or how about something loud like an airhorn (maybe not that extreme) but something that they will definately hear.
 

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thats a good article. I know lots of people that have tried to break up a dog fight and got a nasty bite from their own dog. They don't know any different. They are defending themselves and then suddenly there is something else trying to get him. They don't know its you. This guy (Ed Frawley) mostly trains bite dogs/police dogs so the fights he has to deal with can be extra dangerous for the people trying to break it up. I think thats a good idea though lol i never would have thought of that :D
 
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The blanket technique is great for breaking up a dog fight because if they still dont stop you can jump on to the blanket and grab one or both of the dogs without getting bit.

As for solving fighting issues, the cause is it sounds like dominance. Shiloh's in her prime and she knows it but Rocket is starting to reach sexual maturity and is going to be testing water so Shiloh feels she has to remind Rocket of her place however if Rocket thinks she has a chance she won't back down from Shiloh. Shiloh loves neutered males of course because they're a possible mate. If you're not planning on breeding or showing her I would get Shiloh spayed and Rocket too. Your household would simply be a lot calmer that way. It is said that two unaltered females can be quite b*tchy together (no pun intended) whereas two spayed females are compatible
 

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One time my dog got in fight with a protection trained doberman....


Wow what a fight that was... left me with a decent gash in my arm :)

the only reason i didnt loose the arm is because dobe had filed teeth and i took the risk with just pulling them apart by hands.

My pup was 130lb and dobe was around 100lb. That was a fun experience in dog control. Luckily my dog didnt get hurt and the dobe only had small cuts.

BTW, to get dogs apart...

Let them lock. If you have 2 people, great, start pullin at their hind legs, if not chain one dog to fense and pull the other one off.
 

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I've never had a problem with this because I only have one dog. But what I've heard and this may seem stupid: take a broom and put it in between them.

I'm sure others will have much better advice for you.
 

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BigDog2191 said:
I've never had a problem with this because I only have one dog. But what I've heard and this may seem stupid: take a broom and put it in between them.

I'm sure others will have much better advice for you.

Wouldnt do anything useful... :)

No offense :D :D
 

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I would never jump into a dog fight. I would probably do anything else to distract them. Maybe a loud whistle or something.
 

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I would never jump into a dog fight. I would probably do anything else to distract them. Maybe a loud whistle or something.

Probably wouldnt work as well. Brooms and sticks only agitate dogs and make them fight harder.
 
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Hmmm . . . Everything stops at my house when I yell - but mine aren't really trying to hurt each other, they're just making a lot of noise and acting like they're going to eat each other alive. Of course, me yelling is such a shock that it gets there attention, since I never yell (I don't have much of a voice for it, lol)

A loud, unusual noise that will get break their attention from the fight and distract them might do the trick. Spaying might help as well, especially when you figure hormonal tensions into the mix. You guys who own dogs have no idea how that really works, lol! I can tell when one of my two is coming in even before Bimmer knows, just be recognizing the signs of PMS - one of said signs being extreme cantankerousness and just plain orneriness :eek:
 

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Thank you Athe for the link. The article was very informative. The back legs seem the best way to break up a fight. He is no-nonsense and just as harsh as the dog fight itself. Probably the only real way to go!!! I read all the Q&A's on the site and when I read some of the posts they were outragious. He answered them very straightforward w/o all the bologna. I like that....

With big headstrong dogs, you can't let them run you.

Sparks, my labs are hunting/house dogs with alot of drive. Our GSD, well I should say my husband's GSD (Rocket), is a police patrol dog, certified in narcotics, tracking, aprehension/protection. But she is not the problem. In fact she is not dog aggressive at all, and looks to avoid all confrontations. But when Shiloh attacked her she fought back and the only dog with noticeable injuries was Shiloh.

These attacks have happened 2 more times since last night. So needless to say, Shiloh is in the kennel in our yard. (usually used to help confine the females in heat) I hate dog fights as big as these have been, and I will not be on edge about it, I have children, and if one of them would happen to get in the middle, they could be severely hurt. I can't believe they have lived together peacefully for so long, and then all of the sudden Shiloh did it again. and again and again in less than 12 hours.

I think I will leave a can of pepper spray by the back door, just in case my hubby isn't home, in case of an accidental escape and dog fight. This is such a shame, we have been living in harmony since Hubby brought Rocket home. It just isn't right for a dog to be confined in an outside run all the time. But what else can I do?

And needless to say, a broom, or a blanket (no offense) is not going to do a thing for a dog fight this severe. And I could never jump on one of the dogs under the blanket, to much of a risk. It wouldn't work anyway.

If you ever see a real dog fight, you will know, all you want to do is get the dogs away from each other, and it is extremely hard. And if you can't do it by yourself, get your kids out of the way and stay safe!!!!

Thanks for everyone's advise, if anyone else has idea's please let me know, but for the meantime, Shiloh will be kenneled in the backyard.
If only dogs could understand.....She will be missing a wonderful life in the house, yard, camping, etc.
 

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Oh yea, loud noises don't phase any of these dogs. The labs are hunting dogs and very used to it, and Rocket is a K9 patrol dog.
Thanks again for all the help,
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I hope you will seriously consider having Shiloh spayed. It should help some. The only time Shiva and Kharma ever engage is when one of them is coming into season . . . so far they don't seem to really want to hurt each other, but I'm not willing to let it go, so I generally wade in and separate them. Lots of fun with a couple of 130+ pound Riot Grrrrls, lol!

Of course, Bimmer's always ready to break it up too - and they both know better than to ignore him! :p
 

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Renee,
Shiloh came into heat mid June, before Shiloh was out, Rocket came in. They are both completely out.

Today while I was in the yard (Shiloh in the kennel), I noticed her watching Rocket and winding the air, then she would start growling. She didn't even pay a bit of attention to Charlie. What in the world would she be smelling the wind from Rocket for? Rocket just had a detailed physical at the vet, with no problems, and she seems in great shape.
And with Shiloh's history, it just makes me think: We'll she is a real --tchy dog. She seems to be only trusted around intact males.

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Yes, Shiloh is very attached to my hubby. But all the dogs lived together with us for many months with no problems. Now all of the sudden she is devil dog again....

I just get too nervous waiting for a next attack. Shiloh will be getting fixed soon, I don't know if it will help or not, but worth a try...

If it doesn't help, I guess she will be permantly seperated from Rocket and moreless our family life which our dogs are included in.

If only you could "reason" with a dog.

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So far so good here with the Grand-dogs in and occasional rescue or boardered dog etc We do have a lot of bristling etc.. and so far Grammy's " knock it off boys " is enough. I would like to know if there's a real fight what to do.
 

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