Are you a dog owner... or a sex offender?

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Online registries treat dog owners like rapists.


Fasten your seat belts, boys and girls. You, your dog, and your privacy could be thrown under the bus in the mad scramble to cope with screaming headlines and "dangerous" dogs.

Electronically shunning wrong-doers: perpetual purgatory



The State of Virginia's press release on their brand spanking-new online database of personal information on dog owners is explicit:

http://www.vdacs.virginia.gov/news/releases-b/070307dangerousdog.shtml

The registry, which is similar in concept to the Sex Offenders Registry, enables people to check to see if dangerous dogs reside in their area. . . Users may search by locality or by zip code to determine the presence of dogs deemed dangerous by the courts or local officials. . .

The publicly accessible section of the Virginia registry will ultimately include the name of each "dangerous" dog's owner and their address, along with photos, the name and the breed of the dog, the acts that resulted in the dog being deemed dangerous, and information necessary to access court records of the adjudication.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+3.1-796.93C3

A little bit "dangerous"



In Virginia, "dangerous dog" means a dog that has "bitten, attacked, or inflicted injury on a person or companion animal that is a dog or cat, or killed a companion animal that is a dog or cat."

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+3.1-796.93C1

Dogs that bit other dogs are in the online registry.

Dogs that killed cats are in the online registry.

75 -100 dogs per year are typically found "dangerous" in the State of Virginia, and the owners of those dogs will have to update their address and other private information for the database each January. They also must comply with a long list of automatic sanctions including muzzling in public, "dangerous dog" signs for their homes, and special "dangerous dog" tags and orange "dangerous dog" collars.


How could neighbors be unaware of such dogs, even without an online registry?

Cost to taxpayers in the Old Dominion? News reports indicate $200,147 to set up the registry, plus $78,302 a year to operate it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/21/AR2007072101225_pf.html

New York politicians just itching to sell out dog owners


Not to be out done, Westchester County, New York, under County Executive Andrew Spano, took the
initiative to establish its very own online dangerous dog registry to publicize the home addresses of dog owners. Westchester Cty. is busy pressuring local municipalities in the county to contribute home addresses to its public listing.

Even though state law doesn't require them to do it.

So far, they've snared one dog for the Westchester registry.

Sex offender, or dog owner. . .what's the diff to vigilantes?

In his piece titled "Virginia Bureaucracy is Foaming at the Mouth over Dogs", Washington Post columnist Marc Fisher wonders if there's much of a connection between people whose dogs bite other dogs and sex offenders.

But is a registry the right tool for the government to wield against this particular social ill? A sex offenders' registry shines light on something that people try to keep secret -- their disgusting and dangerous criminal records. The problem with dangerous dogs is not finding out where they are, but getting something done about them, and the registry isn't of much help there.

Fisher is right, of course. But treating dog owners like sex offenders could have far more serious repercussions.

Bad dog, bad dog! Whatcha gonna do?

Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

In the opinion of John LaFond, a retired University of Missouri law professor and leading expert on sex offenders and the U. S. penal system, online registries are an open invitation to vigilantism but there is no evidence to indicate that they enhance public safety.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache...p;amp;amp;amp;amp;ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/laws/06apr19_kesich.htm

Vigilantes have used online registries to hunt down, and murder, individuals whose information appeared on them. The killings have provoked debate and criticism, particularly in "progressive" circles. States like Idaho have added a warning to their registry's home page, warning against the use of the information to criminally harass or intimidate.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/04/18/970/08730

http://www.isp.state.id.us/identification/sex_offender/public_access.html

Murder, arson and assault get a free ride. Not owning a dog.



So tell me: Is this any way to treat the owners of a dog that bit a cat?

Does anyone out there really think its reasonable to treat dog owners like rapists?

Why do politicians think its okay to treat our private information like a public commodity? Do drunk drivers have a greater right to privacy than dog owners? How does that work?

Nationally, dog owners represent a healthy chunk of the electorate--an estimated 43% of residences include a dog, and in many places that percentage is much, much higher.

Why are we permitting these useless laws this crap? My Dog Votes, and he sure won't vote for politicians that cannot distinguish between the owners of a dog that gets into a scuffle with another dog, and a sex offender.

Yeesh.

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In Virginia, "dangerous dog" means a dog that has "bitten, attacked, or inflicted injury on a person or companion animal that is a dog or cat, or killed a companion animal that is a dog or cat."
What a bunch of bs, I guess they never heard of prey drive and the owners ability to limit the interaction and train their dog :rolleyes:
 

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But at least the counties laws all say that "no dog shall be deemed dangerous because of breed"

Several counties already have their own "dangerous dog" lists, I guess this database is just compiling them. For Fairfax County, the list is as follows:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/animalservices/pdf/dangerous-dogs-2007.pdf


Edit: Plus in rural counties the law allows a person to kill your dog if your dog is attacking livestock.
 

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Edit: Plus in rural counties the law allows a person to kill your dog if your dog is attacking livestock.
I think this is pretty common in most rural areas. I, personally, have no issue with it as long as the dog isn't allowed to suffer. Dogs chase livestock and kill them or wound them. Either way, it costs the livestock owner money which he will never get back from the dog owner.
 

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"The registry, which is similar in concept to the Sex Offenders Registry, enables people to check to see if dangerous dogs reside in their area"

For now.

But down the road this "registry" will be a list of dogs The Government will be confiscating. And, thanks to the "registry", The Government will know exactly where they are.

Just like *gun registration*.
 

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I'm not sure if this is standard, but where I am anyone can assess the county data base on all crimes and the names of the persons who committed them, their addresses, their sentences etc etc.
This kind of looks like a doggie data base similar to that, although I have no idea what purpose it can serve unless someone plans on hopping fences and trespassing onto dog owners' private properties and want to check first if that's "safe" (tongue in cheek). It might stimulate more irresponsible cat owners to keep their pets inside though.
 

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If someone's loose cat kills a bird in my yard, will it be deemed "vicious" and/or "dangerous?" IMO it's time to shoot down the double standard here.

And I'm totally against this registry.
 

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You see what has been wrought upon us ever since the non smoking lobby had its way? It's been downhill ever since. Once one person's rights are usurped, it is never long before another one and another one is affected, until all of us will be eventually effected multiple times in the name of "Public Safety". Frankly, I was thrilled when smokers got trounced on. I never realized however, the ramifications of that kind of power for the future. I thought my rights were better than their rights. Well....then came seat belt fines. Then came the inability to remove a dangerous air bag for a short person. Then came cell phones while driving. Then came laws banning trans fat. Then came dog dangers. It isn't over yet. When they are done with this, a new set of people will be infringed upon until all of us forget what freedom really means. We have given governments, right down to local yokels, the power to declare anything they want in the name of Public Safety. Nanny America! Welcome!
 

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The registry is useless because how can you tell one black lab apart from another, etc.?
 

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The registry is useless because how can you tell one black lab apart from another, etc.?
By the address. Okay here's a visual. The family moves and doesn't notify the registry. They move right out of the godforsaken state. A second family buys the house and guess what kind of dog they have? You read the registry and think Snoopy is a vicious dog.
 

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By the address. Okay here's a visual. The family moves and doesn't notify the registry. They move right out of the godforsaken state. A second family buys the house and guess what kind of dog they have? You read the registry and think Snoopy is a vicious dog.

Very good point. Now someone is discriminated against and possibly harrassed & threatened all because some politicians love to play politics and screw up people's lives in order to make their own sound fancy & fruitful.
 
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How do you feel about these regestries in regards to other things? Here in Colorado if someone is offended because they saw you peeing outdoors and calls the authorities you can be on the sex offender list. It takes nothing to get on these lists. Lists are a result of public outcry for more safety, sort of like the Salem witch hunts. Dog owners can learn much from aware gun owners about the progression of tyrany when it comes to a scared public.
 

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So if Snip lived in the city, and was out in a backyard..in walks the neighbour's kitty. Snip kills the cat, and now he would get labeled dangerous?!? We take him to do the booth at the Toronto Sportsman show and all about pet show, because he is so good with people.
 
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I think perpetrators who are convicted of high-end crimes should submit to a registry, if that is what the community wants. I don't see a connection between whizzing in public -- the guys in this house have been known to do that -- and raping a kid, or murdering somebody, or robbing a string of houses. If it is necessary that the latter people must walk the street, let them be the ones to have a registry.
 

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Dekka most of the laws I have seen do not apply to the owner's property and trespassing. Basically, if a cat wanders into my dog's yard where my dog is contained, and she kills that cat, the dog cannot be labeled. But if my dog kills a cat on the street, she could be labeled. A dog is not generally labeled as vicious if some jerk breaks into your home and tries to rob it and your dog eats a piece out of him either. There may be exceptions, but most ordinances account for these things.
 

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I think that everyone needs to go back and read "1984". Maybe we didn't get completely screwed up by '84, but if this is any indication, it's coming, sure as bloody blue blazes.
And, BTW, Virginia treats truckers like crap, too. :p
 

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How do you feel about these regestries in regards to other things? Here in Colorado if someone is offended because they saw you peeing outdoors and calls the authorities you can be on the sex offender list. It takes nothing to get on these lists. Lists are a result of public outcry for more safety, sort of like the Salem witch hunts. Dog owners can learn much from aware gun owners about the progression of tyrany when it comes to a scared public.
I do not approve of these lists. I do not approve of too many things in this "justice" system. Especially the SO laws are a joke. Yes, I believe we need to crack down hard on high risk SO's with serious offenses. To be marked a SO because you pee somewhere in the woods or decide to have a quickie in an empty parking lot and stuff like that is ridiculous.

Edit: and these "dangerous dogs" lists... one more way to start prejudice and.. - I can't think of the English word. But you probably know what I mean.
 

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