Antifreeze Petition to Sign!

[Adrienne]

Got this email today, thought others might want to sign the petition, it is an excellent idea.

Hi Adrienne,

Children and pets are poisoned by antifreeze at an alarming rate.

Antifreeze tastes good -- and that's why thousands of children and pets are poisoned each year.

We need your help making antifreeze safer: http://go.care2.com/31451

When children and pets come across antifreeze in the garage, on a shelf, or from a leaky engine, they are too often tempted to take a sip. The American Journal of Emergency Medicine estimates more than 700 children under the age of six, and nearly 10,000 dogs and cats were exposed to its poisonous ingredients.

Because antifreeze contains ethylene glycol, it has a sugary sweet taste. The Senate is considering a bill, the Engine Coolant and Antifreeze Bittering Agent Act of 2005, that requires manufacturers add a bittering agent to all antifreeze containing more than 10% ethylene glycol. Thus, children and animals are discouraged from ingesting it because of its unpalatable taste.

Tell your Senator to make antifreeze safer by passing this law.

Bittering agents are widely available and cost effective. One of the bitterest substances, denatonium benzoate, is already used safely in many other household products. It is also extremely cheap, and would increase the cost of antifreeze by only a couple pennies per gallon. On a $7 bottle of antifreeze, this would be less than a half percent increase to the total price. It's a small price to pay for the safety of kids and pets.

Manufacturers haven't taken adequate steps to protect children and animals -- it's time for us to stand together and demand action.

Sign our petition telling your Senator to vote yes on the Engine Coolant and Antifreeze Bittering Agent Act of 2005.

Thank you for caring to make a difference today,


Michael Lawley,
Care2 and ThePetitionSite team





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[scob89]

I signed it I'm number 11,904.

 

[Adrienne]

Thanks Scob! It just makes sense doesn't it! I wonder why they didn't require something like that years ago, it doesn't seem like it would be all that difficult to add that to it.

 

[Barb04]

I just signed! Thanks for posting.

 

[Benjamin]

Okay will do.

 

[Zoom]

What in the world prompts a kid to look at a jug of anti-freeze and think "Hmm, think I'll pry it open and try it,"? Pets and spills I can understand a bit more.

 

[Melissa_W]

I signed also.

 

[Adrienne]

What in the world prompts a kid to look at a jug of anti-freeze and think "Hmm, think I'll pry it open and try it,"? Pets and spills I can understand a bit more.

Ever had a curious toddler on your hands and a stupid friend who leaves antifreeze laying around? It can happen, scary but true.

 

[Buckshot]

Im gonna hold off, we have enough laws. I will however stop feeding it to kids and animals. As long as politicians and law makers have work to do they will continue to exist. I want to see to it that they have nothing to do, lose their jobs and starve OR find something more productive to do with their life than put more restrictions on ours.

If I let a toddler hang out unsupervised that makes me an idiot. If I have friends that are stupid that also makes me an idiot so I will just avoid the whole situation by not being an idiot. I will commit to responsibility and not put it onto the shoulders of this illusive government ghost that serves under the falsehood that it is a guardian angel.

 

[Adrienne]

Im gonna hold off, we have enough laws. I will however stop feeding it to kids and animals. As long as politicians and law makers have work to do they will continue to exist. I want to see to it that they have nothing to do, lose their jobs and starve OR find something more productive to do with their life than put more restrictions on ours.

If I let a toddler hang out unsupervised that makes me an idiot. If I have friends that are stupid that also makes me an idiot so I will just avoid the whole situation by not being an idiot. I will commit to responsibility and not put it onto the shoulders of this illusive government ghost that serves under the falsehood that it is a guardian angel.

So to get the government to shutdown (which will never happen in our lifetime) you will just ignore the serious fact that dogs like the taste of antifreeze? I just can't see your point of view I guess. Any lives saved being human or animal are LIVES SAVED. Lots of dogs get antifreeze poisioning and it is an extremely painful poisioning. So by simply adding a bittering agent we can help ensure that more dogs (and children with stupid parent's) will not have to suffer from ingesting it. Where is your logic? Just asking, not trying to start anything. From an ethical standpoint I just don't get it, LOL!

 

[Buckshot]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrienne

So to get the government to shutdown (which will never happen in our lifetime)

You can tell the future?

you will just ignore the serious fact that dogs like the taste of antifreeze?

No, I will ensure that none of mine are around any toxic chemicals.

I just can't see your point of view I guess. Any lives saved being human or animal are LIVES SAVED. Lots of dogs get antifreeze poisioning and it is an extremely painful poisioning. So by simply adding a bittering agent we can help ensure that more dogs (and children with stupid parent's) will not have to suffer from ingesting it. Where is your logic?

Thanks, that makes a good point the gene pool of idiots could get reduced this way. Add your own bittering agent. Or create demand for this product so someone can take advantage of it and make a killing.

Just asking, not trying to start anything. From an ethical standpoint I just don't get it, LOL!

You don’t have to worry about starting anything. You certainly don’t have to worry about making me upset. I enjoy these chats and enjoy the difference of opinions and enjoy the laughter that I hope we can all get out of a bad situation ie like stupid people leaving spilled or opened antifreeze where anything can ingest it.

The common thread in all of the deaths is an irresponsible person. Irresponsible people will leave poison around, drive like morons, run with sharp things in their mouths and who knows what goes on in the head of an idiot..well besides another idiot? As I have mentioned in previous posts that you can put people in concrete boxes with barred windows, no outside involvement and the idiots will still find ways to get hurt and kill each other. Just a mere 20 years ago we had much less laws on just about everything, people thought more, and the incidence of idiots taking lives was substantially less. Since the laws don’t help, why bother with them? It just empowers the same government that wants to outlaw dog breeds

 

[Buckshot]

Let me add to this. I would love to see a company come out with an antifreeze product that tastes and smells awful and to do it for cheaper than what current antifreeze companies are making it for. Then every one will want it, there will be no force, it will create competiton in our free enterpise system...Now that excites me. Offer me a product with a bunch of pluses I will jump on it. Offer me the same product for 2 bucks more a gallon with something nasty tasting in it and see if I dont just the same ole stuff I have had sitting in the garage for 8 years

 

[bogolove]

I signed it and e-mailed it to everyone I could think of.

 

[Buckshot]

I signed it and e-mailed it to everyone I could think of.

I bet thats the same thing some guy whos kid got bit by a pit bull did.

 

[bogolove]

I have a friend whose dog died from this stuff because some a$$hole poured it over her fence and since it tastes so good, he of course drank it, went into convulsions, throwing up and convulsing in her lap, and died right in her lap on the way to the vet. I sure bet she signs it too.

I say better safe than sorry.

 

[Buckshot]

I have a friend whose dog died from this stuff because some a$$hole poured it over her fence and since it tastes so good, he of course drank it, went into convulsions, throwing up and convulsing in her lap, and died right in her lap on the way to the vet. I sure bet she signs it too.

I say better safe than sorry.

This is how all fascism begins. Just dont complain when you are the victim of the same government you support. As I have said so many times the common thread is an irresponsible person, allowing them to think less wont fix anything. Hes the same dumb ass that can put rat poison, drain cleaner and many, many other subtances in a chunk of hamburger to do the same thing. Should we outlaw hamburger? Should we outlaw ground glass? I know many fascists will say yes to those but will outlawing it matter....no. People just eat up this safety crap like its candy...suprise, even though we have ten times the ordinances of 50 years ago we are less safe.

 

[bogolove]

And I do agree with what you are saying, but I saw my friend's face as she retold the story of what happened to her dog, and my heart won over my brain on this particular issue. I saw the pain and the hurt, and I just think that a bitter agent should be added to antifreeze. I know that even so, some a$$ will just find another way to poison a dog, and so on, but I saw her face, and I saw her cry, and I jsut think it makes sense to do this. Why would you want something that is poisonous to taste good, you know? It is just asking for trouble, and you don't even have to make a person intent on poisoning an animal work for it (like stuffing poinson in a hotdog or steak), all they have to do is pour it out of the container.

 

[Melissa_W]

Hmmmm...

Well, I would LIKE to live in a libertarian society as much as you Buckshot. BUT that's far from reality. The way I see it, they are going to keep putting laws on the books whether I like it or not. Most of the laws out there are protecting big business and shit on the common man. At least this law would actually do something positive for kids and dogs.

But that's just my $.02.

 

[Buckshot]

Too bad we couldnt see the faces of the men having their frozen body parts sawed off at valley forge trying to gain the freedom we so freely piss away. Then we all would think with our hearts as well...maybe

As I have said I would buy a product that tastes bad if it is cheaper. Do you think that would be the case? I dont, I think the antifreeze companies would gladly embrace this plan and make a more expensive product. So instead of creating free enterprise we make our world just a tiny bit more fascist. This will allow idiots to dump the same highly toxic material down any gutter they wish they just will have to be more creative when killing dogs. If they are too lazy to beat on a glass jar for 10 seconds and roll the peices up into a meatball they arent very determined in the first place. Usually for someone to risk 5 years of prison time for animal cruelty that person seriously wants that dog dead and would make the extra effort.

 

[Buckshot]

Hmmmm...

Well, I would LIKE to live in a libertarian society as much as you Buckshot. BUT that's far from reality. The way I see it, they are going to keep putting laws on the books whether I like it or not. Most of the laws out there are protecting big business and shit on the common man. At least this law would actually do something positive for kids and dogs.

But that's just my $.02.

Im not Libertarian. Libertarianism is my limit of compromise.

The fire of huge government burns too big as is, so you want to just throw a little more wood on it?

The common man is doing this to himself and deserves it. We are the common man and we are screaming for more laws, this forum is full of ..this should be illegal...that should be illegal. But then cry like a bunch of babies when someone wants to outlaw their dog... We deserve it!! We deserve it when cops kick down doors and shoot innocent people. We deserve it when you get a ticket for not having your turn signal on when there was no one with in a mile of you except the cop. Next time you get nailed for some petty crap just say "hey, officer I vote and petition to take away other peoples rights so give me that ticket, btw fine job!" As much as we deserve to live in crates our children do not and thats what we are setting up with every pull of the lever and every "great idea" that comes down the pike.