Need advice about bruno (aggression)

its the truth lovey, if you dont believe me then thats your problem not mine.

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This line right here confuses me. Do you want him to behave when people come by or do you want him to bark and growl?

double post...sorry

Hedwig, I haven't read any of your previous posts, but what I am reading here really makes me mad. It sounds like you have absolutely no control over your dog and are putting him repeatedly in situations where this behavior is going to be reinforced and somebody is eventually going to get hurt. This is your fault and it's time to either s**t or get off the pot. It sounds to me like you are the root cause of his problems and you need to change your behavior before you can expect him to change his. A naturally dominant dog with a weak, indecisive owner is not only a social climber, he's also insecure because chances are life is full of mixed messages and he feels the need to defend. I've rehabbed several dogs with serious behavioral issues and almost every time I've found that what these dogs are looking for is firm, decisive leadership and structure which they didn't get in their previous homes. If you haven't already, read through this article carefully:

http://www.syntari.com/leader.htm

Next, I think you've reached the point where you need to get off the net and contact a behaviorist with experience dealing with these kinds of issues and who can evaluate him in person. Long rambling posts here aren't going to help and it's pretty clear they aren't going to find sympathy if you're unwilling to put any real effort into resolving the problem. While my post may sound harsh, and believe me it is not a personal attack on you, I really wish the best in turning around this situation and I hate to see the dog pay the price if that 's not going to happen. If you were closer, I would offer to meet with you and him, but you're going to need to find competent help in your area.

Debbie

yada yada..........

And what i meant in him barking and growling was after his problems are sorted, you no when he isnt fearfull, which may take a very long time i admit, he wants to train him to bark on command and growl.

So if anyone does come over when we not in he can let them no he is there, because he doesnt at the moment.

He also doesnt give any warning that he will bite at the moment so i think he wants to teach him to growl first to say he is unhappy instead of just lunging.

And im talking about when we out at the vets or on common ground where he doesnt growl or bark, unlike in the home.

And by this time his behaviour should be alot better anyway

Basically expect from this trainer/behaviorist to do what any other would do to fix his problem.

Plus do extra with him to get him fit, to be used as a working dog such as pulling things. and it will give him a mental workout as well if kept busy

Is there really a need for the "yada yada".... you are the only one on this thread being rude, everyone has gone above and beyond to try to offer advice, and you just sling muck in thier face with your rude comments.

I have to agree with Reggin... it doesnt seem like you really want help for this dog. If you honestly did, you wouldn't be calling people "bitch" or any of your other smart mouth remarks. I for one am sick of your rudeness to people who honestly care.

Im not the one flamming people, you may not see it as that but it aint exactly nice, you get what you recieve.

Dunno maby im just a sensative soul then.

And i reallyyyy dont get you. i say my living conditions aint good enough, you agree and say he needs a trainer. i get him a trainer and you say its still not good enough and say i should keep him and tell me to work with him.

make up your minds. the only difference with this trainer is he is getting a stable home at the end of it who noes how to deal with these things.

opcorn:

Thats not what I am refering to. If anyone this, we could all do without the defensive attitude. You act like we are all ganging up on you when all we are trying to do is help.

But I can see this is getting me no where, as you choose not to see my point.

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I usually keep my mouth shut in threads like these. I avoid confrontation at all costs, but it's high time I step up to the plate here.

I have to agree with sunnierhawk- people have definitely given you great advice and you have rejected any advice given with a bad attitude to top it off. I've gotten to really know a lot of people on this forum and I have seen some of the best dog advice unearthed from these very pages. People on this board really do care. They are not out to get you like your threads seem to state. Whether you choose to open up your eyes and see that is all up to you. I however think it's unfortunate for you to taint a forum that is so amazingly beneficial to anyone seeking to better themselves as dog owners. In the end it is your choice what you decide to do about Bruno, but please don't jump down the throats of people who go out of their way to offer you help; especially when you ask for it.

Sometimes people are going to give you advice that you disagree with. Sometimes things said will come off harsh... it's called constructive criticism which by definition means they are serving to advance, improve and be helpful. I have not seen one response noted that implied that the poster was trying to pick a fight with you.

You have put a wall up and again that is unfortunate. Spill whatever fire you want at me because nothing you say to me is going to nock me off my feet or upset me. I know where I stand on this forum. I have a very deep appreciation and respect for the members I have had the privledge of getting to know here on Chaz.

You say you've found a trainer. That's progress yes, but have you really researched this trainer? Have you talked to people who have used him for help with their dogs? Anyone can say they're a dog trainer. Look at Cesar Millan as a perfect example of such. He does not impress me as a dog trainer and does not have my respect as I disagree with his methods. A trainer that train dogs for tv shows or what have you may be a great trainer... but for a dog with aggression this guy may not be what you're looking for. A plumber may be great at his work, but would you hire him to fix your electricity? No, because it would not be his area of expertise.

You say you want him to be able to growl and bark on command and be some great guard dog... but then you say earlier that you were upset by how he acts when people come over to have tea or whatever with his "aggressive" manner. Which is it that you want? Everything that you've described gives me the impression that he's acting out on fear. My advice is that you sit back and really think about what it is that you're truly trying to accomplish and acheive with this dog. He needs help and he needs a lot of work. First you want to rehome him, then you say you agree that he's not rehome-able... now you want to eventually rehome him again? Which is it?

I'll be frank, after really reading and re-reading this thread I still can't make two cents what it is that you honestly want out of this dog. You need to figure it out because as it currently stands, he is only going to continue to get worse.

I simply cant understand why you dont understand.

He is trained in this area, he does it for a living. he is going their to be evaluated, treated to be not fearful or take some aggression out of his fear, i dont no what you want to call it really.

And yes bruno does bark AT people when they come IN the house. i wanted him to bark before they get in the home and then with a word relax and let them in. so the opposite of what he is doing now.

And yes i want to rehome him still! BUT not before he goes to a behavourist and gets his problems sorted out. And he is going to live with Another trainer, NOT A FAMILY OR NORMAL HOME. but by this time ot shouldnt matter as much anyway because they will be carrying on his training.

unless your saying that any trainer cannot fix him and even if he has been retrained should never be rehomed, even to a trainer themselves. is this what your saying?

And i like ceaser millan alot. i like his methods. Each o their own. someone suggested another trainer to me who i cant stand also. i would sooner hang myself then let him touch bruno.

And the guy has a good rep with these types of dog cases yes.

Sounds like you just want rid of a dog, to me.

All this dog needs is some real love and training... he needs to bond with someone. He needs a leader... someone who can show him the ways of being a well behaved dog.

The way it looks... oh nevermind. Just be sure to look at his face when you hand that leash over to his new owner.

My experience with dogs - and some of you KNOW what kind of dogs I have, whether from meeting mine in person or knowing the breeds - and I've always had dogs with hard temperaments, even as a young child - tells me that first and foremost, a dog who acts aggressively (which is usually DEFENSIVE - not truly aggressive) is most often making up for a lack of self confidence . . . very much like we do.

I hope, Hedwig, that the trainer you've found and YOU - and you are important in this - can do your utmost to build Bruno's self confidence. A confident dog doesn't need to threaten or bite indiscriminately. A confident dog TRUSTS his/her person. A confident dog doesn't perceive threats from every stranger or whenever the door opens. A confident dog knows he/she can protect his charge if it becomes necessary . . . there is no need to precipitate hostility.

Stress and fear are, I think, the biggest causes of dogs acting in ways that get them into trouble. Confidence helps a dog deal with and overcome so many issues

I've been reading this thread but avoiding it. Honestly, the only one I see being rude is you. Maybe if you'd come to this with a better attitude, you'd find more help. Even with you insulting people, everyone is still trying to help you. There is absolutely no need for the snide remarks in your posts.

None of us will fix this over the internet. You need a professional, which you say you've got. That's a good start. Hopefully he can help Bruno.

I have to say though that if his aggression is as you are saying, it is highly irresponsible to adopt him out. Especially to a family with children! If he bit someone, that would have been your fault.

Amen to everything Renee just said

ETA: and everything Laurelin said too... since she and I posted at the same time and I just read what she wrote

If I can sort through this properly...Hedwig, you've found a trainer who is going to take him off your hands and train him and then do the rehoming for you, correct? I hope for Bruno's sake it works. Thank you for getting him some sort of help.

Have fun skimming ponds with Pete.

But i didnt no how bad he truley was till she brought him back and then yesterday comfermed it.

he isnt fearfull of everyone though. he loves some people at the sight of them. most people he gets on with after two mins of sharing the room but when he doesnt like someone your in for troubl.

And angel im going to be homeless in 3 monthes time so it really doesnt matter if i want him or not

It was a joke lol, i have 70 fish in that pond. lol

dont wanta end up with several floating fish because i smack them on the head when the rocks sink hehe