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Thing is, it's not the correctly, ethically and soundly bred game-bred lines and "hog dogs" that have caused the negative publicity and allowed the fear mongers to open the doors to HSUS and their ilk and create the cesspool of hate and irrational fear and loathing we're having to battle now - it's the Gangstabull, the oversized, wide, distorted bastardization of the breed being popularized by . . . well . . . if the shoe fits.

It's not the old, retired dogmen who are to blame, it's the new, badass punk breeders who are ultimately responsible for the spectre of extinction looming over the APBT today.

More like what performance titles haven't poodles, as a breed, achieved. If you're breeding, then YES it makes it better!

We're not typically supporters of designer breeds. And as for those in the past who created the breeds we have today, they were bred for a purpose. What are you hoping to achieve with your breeding program? Frankly, I looked at your dogs and found the pictures more than a bit sad. What are you hoping to accomplish besides ruining APBTs and crippling them?

Again, Whatever breed you have and like, was a variation of some other breed standard and you can bet spoken of abusively by purist. Does that make it wrong?

The titles themselves? Heck no. They're just pieces of paper. It's what it takes to earn those titles that make it a better dog, and those little letters behind their names prove what kinds of dogs they are for all to see. You don't have to rely on what kennel-blind owners may say, and you can rely on the expert opinions of impartial judges to evaluate the dogs' quality.

We aren't talking about some "standard." We are talking about the widely acknowledged official breed standard of your breed. If your dogs are registered as American Pit Bull Terriers and you are breeding them to create more APBTs, then that standard is applicable and if you were an ethical breeder you'd be following it. If you do not consider your dogs APBTs and are creating something different, what exactly are you (and why did you point out they were UKC registered if it means so little)? There ought to be a standard you're working towards. If there isn't, you're just breeding willy-nilly with no goal in mind, and that in itself isn't ethical in my opinion.

Also - you seem to have missed my questions abour return policy. What is it?

Pit bulls are supposed to have drive and tenacity.

Poodles have performance titles in many sports. There also are pit bulls with a number of performance titles. Performance titles ~ especially advanced level titles ~ shows me that the dog can do work. That he has the necessary structure and health to do sport.

Well, it's not the ethically bred game-bred lines, but neither is the Gangstabull that has caused negative publicity. It is not any breed of dog that has done this. It's the owners who don't manage their dogs, it's the media who reports on every pit bull sighting, it's the ACOs and LEOs who can't tell a pit bull from a chihuahua, so they just call anything with a smooth coat a pit bull. It's JQP who continues to donate money to organizations that are only interested in how to use The Big Lie to bring about the extinction of this breed - followed by all the other breeds we love.

So that means you need to go breed more right...just because they are in high demand?



Do you honestly think that the "pit bulls" drive and tenacity is what is hurting the breed? I am not sure whether to laugh or shake my head at that comment.



Ah but you DO have a new standard established: http://www.abkcdogs.org/

and your dogs fit that to a T....and that is fine. Really. I could honestly care less what type of dog you want to own, or what you do with your dogs...as long as you are calling them what they ARE....American Bullies. Your dogs are NOT American Pit bull Terriers.

The line between "pit bull type" breeds is cloudy enough for you to be carelessly labeling them as another breed.



This "mr.pitbull"- is an American Pit bull Terrier



Do you honestly believe that your dogs are just a "variation" of gamedogs Lilbit pictured above?



For being "mr.pitbull" you sure seem to be in the dark.

(sorry for swiping your pic Marty- but I figured you wouldn't mind in this case )

To say your dogs are "variations" of pit bulls is to say a poodle is a variation of a pit bull........ ie, they're both DOGS, but that's about where the similarity ends.

I think you'll find that most people on here will be opposed to your breeding programme as they only approve of breeders who stick to the standard, compete with their dogs and complete genetic testing on them.

I would like to address some of your posts:

Thats nice put the UKC registers lots of things that aren't anywhere near the original (go look at Russell Terriers.. they are just as far off a useful hunting terrier as your dogs are)


As is any boxer cross, large headed lab... just cause Law inforcemtn likes to paint with a wide brush does not make your dogs any more APBT than a lab is.

Umm well that is an interesting statement. Its bad owners that give dogs bad raps... not the dogs. Your site seems to facilitate just anyone buying one of your dogs. The bully type is seen as more 'bad ass' and is more likely to be bought by people who will train (or due to a lack of training) the dog to be 'aggressive'. Tho the fat, hippo, unathletic version you're breeding might actually be safer because I am sure they could be outrun by my grandmother....


As I stated above its bad owners who create the bad rap. Your site screams flash and fun.. all geared to pull in the 'wrong' kind of owner. If you were breeding these bully dogs ethically I am sure there would be some disagreements.. but nothing as vehement as this.

i own american pit bull terriers. both are shelter dogs. i can guarantee they'd be spoken better of by "purists" than the dogs that you're pumping out.

yes, there is a demand for overdone hippo dogs, and that's the bottom line for you isn't it? the dollar signs. who cares about ethics, who cares about creating physically sound dogs who are what they are supposed to be, when there is money to be made from them?

once upon a time i was looking at poodle breeders, and the one i was looking at most seriously had obedience, rally, agility, and field titles on her dogs. poodles are supposed to be a retrieving breed, and performance is the most important thing to me.

and before you look down your nose too far at poodles, a team of them once ran and finished the iditarod sled dog race. those aren't wimpy dogs, no matter how you slice it. how far can your dogs run?

and what titles did you say you'd put on them? the american pit bull terrier is the ultimate in versatility, after all.

About titles..

What proof do you have that your dogs are great examples of their type?

My dogs are all titled in many venues. And some of them even work! It proves they are trainable, biddable (for JRTs) healthy sound dogs who can stand up to the rigours of performance and trialling.

The breed itself doesn't matter. If you have a yorkie, a gooldendoodle (tho thats not a breed.. but will throw it out there), or a great dane.. ALL good breeders have titles. If you can't title your dog in something then you have some serious issues.

I am sure you love your dogs, and you do seem to feed them well. But thats not really the point. MANY MANY bybs LOVE their dogs. Love, in this case, is not enough. You need to LOVE the puppies... and I don't see that through your site.

Do you have a copy of your puppy contract? How long do you guarantee the pups health for? Must they return the pup to you if they can't keep it? With so many pups being pumped out.. are you keeping in contact with all your puppy buyers?

I am not against making new breeds... as long as there is a NEED. Demand is a good start... but is it demand from the sort of people who SHOULD own the product?

I'm not sure he wants to hear that advice.

And I'm an APBT owner that has had 4 litters in 12 years and I only let go of 3 of those resulting puppies. In no way, shape, or form am I a breeder and God forbid I ever become a puppy peddler. And I have never heard of you or your dogs.

But then again, I own a completely different breed than you do.

Some American Pit Bull Terriers (mine):

Akecheta - daughter of Ratliff's Butkus - 50 lbs chain weight



Shea - Jeep - 36 lbs chain weight

Rex - Jeep - tall & leggy at 53 lbs





Shaker - OFRN (Hemphill/Wilder) - the largest in the upper 50's chain weight

Miakoda - Bolio/OFRN cross - 42 lbs

I gotta run & take care of the boys, but I'll be back with more.

Question: What does "chain weight" mean and how does it differ from "normal weight"?

I love me some Miakoda...rest in peace sweet girl.

great Post Mia

Awww, Miakoda. She was so beautiful.