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We have an AKC registered black Lab female that is 1 yr 9 mo old. We also have an AKC registered chocolate Lab male that is 8 1/2 wks old. We just got him 5/13th. Our girls name is Black Tear of Cheyene (Tira) and our boy is Gunners Mate (Gunner). We plan on breeding them in 7 months when he's at least 2 months above the minimum breeding age. He is going to top out at close to 90 lbs full grow. Tira currently weighs 70 lbs. We have started a website and a few classifieds online trying to get the word out about their litter in early 2007. Tira's pedigree includes SH, MH, AFC and FC. (Edited by Moderator - No dogs allow for sale on the forum ). There are only two genetic combinations that yield chocolate Labs, the pedigree is very nice and both are AKC registered (by then they may also be UKC registered).

We truly love our Labs so very much and want to keep their lines going. Please visit our website and check out what they look like now and email us if you are interested or if you have any questions.
 
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I do hope you plan on extensive health testing...and getting titles on your own dogs. Shiny coats is not enough of a reason to bring yet more labs into an already overpopulated world.
 

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I do hope you plan on extensive health testing...and getting titles on your own dogs. Shiny coats is not enough of a reason to bring yet more labs into an already overpopulated world.
Ditto ^
 

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Hello and welcome to Chaz.

I am very concerned with your future breeding practices. You want to breed a 10 month old male? When will hip/eye clearance be done?
How do you know at 8 weeks that this dog will be worthy of breeding?

I am sorry but it really sounds as though you are more worried about having pups than enjoying your dogs. Labs are so overbred by people maybe with good intentions, but not really knowing the overall picture of what happens to these dogs. There are too many labs already. Why contribute to the problem?

The best thing for you to do is join a labrador retriever club and learn from those with experience in the breed.

Why would you charge more for a choc pup? Does it cost more to raise?
Or are they just more desired by the consumer and you should profit?

Here is a great link to coat color genetics. As you will see there are many combos that produce chocolates.
http://www.blueknightlabs.com/color/coatcolor.html

I am sooooooooo not trying to be rude, but I have very strong feelings about breeding, labs...especially.

Do you hunt with your labs?

I hope you reconsider breeding until a later age, at least health tests could be done. And you would have time to prove they are worthy of breeding. ;)
 
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BYB or a hobbiest?

I'm thinking BYB because he stated the price for the puppies. He wouldn't have mentioned it if it was not an important aspect of his breeding.
 

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I'm thinking BYB because he stated the price for the puppies. He wouldn't have mentioned it if it was not an important aspect of his breeding.

Woah, woah guys...
We don't KNOW for certain very much about this person. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and wait and see his reply. We don't want to chase away a new member! Another thing; lets say that it turns out he is a BYB. We don't want him to leave! If we are POLITE and UNDERSTANDING then we can change his ways (hopefully).
Manners Chaz member, manners!
LOL

~Tucker
 
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~Tucker&Me~ said:
Woah, woah guys...
We don't KNOW for certain very much about this person. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and wait and see his reply. We don't want to chase away a new member! Another thing; lets say that it turns out he is a BYB. We don't want him to leave! If we are POLITE and UNDERSTANDING then we can change his ways (hopefully).
Manners Chaz member, manners!
LOL

~Tucker
Oh NOW people want to be polite after already chasing off tons of people.
 

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I don't believe I chased off anyone, or at least I hope not! :)
I always try and be polite, giving people the benefit of the doubt.
I figured it would be nice to remind people to treat all members respectfully. As for chasing tons of people off, I thought that having 'reminders' might help if a situation gets sticky.

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Rethink the breeding and postpone it to title your dogs as well as getting the proper testing done to make sure for the betterment of the breed.
 

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Seriously... let's allow the OP to post back, before judging him/her :(

Labbreeder, I would second the recommendation of waiting until at least 1 year to test your male's hips/elbows/etc. You also need to test your female. Why? Labradors are PLAGUED with hip and elbow dysplasia in the breed. This is a crippling, expensive, painful disease and can be easily prevented by preventative measures such as testing parents and not breeding carriers. Every single one of the 7 years+ Labs that I know (all from inexperienced breeder who did not test the parents) have hip dysplasia! One of which, my best friend's male Lab, is 9 and has had 2 painful hip surgeries and he's going in for another this summer. Several have luxating patellas, also. My sister has a Lab from breeders who also aimed for nothing but appearance, no health testing, and he showed signs of severe dysplasia before he was 1 year old! I just wanted to give you an idea of this terrible issue in the breed, please research this to make yourself aware and educated. I guarentee that many more people (or atleast more conscious, educated people) will be interested in puppies from health tested parents, with a health guarentee on the pups! Additionally, ANY knowledgable person looking for a Lab WILL look for hunting titles on your dogs. Hunting & dock diving is tons of fun for you and your dogs, it will prove their worth as breeding stock (after all - if Labrador Retrievers are not proven as excellent working/retrieving dogs, WHY are they even Labs? And WHY are they worthy of passing on their line?). Please, just think about this thoroughly. You aren't just putting 2 dogs together, you are bringing lives into a world of severe animal overpopulation. Make sure your dogs are worth breeding - which does not mean they're just sweet pets, they also need to be physically sound, conformationally correct, AND proven to perform the work of their breed.
 
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First of all I AM NOT a back yard breeder, or BYB, as you so delicately put it. I come here trying to tell people about my Labs because I am very proud of them!!! Yes, I did post the price because some people are interested in such things. I know Tira is great for breeding purposes...besides her pedigree she's been thorougly checked by our vet and nothing has been found to be wrong with her hips, eyes, elbows or anything else. As for Gunner, if he turns out anything like his father, mother or older brothers and sisters he will be the perfect male. He will get everything checked just like Tira did and I will tell whoever is interested whatever they want to know. As for being a higher price for chocolates...it's not more expensive to keep them but it is more of a challenge for some people to breed them if they don't already have the genetic combinations to produce a chocolate. There are only 2 combinations that yield a chocolate Lab, black/chocolate or chocolate/chocolate. As for our dogs doing any hunting/field work...currently they don't. He's to young and she's in heat currently.
If you want to be worried about overpopulation you need to jump down the throats of the people that are "breeding" goldendoodles, labradoodles, puggles, schnoodles, etc. All these people are doing is creating a mixed breed (which I have no problems with) that they charge upwards of 500 dollars for. What sense does that make? If you want a mixed breed, go to the pound and help out a homeless dog...don't go to a BYB or somesuch and pay for a mixed breed. These dogs are not registered as a breed and the only papers they get are CKC "non purebred dog" papers that state the parents were two different purebreds.
So, before you all jump down my throat for being proud of my dogs and their pedigree, think about what the people I just mentioned are doing. Yell at them. I don't appreciate the way you have been treating me. I thought this was supposed to be a good place to talk about your dogs and kind of have fun. I guess all but ONE of you have proven that wrong.
 
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I know of the issues with Labs and health issues. I'm not new to this, no matter what you people here may think. My husband was an avid Lab breeder and hunter and we both decided to get back into it. You all judge way to harshly before knowing someone.
 

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You haven't been around us long enough - we do "jump down the throats" of the doodle/poo/designer/hybrid breeders. Do a search on designer breeds or hybrids and you will see these same people asking THOSE people if their dogs are tested for all of the known ailments and/or are titled in obedience/agility/herding/schutzhund etc.

We're all purpose jumpers... not just hounding you specifically.
 

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Lab breeder You have to look at it from our point of view. You may be used to one thing and it may have worked for you but that doesn't mean its what should really be done. We see people come on hre all the time trying to breeed puppies or people that have gotten the puppies crying because they have thousands in vet bills.

* the first thing is your vet could tell you your dog would be a champion but it doens't really mean anything. Vets will tell anyone that there dog is great to breed. it brings them more money and more customers. Your vet can not even do these health tests untill a dog is two so I'm nto sure what he told you. I'm a firm beleiver that these tests need done.

*90 lbs is a little hefty for a lab. this brings a lot of problems and even with health tests passed at two it makes a huge risk for hip dysplasia later in life. If you are breeding for the right reasons you want to breed in standard. Do it because you love the breed-not because soem people who don't,want a bigger lab.

*Any color with choclate in the genes will actually create choclate. Health testing is even mroe needed with choclates because they are the most inbred of the breed. its the only way you get the color. My neighbors bred theirs and the pups are only about a yr old and people have already started asking for money to get hips done. They don't want to pay cuz their femalhas no problems so why should they? they are going to end up being sued and are going to loose a ton but its what happens when you don't even research what you are doing.

*A byb is someone who does not breed dogs to standard,doesn't health test,and sells for insane prices for no reason. You can easilly change all of this. There is no reason you have to breed as soon as you wanted. I didn't see how much you wanted for the dogs but a sure sign of a byb is diffrent prices for diffrent colors. A choclate should be no more than a yellow,especially since more health problems are seen with them. How do you account for the price? Most breeders say its because of health testing(which you won't do) and showing(which I am guessing you are not). Any oen who researched it would come to the conclusion you were a byb. I'm sorry but thats what it comes off as.

My parents bred labs and they didn not helath test BUT this was twenty years ago. they did field tests and not a one died before fifteen. Who can say that for a lab now? My dad looked at getting back into it and can not find a single line that isn't eitheir short lived or has a ton of hx of hip dysplasia. if he would have looked at your program breeding a dog under two he would have never even thought about it.

The thing is that anyone worth giving a pup to will know better than to buy a puppy from a dog that is not even two yet. There really isn't a way aorund it. this is what I show everyone looking for a dog
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=787

All that said I love labs and hope you stick around and keep showing us your dogs. Two years is really no time to wait to ensure you have healthy dogs and will get the new pups great owners. It really is worth it.
 

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There are only 2 combinations that yield a chocolate Lab, black/chocolate or chocolate/chocolate.
No, that is certainly not true.
Yellow/Choc can produce choc pups. (NBP Yellow to a Choc.
100% Cy)


Black/Yellow can produce choc pups. (Black who carries Yel. and Choc. bred to a Yellow who carries Choc.
Produces 12.5% By ~ 12.5% Yy ~ 25%Byc ~ 25% Yc ~ 12.5% Cy and 12.5% NBP yellow)


Black/Yellow can produce choc pups. (Black who carries choc. bred to a NBP yellow
Produces 50% Byc and 50% Cy)


The only 100% is two yellows will have all yellows.
Even two choc's that both carry yellow can have a yellow.
Unless of course you know your specific dog's color genes, then you can
pretty know what colors to expect.

Again, the best way to start on the right foot is find a mentor, join a club.
And educate yourself.

By the way, to get OFA hip certs the dog has to be two years old. Will you be doing that before breeding? If you breed the male at 10 months it will be impossible for him to be hip certified.
 
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If all you people are going to do is get on my case, maybe I should leave? If you do your research you will see that only 2 (TWO) genetic combos give you a chocolate. I've done the research, I know. I have many books on breeding, genetics, health, etc.
As for health, again, she is close to 2 yrs old as is. I plan on getting her tested again before breeding, not that that's any of your business though.
In regards to the 90 lb size, it's an estimate. I know males are only supposed to top out at around 65lbs or so. However, he has large feet and is big for his age so I'm guessing he'll be big like his father and other relatives. I don't know exactly how much they weigh, but they are at least 70 lbs.
Anyways, if no one has anything positive to say...and no one wants to see that I've been doing what's supposed to be done prior to breeding...then that is ya'lls problem, not mine! I don't need to be degraded and put down by people that don't know us or our dogs!!!
 
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I never said the male was certified! Why don't you people listen?
As for your genetic combinations...I do know what is in their line. I also know that you, or your book about genetics, could very well be wrong. I will continue to go by my book and by what AKC and other groups say. I don't know you, so why should I believe you? You sure as hell don't believe me.
I don't appreciate ya'lls attitude at all.
 

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