You make me sick.... (Designer Breeders)
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Agree totally
I agree with you totally. I have a standard poodle and simply can't understand why they would need to be mixed with anything and for what? I got my Chippy as an adult from a friend of a friend who is a reputable standard poodle breeder and also shows them.
He has the perfect temperament and is so totally easy to get on with. He loves everyone, is very sociable with other dogs and adores our two cats. So no need to improve on at all.
And I think the price they are charging for these mixed breeds is outrageous but unfortunately as long as people are buying them these so called 'designer breeds' will continue to be bred.
I agree with you totally. I have a standard poodle and simply can't understand why they would need to be mixed with anything and for what? I got my Chippy as an adult from a friend of a friend who is a reputable standard poodle breeder and also shows them.
He has the perfect temperament and is so totally easy to get on with. He loves everyone, is very sociable with other dogs and adores our two cats. So no need to improve on at all.
And I think the price they are charging for these mixed breeds is outrageous but unfortunately as long as people are buying them these so called 'designer breeds' will continue to be bred.
That all depends on what area you live in. Here, in cattle country (and many other states I am sure one look on sites like www.ranchworldads.com will show that) there IS still a market for dogs who will work stock. But it has been IME that the instincts that make a good stock and farm dog also make a good sport dog. Working ability also shouldn't mean a dog with no off switch, since a dog with no off switch is useless on a farm.
Also, ranchers crossbreed all the time based on working ability, so I am not totally against crossbreeding as long as it's not done simply to feed a fad, remember many of the breeds we know today are a result of experimentation.
Also, ranchers crossbreed all the time based on working ability, so I am not totally against crossbreeding as long as it's not done simply to feed a fad, remember many of the breeds we know today are a result of experimentation.
But are they mixes that people want? For example people wanting a large doodle aren't going to want a chi cross or a lab hound cross (for example)
Its a little like saying well since there are labs we don't need goldens or tollers or any other retriever. And everyone who wants a terrier should have a JRT...
To me its not the number of breeds but the number of dogs that is the problem. I know people who have tried going to the shelter and never found a dog that works for them.
Its a little like saying well since there are labs we don't need goldens or tollers or any other retriever. And everyone who wants a terrier should have a JRT...
To me its not the number of breeds but the number of dogs that is the problem. I know people who have tried going to the shelter and never found a dog that works for them.
^ This.
And honestly, I hate it when people say, "Well, there is always the shelter." Because what if someone wants a health tested dog from known lineage as a companion? What if someone wants a puppy, but wants to pretty much know how that puppy will develop? Is that too much to ask? Not to mention most purebred "companion breeds" would be a horrible fit for some people's lifestyle (mine included).
And honestly, I hate it when people say, "Well, there is always the shelter." Because what if someone wants a health tested dog from known lineage as a companion? What if someone wants a puppy, but wants to pretty much know how that puppy will develop? Is that too much to ask? Not to mention most purebred "companion breeds" would be a horrible fit for some people's lifestyle (mine included).
I'm told that the point is that some people want a companion dog with a solid temperament, sound conformation, and known parentage and genetic background. Rescue dogs can be wonderful, but they can also be health and temperament nightmares, and getting one from a breeder who health tests and breeds for sound and bombproof dogs ups their odds of to getting those qualities.
Hence my question as to whether any breed mash up is ethical/acceptable/cool as long as the breeder health tests their stock and selects breeding dogs with spectacular pet temperaments.
Hence my question as to whether any breed mash up is ethical/acceptable/cool as long as the breeder health tests their stock and selects breeding dogs with spectacular pet temperaments.
But, big but, and jumping in without reading the thread....
Which breeders will allow their dogs to he used to be bred in mixed breed pairings?
In my experience, hardcore breed advocates generally produce the best of their breed. They understand the lines, the conformation, the genetics, the dog as a whole, the working traits/temperament etc etc etc. And they are ALL ABOUT preserving those qualities.
I don't know a single breeder who would sell a puppy to someone intending to use a very well bred dog from excellent lines to produce a companion mixed breed.
Which leaves the door open to who exactly? People purchasing dogs from people who maybe don't care so much? Or people dishonestly purchasing dogs to use without the breeder consent or knowledge?
I don't have any issue what so EVER with WHAT is being bred, but it's how it's done, and I personally don't believe you will get the best of the best, and we should only be breeding the best of the best out of love for our dogs - to breed diverse, healthy, correct animals without any issues. And I don't think that will happen with mixed breeders for the above reasons.
I'd happily buy a mixed breed if I thought as much passion went into it, and the dogs were top notch. I don't have issue with the outcome of mixed breeds, I will probably own more in the future
but oops, rescues, rehomes.
And 90% of dogs from the best breeders will still end up being companions.... Not every dog in every litter is going to be a top working or show dog. Even some entire litters don't make the cut!
I don't disagree with mixed breeds at all, but I just don't see how it could ever ever be done up to true standards people will take to maintain any single breed. So for that reason, I'm out!
Which breeders will allow their dogs to he used to be bred in mixed breed pairings?
In my experience, hardcore breed advocates generally produce the best of their breed. They understand the lines, the conformation, the genetics, the dog as a whole, the working traits/temperament etc etc etc. And they are ALL ABOUT preserving those qualities.
I don't know a single breeder who would sell a puppy to someone intending to use a very well bred dog from excellent lines to produce a companion mixed breed.
Which leaves the door open to who exactly? People purchasing dogs from people who maybe don't care so much? Or people dishonestly purchasing dogs to use without the breeder consent or knowledge?
I don't have any issue what so EVER with WHAT is being bred, but it's how it's done, and I personally don't believe you will get the best of the best, and we should only be breeding the best of the best out of love for our dogs - to breed diverse, healthy, correct animals without any issues. And I don't think that will happen with mixed breeders for the above reasons.
I'd happily buy a mixed breed if I thought as much passion went into it, and the dogs were top notch. I don't have issue with the outcome of mixed breeds, I will probably own more in the future
but oops, rescues, rehomes.And 90% of dogs from the best breeders will still end up being companions.... Not every dog in every litter is going to be a top working or show dog. Even some entire litters don't make the cut!
I don't disagree with mixed breeds at all, but I just don't see how it could ever ever be done up to true standards people will take to maintain any single breed. So for that reason, I'm out!
A person looking for a companion dog from a solid good breeder can find one, there are many breeds of companion dogs, some have drive, for those who want a small dog but also want to do dog sports, others who are cat like for people who are looking for that.
There are even small herding, terrier, and working breeds for those who do not want a large dog but don't want a toy breed either.
So IMO, there is not a reason to make more dogs just for companions, my reference to shelters was that they are already overflowing with "designer" crosses as it is.
There are even small herding, terrier, and working breeds for those who do not want a large dog but don't want a toy breed either.
So IMO, there is not a reason to make more dogs just for companions, my reference to shelters was that they are already overflowing with "designer" crosses as it is.
So no toy breeder should be breeding by that logic. Toys primary goal as a group is to be delightful companions. I am likely getting a toy breed dog next month. (shocking I know) are you saying because while the breeder tests for every possible thing, shows but primarily breeds great companions I should have just gone to a shelter?
I gotta say, people like to say it's easy to find a good companion dog from a breeder but either I suck at looking or it really isn't.
When I was looking for a dog for my dad that fit what he wanted (Larger, healthy, easy coat, good off leash, laid back, playful but not overly so, not DA) I had a really hard time finding anything that fit that from a breed stand point and I feel like those wants are not so uncommon. I'm sure there are dogs within breeds that might have fit but overall there really wasn't a breed that fit that at all.
Most dogs I looked at where unhealthy, higher maintenance, prone to DA, can't be easily trust off leash. It seemed like fitting all those check points was really, really hard.
If someone was breeding a companion breed like that I bet there would be a whole lot of people who would do really well with a dog like that. Because I really do think it's easier for DOG dog people to find the right breed than it is for a lot of average families who just want a good dog with known parentage, good health and idea of personality.
When I was looking for a dog for my dad that fit what he wanted (Larger, healthy, easy coat, good off leash, laid back, playful but not overly so, not DA) I had a really hard time finding anything that fit that from a breed stand point and I feel like those wants are not so uncommon. I'm sure there are dogs within breeds that might have fit but overall there really wasn't a breed that fit that at all.
Most dogs I looked at where unhealthy, higher maintenance, prone to DA, can't be easily trust off leash. It seemed like fitting all those check points was really, really hard.
If someone was breeding a companion breed like that I bet there would be a whole lot of people who would do really well with a dog like that. Because I really do think it's easier for DOG dog people to find the right breed than it is for a lot of average families who just want a good dog with known parentage, good health and idea of personality.
You are one among many that are disgusted by this.
At least this poor bitch was spayed and placed recently(ish?), so she's not being bred nearly every heat.
My girl is NOT from this breeder. Her mama has had 2 litters and is 5 years old. She may or may not have another litter this winter. And last weekend, both mom and dad were in the flyball lanes competing. That means the world to me.
At least this poor bitch was spayed and placed recently(ish?), so she's not being bred nearly every heat.
My girl is NOT from this breeder. Her mama has had 2 litters and is 5 years old. She may or may not have another litter this winter. And last weekend, both mom and dad were in the flyball lanes competing. That means the world to me.
