You make me sick.... (Designer Breeders)

[Dekka]

I thought that I said creating more breeds for this purpose is moot when there are plenty of breeds to choose from.

At what point do you think we should say that's it we should only have the breeds we have now, full stop?

I mean is it ethical for me to get my crestie in a couple of weeks? They were only recognized as a breed in the 80s.

I have never understood the 'we have enough breeds thing' Isn't it number of dogs that is the problem? Its not like shelters are full of all the breeds. Typically its hound, lab, bullybreed in most shelters. Not always, but when ever I go in that is what is mostly there. If more breeds were a problem we would be seeing all the breeds in the shelter.

A big part of the problem is people are creating unwanted dogs. Their breed is immaterial.

 

[Fran101]

A big part of the problem is people are creating unwanted dogs. Their breed is immaterial.

This is the crux of it for me, it's not like DOG is this single entity and by not creating more breeds more will end up with homes.

As much as rescues push that idea, it's not how it works. I know of a HANDFUL of rescues/shelters that honestly do contain the kind of adoptable, different breeds etc... kinds of animals people want and aren't getting adopters because of other factors (poor marketing, poor location, just bad shelter practices etc...) Miami dade is a great example of that.

People don't just want ANY dog, the dogs in shelters are not the same breeds people are creating. You must give designer dog breeders props for that, they create dogs where there is a market.

Nobody who wants a cockapoo and can't find one is going to adopt a hound pitty mix at a shelter.
It's just not how it works.

By eliminating cockapoos you don't make those people turn to adoption, at best they turn to an existing other small breed, but either way that makes the demand for that small breed go up... so it's basically the same no matter how you dice it.

 

[Fran101]

I could also be wrong about this... but as much as I hear from dissatisfied designer dog owners (doodles shed, got too big, health issues) I haven't heard of an actual rehome situation.

I mean false advertising is bad and all, but I haven't seen the doodle backlash of them being in shelters...

 

[xpaeanx]

I could also be wrong about this... but as much as I hear from dissatisfied designer dog owners (doodles shed, got too big, health issues) I haven't heard of an actual rehome situation.

I mean false advertising is bad and all, but I haven't seen the doodle backlash of them being in shelters...

I have seen a quite a few "doodle" rehomes, but they were all private rehomes. The dog was never in danger of going to a shelter. Most of the ones I see revolve around "I didn't realize how much work a puppy/young adult is."

Generally I find people with allergies that NEED the hypoallergenic factor do their research because it's paramount for them. All the other factors are wants but not needs so you kind of get over it after you bond with the dogs.

 

[release the hounds]

i just found 3 pages of 40per page of poodle mixes for adoption within 100 miles of my home and that was just one adoption site.

Labs, hounds and Pitbulls are most common. and I think overall Labs and Pit bull numbers in homes would also dwarf a "breed" like a "cockapoo". It's not surprising there are also more in shelters.

Get a dog and take care of it. I don't care what you get. But I don't buy this that all these people are breeding "better" pets. They're dogs and they have issues, some more, some less, just like all the other ones.

I'm sure there are some that are producing good dogs, but then that's breeder specific, just like some dogs of a certain breed are better than dogs produced by some other breeder.

It's been my experience, that most breeders are just breeding dogs. Nothing exceptional, just dogs and I can find those anywhere.

 

[*blackrose]

At what point do you think we should say that's it we should only have the breeds we have now, full stop?

I mean is it ethical for me to get my crestie in a couple of weeks? They were only recognized as a breed in the 80s.

I have never understood the 'we have enough breeds thing' Isn't it number of dogs that is the problem? Its not like shelters are full of all the breeds. Typically its hound, lab, bullybreed in most shelters. Not always, but when ever I go in that is what is mostly there. If more breeds were a problem we would be seeing all the breeds in the shelter.

A big part of the problem is people are creating unwanted dogs. Their breed is immaterial.

This is the crux of it for me, it's not like DOG is this single entity and by not creating more breeds more will end up with homes.

As much as rescues push that idea, it's not how it works. I know of a HANDFUL of rescues/shelters that honestly do contain the kind of adoptable, different breeds etc... kinds of animals people want and aren't getting adopters because of other factors (poor marketing, poor location, just bad shelter practices etc...) Miami dade is a great example of that.

People don't just want ANY dog, the dogs in shelters are not the same breeds people are creating. You must give designer dog breeders props for that, they create dogs where there is a market.

Nobody who wants a cockapoo and can't find one is going to adopt a hound pitty mix at a shelter.
It's just not how it works.

By eliminating cockapoos you don't make those people turn to adoption, at best they turn to an existing other small breed, but either way that makes the demand for that small breed go up... so it's basically the same no matter how you dice it.

^ My thoughts exactly.

i just found 3 pages of 40per page of poodle mixes for adoption within 100 miles of my home and that was just one adoption site.

Labs, hounds and Pitbulls are most common. and I think overall Labs and Pit bull numbers in homes would also dwarf a "breed" like a "cockapoo". It's not surprising there are also more in shelters.

Get a dog and take care of it. I don't care what you get. But I don't buy this that all these people are breeding "better" pets. They're dogs and they have issues, some more, some less, just like all the other ones.

I'm sure there are some that are producing good dogs, but then that's breeder specific, just like some dogs of a certain breed are better than dogs produced by some other breeder.

It's been my experience, that most breeders are just breeding dogs. Nothing exceptional, just dogs and I can find those anywhere.

I don't think anyone here is claiming that Doodle breeders are breeding "better" pets vs the average joe purebred BYB. There are ethical, responsible breeders who are breeding dogs with a goal in mind, from known lines, screening homes, health testing, performance testing, etc. These people can be breeding dogs with the goal as a superior pet dog, and that is okay, regardless of breed mixture (I believe is the point being made).

A breeder throwing Dog A and Dog B together because they are "good family dogs" and "would make great pets" does not equate a responsible breeder. That hasn't changed. Most breeders are breeding dogs, not exceptional dogs, and that is the issue. But, if you want to create a dog that makes an exceptional pet dog...more power to you.

If that made any sense at all.

 

[pinkspore]

Our shelters are filled with pits and chihuahuas, rarely labs or lab mixes, with not a hound to be found. We do have a whole lot of nondescript little scruffy dogs that were probably somebody's designer shitpoo at one point. I don't see too many giant doodles, but I do think the designerdog concept of mixing poodle with everything has led to more grooming nightmares with severely matted small dogs showing up in shelters.

 

[Dogdragoness]

At what point do you think we should say that's it we should only have the breeds we have now, full stop?

I mean is it ethical for me to get my crestie in a couple of weeks? They were only recognized as a breed in the 80s.

I have never understood the 'we have enough breeds thing' Isn't it number of dogs that is the problem? Its not like shelters are full of all the breeds. Typically its hound, lab, bullybreed in most shelters. Not always, but when ever I go in that is what is mostly there. If more breeds were a problem we would be seeing all the breeds in the shelter.

A big part of the problem is people are creating unwanted dogs. Their breed is immaterial.

The crested has been a breed for many years, as has the JRT just because a breed has only been recently recognized by the AKC doesn't mean they are a new breed period.

 

[sassafras]

The crested has been a breed for many years, as has the JRT just because a breed has only been recently recognized by the AKC doesn't mean they are a new breed period.

But as Laurelin asked, aren't you getting a MAS soon? A relatively new breed created for companionship? Why is... that ok and others not?

 

[Dogdragoness]

But as Laurelin asked, aren't you getting a MAS soon? A relatively new breed created for companionship? Why is... that ok and others not?

They are a companion/sport breed created from smaller versions of an already established breed. They are essentially "bred down" aussies ... I guess that's a good way to put it?

The problem with most doodle and poo breeders is that they aren't responsible, and it's very very hard to find one who is.

Also in my area, there are a lot of doodle and poo mixes in the ACs and shelters here.

 

[xpaeanx]

They are a companion/sport breed created from smaller versions of an already established breed. They are essentially "bred down" aussies ... I guess that's a good way to put it?

The problem with most doodle and poo breeders is that they aren't responsible, and it's very very hard to find one who is.

Also in my area, there are a lot of doodle and poo mixes in the ACs and shelters here.

They're a new breed created from aussies. It's pretty much that simple.

 

[Dogdragoness]

They're a new breed created from aussies. It's pretty much that simple.

True, but they are created from ONE already established breed, not an F1 cross of two different breeds like a doodle or poo is.

The toys aussies sometimes are crossed with breeds like papillons, which is all good and cool, but I wish breeders would admit to doing that.

 

[katielou]

They are a companion/sport breed created from smaller versions of an already established breed. They are essentially "bred down" aussies ... I guess that's a good way to put it?

The problem with most doodle and poo breeders is that they aren't responsible, and it's very very hard to find one who is.

Also in my area, there are a lot of doodle and poo mixes in the ACs and shelters here.

Isn't your new dog an oops?

 

[sassafras]

True, but they are created from ONE already established breed, not an F1 cross of two different breeds like a doodle or poo is.

K.

The toys aussies sometimes are crossed with breeds like papillons, which is all good and cool, but I wish breeders would admit to doing that.

Why is... this all good and cool but doodles are not?

 

[Dogdragoness]

K.



Why is... this all good and cool but doodles are not?

I don't like the toy aussies. Their type just doesn't appeal to me. Also because they were created through out crossing to toy breeds. And it shows in their dainty, dish faces.

@katielou no, that guy we were going to get a puppy from would never get back with us , so I went with a awesome mini aussie breeder who happened to have puppies at the time.