I feel that rape is sex without consent. I'm on the fence with the second option, seeing as the person did consent... even if they were intoxicated. But I do have to agree with Elegy on that point as well, as it certainly could apply as rape depending on the situation. The third option should also apply as rape, as obviously the person did not consent if they were drugged and/or unconscious... but I feel that this option goes hand in hand with the first definition of "sex without consent", and shouldn't be written as a separate option.
What Constitutes Rape?
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Which of these best defines when the act of rape has occured?
Is it only rape if you're given the date rape drug?
No, anything without consent = rape. No means no.
Is it rape when you say no yet he just sticks it right in?
YES
Is it rape when you are drunk and give consent because of alcohol?
Probably not, I'd say this is situational as others have said.
Or is there no such thing as rape, and it's just what people do now?
Definitely no such thing :lol-sign:
Is it only rape if you're given the date rape drug?
No, anything without consent = rape. No means no.
Is it rape when you say no yet he just sticks it right in?
YES
Is it rape when you are drunk and give consent because of alcohol?
Probably not, I'd say this is situational as others have said.
Or is there no such thing as rape, and it's just what people do now?
Definitely no such thing :lol-sign:
All of the above.
I am surprised at the number of you who are either 'on the fence' or think it's 'too bad' or 'no big deal' if rape happens because someone is drunk. Jules clearly put into words, being drunk, GIVING CONSENT, then regretting it does not constitute rape.
Being drunk in itself does not give free reign to do as they please to you. If that is the mentality you choose, then I guess woman who dress provocatively ask for it, woman who walk alone in the dark ask for it, woman who have bad judgment on who to date ask for it too.
The bolded part of Zoe's quote REALLY shocked me. I am the VERY first person to say that we as woman need to take precautions and care because we are (generally speaking) the physically weaker sex, but rape is rape and I will never see it as 'her fault' because she DIDN'T take precautions or did something stupid. The rapist is still to blame for his actions and should be held accountable. The woman will live with her 'carelessness' for the rest of her life, but 'that's her problem' or 'grow up' or 'have self control'
Wow.
I am surprised at the number of you who are either 'on the fence' or think it's 'too bad' or 'no big deal' if rape happens because someone is drunk. Jules clearly put into words, being drunk, GIVING CONSENT, then regretting it does not constitute rape.
Being drunk in itself does not give free reign to do as they please to you. If that is the mentality you choose, then I guess woman who dress provocatively ask for it, woman who walk alone in the dark ask for it, woman who have bad judgment on who to date ask for it too.
The bolded part of Zoe's quote REALLY shocked me. I am the VERY first person to say that we as woman need to take precautions and care because we are (generally speaking) the physically weaker sex, but rape is rape and I will never see it as 'her fault' because she DIDN'T take precautions or did something stupid. The rapist is still to blame for his actions and should be held accountable. The woman will live with her 'carelessness' for the rest of her life, but 'that's her problem' or 'grow up' or 'have self control'
Wow.
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I'm pretty sure that no one was saying that if you take a drink, you deserve to get raped. I believe they were all saying that if you get trashed and regret your decision the next morning, too bad. A drunken one night stand does not constitute rape.
Does this apply in all situations? No. But I'm pretty sure that's what everyone was talking about. I know I was.
Does this apply in all situations? No. But I'm pretty sure that's what everyone was talking about. I know I was.
If you say yes, it's not rape, if you get drunk, say yes, it's not rape, if you take drugs,say yes and have sex, it's not rape.
if someone gives you drugs to knock you out and you don't consent, yes it's rape.
if you consent and don't like it later, it's called regret, shame, embarassment, etc, not rape.
if someone gives you drugs to knock you out and you don't consent, yes it's rape.
if you consent and don't like it later, it's called regret, shame, embarassment, etc, not rape.
Maybe I misunderstood Zoe's post and some of the others.........I hope so because it did shock me, LOL
Some of the comments sounded like "If you decide to drink, you know what can happen" as equaling "If you decide to drink and get raped........deal with it, it's your fault" I do agree with --If you drink, you know certain things can go wrong. If you walk alone in a dark park, you know things can go wrong. If you dress provocatively and flirt with everyone you meet, things can go wrong. You shouldn't put yourself in certain situations, but it doesn't mean I think the rapist is not to blame for his actions though.
I totally agree if you drink, GIVE CONSENT, deal with it, that's not rape. The problem is, and always has been the gray area of 'he said/she said' and there will never be a way to know for sure
Some of the comments sounded like "If you decide to drink, you know what can happen" as equaling "If you decide to drink and get raped........deal with it, it's your fault" I do agree with --If you drink, you know certain things can go wrong. If you walk alone in a dark park, you know things can go wrong. If you dress provocatively and flirt with everyone you meet, things can go wrong. You shouldn't put yourself in certain situations, but it doesn't mean I think the rapist is not to blame for his actions though.
I totally agree if you drink, GIVE CONSENT, deal with it, that's not rape. The problem is, and always has been the gray area of 'he said/she said' and there will never be a way to know for sure
The bolded part of Zoe's quote REALLY shocked me. I am the VERY first person to say that we as woman need to take precautions and care because we are (generally speaking) the physically weaker sex, but rape is rape and I will never see it as 'her fault' because she DIDN'T take precautions or did something stupid. The rapist is still to blame for his actions and should be held accountable. The woman will live with her 'carelessness' for the rest of her life, but 'that's her problem' or 'grow up' or 'have self control' Wow.
Wow.
If you know it is common for you to do something like that, maybe you should learn to not drink so much.
Drinking is a choice that impairs judgement. People need to learn to stop drinking before they get to the point that they are going to regret or not remember what they did the night before if they can't live with the consequences of their impaired judgments.
If you are drinking and still say NO then yes rape, but I think more times than not the girl wants to claim rape the next day because she drank too much and regretted what happened.
Sex without consent is rape, but it doesn't have to be spoken every time you have sex... Like "is it okay if I have sex with you now?"
There are cues other than verbal that say you either do or do not want to do it. Screaming and shoving away is definitely a cue of "no." Going with it and not saying "no" is definitely consent.
There are cues other than verbal that say you either do or do not want to do it. Screaming and shoving away is definitely a cue of "no." Going with it and not saying "no" is definitely consent.
Yep... it's such a big issue in college, because it's the perfect situation to take advantage of someone after a night of partying/drinking.
I've had friends who had drunken sex with consent who regretted it the next morning (one of my friends in high school had sex at a party without a condom and was really upset about it the next morning), but since both had consented to it, it was just drunken sex.
When both parties are coherent (no drinking or drugs) and the girl says no, yet the guy sticks it in, that is definitely rape. That is sex without consent.
I've had friends who had drunken sex with consent who regretted it the next morning (one of my friends in high school had sex at a party without a condom and was really upset about it the next morning), but since both had consented to it, it was just drunken sex.
When both parties are coherent (no drinking or drugs) and the girl says no, yet the guy sticks it in, that is definitely rape. That is sex without consent.
