I left this site about 5-6 days ago... I felt it was not for me. NO, it's not a bad site, just not my "style." The only reason I have posted tonight is because I was personally e-mailed and wanted to answer, which I did. Then I got curious, and checked my "account" which I had 2 pm's..... which I would have never seen unless I signed back on. SOOOOO, started checking out threads... I have seen the debate forum too. I also agreeded with it....at first. The basic problem here is, all of us come from different backgrounds, with different ideas and morals. THIS IS NOT a ONE TYPE BREED, or training, or pet sitting, or etc.....so therefore, I believe a debate is a waste of time. Therefore, there is no real common ground to stand on. This is not a SPECIFIC forum, so there are many pet owners, breeders, newbies, training, etc... there is no way to find that common ground, just arguments from everyones point of view. What's the point, I doubt anything will really be solved. Just my two cents.