Update on the teacher beating a student story...
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and if you watch the vidoe she was very definatly close fisted hitting that boy.
it wasnt like she slapped him once...
she stalked him, punched him cornered and dragged him by the leg and then straddled him while continuing.
im not sure where this is OK in ANY reality...
sure it wasnt pummeled half to death in a riot, but this is still a kid, shes still his teacher, and she still beat him...
if he was being a problem in class she should have called in help, not beat on him.
it wasnt like she slapped him once...
she stalked him, punched him cornered and dragged him by the leg and then straddled him while continuing.
im not sure where this is OK in ANY reality...
sure it wasnt pummeled half to death in a riot, but this is still a kid, shes still his teacher, and she still beat him...
if he was being a problem in class she should have called in help, not beat on him.
I can't believe anyone even speculates about what might have lead up to this...as if there's any excuse for what she did. Don't have all the facts? How many facts do you need? It's on camera. She is stalking him and hitting him multiple times, while he is cowering and trying to retreat. That was not self defense or defense of another student. That was an outright, aggressive, prolonged attack. There is no excuse. I don't care if we can all sympathize with losing one's cool and being "pushed" to the brink. If the kid were getting out of hand, not complying when it was in the verbal only stage, then she should have....could have called for "back-up." She could have had him hauled out of there in hand cuffs if need be. He then, could have been dealt with by locking him up or whatever kind of civilized kind of consequences are available. There are plenty. There is simply NO justification for what that teacher did and I hope they sock it to her. Harumph!
point to me anywhere, that I said it was OK. I can however foresee reasons a teacher might lose their cool, which apparently you can't. that's fine. I speculate there could be reasons to push someone to lose their cool, you speculate there are no reasons ever for that to happen.
some think they would "never" do anything like that, and they would only and always use any violence as their last act and would save themselves and their loved ones. I don't know, just watching the world around me seems to lead me to believe that it is pretty unlikely. Most do lose their cool for all sorts of things at one point or another. I can think of a lot of reasons for a teacher to lose their cool, you can't. So we disagree
I prefer to have a bit more than a edited for TV drama (news) clip of a grainy cell phone image before passing judgment, others don't, just the words "teacher" and "student" are enough to pass judgment.
some think they would "never" do anything like that, and they would only and always use any violence as their last act and would save themselves and their loved ones. I don't know, just watching the world around me seems to lead me to believe that it is pretty unlikely. Most do lose their cool for all sorts of things at one point or another. I can think of a lot of reasons for a teacher to lose their cool, you can't. So we disagree
I prefer to have a bit more than a edited for TV drama (news) clip of a grainy cell phone image before passing judgment, others don't, just the words "teacher" and "student" are enough to pass judgment.
I never said that people don't loose their cool or that there is no sympathy for the human condition where emotions can understandably lead to something like this. BUT...self control is something civilized people must maintain when interacting with others, especially on a professional level and especially where children, weaker than themselves are concerned. When they lose that self control....that tipping point from keeping their hands to themselves to where it escalates to a full on attack, then they should pay a heavy price. If we excused everyone who did anything to anyone ever....because we must "understand" and sympathize with the human emotional condition and loss of self control, then the world would be even more violent and chaotic than it already is. There has to be a line and if the line is crossed, there has to be consequences.
The point of that matter is there is enough evidence for her to be CHARGED with assault, THEN the courts can be presented with all the details.......those leading up to the assault, those during the assault, and even the evidence afterwards. Whatever is necessary to present.
She *supposedly* called the family, said she was wrong, and apologized.......admission of guilt. There is a video of the assault. There is bruising and a black eye as a result of the assault. Those things are more than enough for charges to be pressed IMO and the rest could be sorted out by a judge. Being let go from her position working with children is not enough based on the evidence I am aware of at this moment.
If she gets her day in court and is found justified, so be it.
She *supposedly* called the family, said she was wrong, and apologized.......admission of guilt. There is a video of the assault. There is bruising and a black eye as a result of the assault. Those things are more than enough for charges to be pressed IMO and the rest could be sorted out by a judge. Being let go from her position working with children is not enough based on the evidence I am aware of at this moment.
If she gets her day in court and is found justified, so be it.
sally what i'm saying is that people who join the SF, rangers, Marines, seals etc go in w/ teh expectation they are going to get to grease some scumbag. most do not go all EMO over doing what needs to be done. it is entirely acceptable for the average person to do so, it is dangerous to a professional warrior to be that way. it's understandable & accepted concerning collateral damage but wallowing in it and carrying it into the next mission is not acceptable.
i know plenty of young studs play the emo crap when they get home & a lot are doing it for the attention (especially female attention because young girls eat that sensitivity crap up). the reality is most don't suffer emotional distress over doing the job and most learn to quickly let go of unintended consequences because it is necessary for survival.
i know plenty of young studs play the emo crap when they get home & a lot are doing it for the attention (especially female attention because young girls eat that sensitivity crap up). the reality is most don't suffer emotional distress over doing the job and most learn to quickly let go of unintended consequences because it is necessary for survival.
i think another thing that is being missed here is the fallacy of "restraining" someone w/o a lot of specialized training. for example when i was 8 i had to get an antibiotic shot in my butt cheek. it took 3 "nurses" the doctor & my mom to restrain me. after about 2nd grade, i never had a female teacher that could have restrained me physically if i chose not to let them. i'm not even talking about fighting, i'm talking about just refusing to be held still or go where i didn't want to go.
so yeah, i'm not inclined to judge the teacher w/o having been there and seen EVERYTHING that lead up to the incident including previous or ongoing issues.
so yeah, i'm not inclined to judge the teacher w/o having been there and seen EVERYTHING that lead up to the incident including previous or ongoing issues.
Anyone who works in that kind of school has almost certainly had training in restraining out of control students. My mother works in a similar school and they get a lot of training (and have a lot of backup in the event there is a situation). That's not to say that the people who work there aren't subject to verbal and sometimes physical assaults -- they certainly are -- but anyone who can't deal with that from a CHILD without getting violent belongs nowhere near any school, much less an "alternative" school.
I don't know about that. My mom is a special ed IA, and it wasn't until her 4th year (when she was assigned to a child with a history of violence) that she received that kind of training. Even then, she requests to stay at 2nd grade and below so that she has some hope of physically overpowering the child should it come to that.
Pops, you were a tough kid. I know about tough kids; I've dealt with literally hundreds of them. The kid in this video is not a tough kid. He may be, probably is, an obnoxious little sob, but he was completely passive in this video clip. No restraint necessary.
I just don't agree that knowing what led up to this assault would offer mitigating circumstances. Unless he'd committed a grievous assault, which all concerned admit he had not done, then whatever he did did not and could not justify what she did. And yes, I do know what I'm talking about. Like others on this forum, I've been there, done that, and have T shirts in every color!
I also don't agree that the school should be held blameless. Those kids were put in that room with nothing to do and no adult in charge. Of course they should have behaved properly, but both experience and common sense ought to have proclaimed that they wouldn't. People who run schools have no business indulging in magical thinking.
I just don't agree that knowing what led up to this assault would offer mitigating circumstances. Unless he'd committed a grievous assault, which all concerned admit he had not done, then whatever he did did not and could not justify what she did. And yes, I do know what I'm talking about. Like others on this forum, I've been there, done that, and have T shirts in every color!
I also don't agree that the school should be held blameless. Those kids were put in that room with nothing to do and no adult in charge. Of course they should have behaved properly, but both experience and common sense ought to have proclaimed that they wouldn't. People who run schools have no business indulging in magical thinking.
Jules
i'm not saying there aren't people w/ genuine emotional distress, what i'm saying is they need to move on to a job that isn't going to cause those issues (doesn't even mean they need to leave the military, just change jobs to something that isn't going to put them in that position). and i am saying that a lot of young guys play that card for their own gain and to a certain degree because the movies have told them they're supposed to.
i'm not saying there aren't people w/ genuine emotional distress, what i'm saying is they need to move on to a job that isn't going to cause those issues (doesn't even mean they need to leave the military, just change jobs to something that isn't going to put them in that position). and i am saying that a lot of young guys play that card for their own gain and to a certain degree because the movies have told them they're supposed to.
MPP
i was also taught at home that there were certain lines not to be crossed, so i never made a teacher "restrain" me. the consequences had i done so would have been a combination of butt whipping and lost freedoms. even in high school when i hurt some guys, as soon as anyone in authority showed up it was tow the line.
unfortunately kids don't seem to get much of that these days.
i was also taught at home that there were certain lines not to be crossed, so i never made a teacher "restrain" me. the consequences had i done so would have been a combination of butt whipping and lost freedoms. even in high school when i hurt some guys, as soon as anyone in authority showed up it was tow the line.
unfortunately kids don't seem to get much of that these days.
Pops, I 100% agree. Too many kids are not being raised, just left to grow as they will. Then people are horrified at the result.
I love to read posts from the members here, talking about what they do with their kids, how much they enjoy being with them, what their rules are. Now THAT's raising kids!
Which has nothing to do with the thread, but oh, well. :lol-sign:
I love to read posts from the members here, talking about what they do with their kids, how much they enjoy being with them, what their rules are. Now THAT's raising kids!
Which has nothing to do with the thread, but oh, well. :lol-sign:
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No. There isn't. Unless they are wielding a weapon. That kid was much smaller than the woman, and you can see in the video her dragging him around. If she had stopped beating/attacking him, he was clearly NOT going to go back after her or harm her. Plus, in charter schools, I'm sure they have security. I don't know of any school that doesn't have security.
In what probable instance do you think assaulting a child is justified?
If that was my kid, I would absolutely be pressing child. But the kid would also be in trouble for what the heck he did to cause that.
In what probable instance do you think assaulting a child is justified?
If that was my kid, I would absolutely be pressing child. But the kid would also be in trouble for what the heck he did to cause that.