Unchain the dogs of New York State!

[bubbatd]

I've tried to stay out of this as there are too many misunderstands !!! My dogs have never been tethered or kenneled except for their safety . I see nothing wrong with either as long as it isn't overdone . Why own a dog if it's caged and on a chain for life ??? Get a hamster .

 

[sparks19]

LOL Summit... there was NOTHING in my PM's that any lawyer would advise against. I ask an honest and SIMPLE question. You say it was your lawyer that say you don't answer it.... well I call bull on that one. I simply asked why a leashed walk and a tethered play session aren't the same. Simple question and if you are true in your convictions it is a SIMPLE answer.

now I know you are full of it. unfortunately your plea can influence the ignorant. funny how you rlawyer advises against answering honest questions for your cause. Not much of a lawyer is he

my pm wasn't harrassment in the least bit. the LEAST you could do for your cause is answer a few questions HONESTLY... unless your lawyer is advising you not to because he knows you will blow it and basically discredit the whole operation.

thanks for outing yourself

 

[sparks19]

Summit, even if the event happened as you describe it, the person doing the best job discreditting you and your efforts is yourself.

Which is probably EXACTLY why her "lawyer" has told her to SHUT UP. he can't win any case if she won't shut her mouth and stop outing herself and the instabilities of the case.

 

[blue]

Be carefull Sparks these AR groups have deep pockets. Why would poor people care about ARs?

Summit, are you an only child?

 

[corgipower]

Summit, are you an only child?

Blue, you're going to have to wait until her lawyer advises her on that. Being a weekend, you probably won't get an answer before Monday.
OOPS!! was that harassment? nah, just my usual sarcasm


Summit, did your lawyer tell you not to answer my question?

Would you ban bathrooms, bedrooms, basements, yards because dogs can be neglected in any of those places?

 

[Renee750il]

Well, to be fair, I have found ONE good argument against chains

A farm wife called the local phone company to report that her telephone failed to ring when her friends called, and that on the few occasions when it did ring, her dog always moaned right before the phone rang. The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile lady. He climbed a telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house. The phone didn't ring right away, but then the dog moaned and the telephone began to ring.

Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:

1. The dog was tied to the telephone system's ground wire with a steel chain and choke collar.
2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.
3. The dog was getting zapped by the signaling current when the number was called.
4. After a couple of jolts, the dog would start moaning and then urinate.
5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.

This demonstrates that some problems CAN be fixed by pissing and moaning and there is a lot to be said for proper chain and collar set ups. Poor dawg.

 

[Dekka]

WOW you are something really special. I bet your lawyer laughs all the way to the bank. Hope you have deep pockets if you have to run to him anytime anyone asks a simple question. I was not really anti your postion UNTIL i read your posts. I originally thought ya banning tying dogs (but I was thinking 24/7 types) was a good idea.

THANK YOU SUMMIT VIEW FOR SHOWING ME HOW WRONG I WAS. YOU ARE THE MAJOR REASON I RECENTLY TOLD A GROUP OF DOG OWNERS DISCUSSING THIS EXACT ISSUE TO COME READ THIS PARTICULAR THREAD.

...interestingly the few that have read it have came back to me saying WOW and now are in favour of allowing dogs to be tied.

 

[blue]

Only if her dad has the lawyer on retainer. Otherwise it could be weeks before we get answers.

 

[Renee750il]

Only if her dad has the lawyer on retainer. Otherwise it could be weeks before we get answers.

Kinda like having one on a chain . . . . .

 

[blue]

A farm wife called the local phone company to report that her telephone failed to ring when her friends called, and that on the few occasions when it did ring, her dog always moaned right before the phone rang. The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile lady. He climbed a telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house. The phone didn't ring right away, but then the dog moaned and the telephone began to ring.

Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:

1. The dog was tied to the telephone system's ground wire with a steel chain and choke collar.
2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.
3. The dog was getting zapped by the signaling current when the number was called.
4. After a couple of jolts, the dog would start moaning and then urinate.
5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.

This demonstrates that some problems CAN be fixed by pissing and moaning and there is a lot to be said for proper chain and collar set ups. Poor dawg.

Why does that sound like a urban legend? Got a link at least?

 

[Renee750il]

Are you serious?

 

[corgipower]

Why does that sound like a urban legend? Got a link at least?

:lol-sign:

 

[blue]

Ive been zapped by phone line voltage, I dout it would affect anything other than a toy breed. So yes Im serious.

 

[corgipower]

So yes Im serious.

Well then I apologize for the laughter. It's not easy to tell. What Renee posted is a joke that I've seen many times before. Not an urban legend, just humor.

 

[blue]

First time I saw it.

So if her smilie was an indication that was a joke, I missed it.

 

[FrenchKissed]

A proper fenced enclosure, a dog-proofed house or room, puppy daycare, or even a crate are all fine methods of keeping dogs confined while at work. Crating while at work is no different than crating overnight. With all of the options available, there is truly no need for chaining - which is physically and mentally destructive to the dog. I have rehabilitated numerous chained dogs, and the mental and physical damage that needs to be undone is overwhelming - sores and infections from collars and harnesses, embedded collars and chains in the skin, damaged nerves and muscles due to the limited and repetitive movement permitted on a chain and the weight of a chain, the inability to properly interact with other dogs while loose with them, the inability to walk loosely on a leash, food aggression, resource guarding, obsessive licking and gnawing, obsessive barking, and the list goes on and on!!

Again, all examples of irresponsibly used chains. I can show you pictures and tell you stories of the severly abused and rehabed dogs that I have had. ALL of which were contained in "secure fenced yards" Abuse is abuse.
There are simply scummy people on this earth who are cruel to dogs. Get rid of the scummy people, not the chains, the crates, the fenced yards.

 

[FrenchKissed]

I have spent a couple thousand dollars over the years creating secure, dog-proof fencing perimeters - complete with buried fencing to prevent digging.
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Well, if they have no bread...let them eat cake...


Not everyone is so lucky as to be able to afford THOUSANDS of dollars in installing a fence. Not everyone LIVES where fences are allowed. Not everyone lives where they OWN property to fence it.
So unless you are wealthy, own your own land, and live in the country where there are no restrictions, you shouldn't own a dog?

 

[Renee750il]

Well, if they have no bread...let them eat cake...


Not everyone is so lucky as to be able to afford THOUSANDS of dollars in installing a fence. Not everyone LIVES where fences are allowed. Not everyone lives where they OWN property to fence it.
So unless you are wealthy, own your own land, and live in the country where there are no restrictions, you shouldn't own a dog?

Now, talk about something that would escalate the numbers of dogs in shelters and euthanized . . . . . but at least they wouldn't be on a tether or cruelly confined in a less than ideal environment . . . oh, wait . . .

 

[Dizzy]

I am not sure where this thread is going, or has gone.

But, I don't think you should leave a dog unsupervised for a long period of time on a chain.....

I think the idea is to prevent people putting dogs on chains and forgetting about them, not just putting them on for supervised outdoor time.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

I also requested this thread be closed because of the direction it was taking, at the advisement of my attorney. There are laws regarding harassment on the internet just as their are in real life and if you all choose to break them that is your own decision.

I'm sorry, I just can't help but reply to this.

This all is.. well... SILLY.

YOU come here and spout off your sermons about this and that and then, when things don't go YOUR way, you cry wolf. When during all of this, YOU have been the ONLY one to do any kind of harassment and insulting and things worthy of being edited and questioned. No one has forgotten that even though you had to be edited, so please spare this "woe is me" act.

Your lawyer has no bearing here, whatsoever. And we mods are not here, to be at YOUR beck and call, when a thread that you post doesn't go the way that you would like it to. Can you imagine what education people would miss if we just closed threads here and there? Just because the OP of them had some ruffled feathers?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people asking the questions they are and if you feel not at liberty to answer them "because your lawyer told you not to" then YOU lose a whole lot of credibility. That is YOUR decision. So you can go on not answering the questions and tell us all about your lawyer and harassment... and we'll start saving all of your posts BEFORE they are edited.

You need to try and remember the who and what you were before you became a sheep of this AR movement. Should animals be protected? Absolutely. But when a group of people claiming to know it all and claiming to be the voice of the innocent denounce perfectly acceptable, RESPONSIBLE, means of keeping a dog confined in its own yard just because they can... well, it's sickening and I say that you lost sight of the innocent that you claim to be a voice for long, long ago.