Ultra sonic or shock?

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Ben is a yapper, he is fine when someone is there to correct him, but when alone he can go on all day.
I am needing to get a correction collar for him.

Opinions please, ultra sonic or shock? Which would work better?

Thanks in advance!
 

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nothing is going to be as effective as a shock collar. Eventually, you probably won't even need to put batteries in the collar.

As a former pet store manager, our highest rate of returns were on the "ultrasonic" and citronella collars. We only had shock collars returned if they were defective.

Just make sure you take the dog's collar off while using it (jingling might set it off), and don't have it on the dog more than 8 hours a day or it'll get pressure necrosis.

ETA: wait, is this for a tiny dog? You'll be hard pressed to find a bark collar for a tiny dog. Standard shock collars are too harsh for these smaller pooches. I know somebody makes the little ones somewhere, but still... maybe find a store with a great return policy and try a citronella one first.
 

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That is the thing, there is no where in SA that sells them. I am going to have to buy on ebay.
What about the vibration ones? I am worried about using a shock collar on him. He is tiny. Only 5lbs.
 

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probably try the citronella spray collar before a vibrate. If he's an intense barker, vibration might startle him once or twice, then he'll bark through it. 'Course, same could be said of spray collars...
 

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Good question! As I dont know the dog, how old is he, what sort of exercise is he getting and how often, how big is he, is he an indoor dog or outdoor? what have you tried so far to curb his barking?

Im surprised people havent asked lots more question before recommending a shock collar but maybe they know the dog and have assessed him already?
 

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The ultrasonic ones are known to be crap for sure. You can not use a shock collar on him because most are rated at 16+ pounds, I know Petsafe sells a little dog one, but even that I think is rated at 10+ pounds.
 

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Im surprised people havent asked lots more question before recommending a shock collar but maybe they know the dog and have assessed him already?
The OP asked for recommendations on collars, not on whether or not he SHOULD.

Now, on cue, turn into an anti shock collar thread. Sheesh.
 

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Have you heard of the husher muzzle? Takes effort to bark with it, but they can drink and pant with it on..

And it has no parts you would need to constantly be shipping in.
 
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I have used a shock collar on my 6 pound chihuahua mix. It just barely fits her neck snug enough. It has 6 settings. I dont use it anymore. Since I have moved out of my moms house and away from her yappy pug, pebbles barking is non-existent until someone knocks on the door. She was badly influenced by my moms pug:mad:. I am glad I do not use it anymore. It was a pain. A beep warning was enough to make her stop barking.
 

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I have Multivet Anti Bark spary collar, that is scentless. I don't like the thought of using citronella, the dogs have such a sensitive sense of smell that they will still smell it long after it's stopped spaying and after they've stopped barking so in a way they are still being punished after they've stopped.

I don't use it much, I use it on Boomer but since it sprayed him the one time now all I have to do is put the collar on him while it's on off mode and he knows to keep quiet. And I only use it once in a while when clients come into the shop.

I use it on Tilly the first half hour when company comes to visit the home, and that's only if she's barking in the first place. Once it's been on her for a short time I then take it off and she doesn't bark anymore.
 

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there was a dog in flyball class that had the spray collar and did very well on it... but she was rather a timid dog to begin with, they probably could have just told her NO and she would have stopped. She knew when the collar wasn't on though.... but you get that with any correction device with some dogs.
 

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The OP asked for recommendations on collars, not on whether or not he SHOULD.

Now, on cue, turn into an anti shock collar thread. Sheesh.
Well Sheeesh excuse me for asking a few questions before even dreaming of recommending a course of actions for training a dog:rolleyes:

To me it seems totally sensible to ask why the dog is barking just as Corgipower did, I would of thought any good trainer would of, just they would of asked the size of the dog etc before saying a shock collar would work. Just seems common sense to me.

So if I asked you what sort of harness you would recommend you wouldnt actually ask what itwas needed for,what sort of dog it was for??? Scarey.

If I asked what breed you would recommend for me you wouldnt ask about lifestyle etc?
 

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To me it seems totally sensible to ask why the dog is barking just as Corgipower did, I would of thought any good trainer would of, just they would of asked the size of the dog etc before saying a shock collar would work. Just seems common sense to me.
Exactly. I apologize, and I am not anti shock collar. I own a shock collar, I have used it. But there may be options available to the OP that don't require an aversive. A shock collar for barking is more of a band-aid than a solution.

I also have seen dogs ignore the collars or learn to outsmart them -- I saw a dog learn that there was a pitch he could bark at that wouldn't set off the collar. Addressing the cause of barking is something that would be beneficial to all.
 

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I'd probably say 'go back to basics'. Imagine there are no options out there and find out the reason for this behavior. I agree with Suzzie that your post asks for recommendations, but for me none of them worked. They get conditioned to the collar instead of changing behavior. I wasted $100 on a shock since my dog got used to be quiet when having the collar on, but the truth is you can't leave the collar on indefinitely because you have metal against skin which causes more costly problems.

Now, if you're tired of screaming "Shut it" then it's great because all you have to do is move around with the remote and push the trigger to keep the house in control. Have you tried taking him out more to get used to his surroundings? I know it's going to get kind of cold outside, but just sitting outside (not behind a window) could get your dog used to its surroundings and you can reassure him that everything's ok when you feel a yap coming...

That's just my humble opinion. Good luck and make sure you buy an extra set of batteries since they run out pretty quick!
 

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Do not do it, do not use a shock collar, get advise first, they are dangerous and there is many many other ways to stop a dog barking, if you do it, then go to someone who knows what they are doing to show you the correct way.
 

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He is with my mother during the day. It is summer in South Africa and her doors are open. So he has access to the garden and house all day. He has the company of two other dogs.
He barks at anything, a phone ringing, a car driving past, other dogs. He is fear reactive and I am working on it by socialising. He is getting better.

He barks when my mother is not there. They are left outside if the weather is nice enough for them. He is pretty good at shutting up when told to, it is just when no one is there. We would like for him to be left outside and not bug the neighbours.

He gets a two hour long walk in the mornings, and we WALK, not just stroll. He also gets taken for an hour run around off leash in the evenings as well as training on Sunday mornings, so loads of exposure to the outside world. My dogs go everywhere with me, literally.
 

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If he is fear reactive I might not go with the shock collar.

Simply for the fact that he might think those things equal pain. That could make him much worse.

We got the citronella one for Sport (not that he needs it now) and found that if you put it on tightish (like a normal collar) his ruff blocked the spray. I wonder for people who it didn't work on - if they had technical difficulties. It took us a while to figure out why it wasn't working. Its still aversive but not as much.

I haven't heard that the ultra sonic ones work.

Or try the husher muzzle or something like it.
 

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