'The Michael Vick Project'

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I just can't agree that harming dogs equates to harming people.
Hurting an animal isn't the SAME as hurting a person, but hurting animals often LEADS to hurting people. Look at the life histories of serial killers. Many of them started torturing animals before they moved on to people.
 

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But why is torturing a child worse than torturing a dog? both feel physical pain, both feel fear, if they live both will be left with emotional scars that will alter their behavior. I understand most of society doesn't seem to care about animals that much but we here all love dogs, is it that you don't think the dogs suffer as much, or is it that you just don't think they are as important? (not meant to sound mean, I just don't personally understand).
 

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#23
I agree with that completely, which is why I harbor serious doubts about Vick's "rehabilitation."
 

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And some of the other football players who had that medical condition.. DID hurt people. If he has something physically wrong with his brain then he is just as likely to do something harmful to a person.
 

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Hurting an animal isn't the SAME as hurting a person, but hurting animals often LEADS to hurting people. Look at the life histories of serial killers. Many of them started torturing animals before they moved on to people.
What it all adds up to, imo, is that people who enjoy inflicting pain on the helpless have sick souls, and I wonder if they CAN be rehabilitated, or perhaps hablitated at all. And I have no clue as to what should be done about them.

And yes, fool though I may be, I do think children are more important than animals. Don't tell anyone. It'll ruin my image. (And anyway, I didn't say that I liked them more.)
 

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Yes, yes, I think everyone can agree that crimes against humans are more important of an issue than crimes against animals, but this isn't about that. Why try to turn this thread around about putting focus on child molesters and such. Of course those are important issues, but this thread is about Michael Vick. In this case, he not only fought dogs, but he allegedly tortured them to death as well. Let's keep to this topic.
 

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You're right. Fighting dogs, I could maybe get past. Torturing and murdering them? Probably not.
 

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but at least he WAS convicted, DID have to serve some time, and pay plenty of fines. That's more than many animal abusers will ever face IMO.
except he was not convicted of any kind of animal abuse and did no time for animal abuse. his conviction and jail time were for racketeering charges, iirc.
 

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The topic is supposed to be about the 10 part series where he is attempting to show what a nice guy he is, how rehabilitated he is and so forth. I doubt ANY animal lover will be won over no matter what he does, and rightfully so.

Vick WAS convicted of the crimes he was accused of, he WAS punished under the laws we have in place. If people don't like it, then new laws need to be in place for the next Vick. Plain and simple. Of course the topic is going to shift to other things along the same lines........THAT'S how intelligent conversations tend to go ;)

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except he was not convicted of any kind of animal abuse and did no time for animal abuse. his conviction and jail time were for racketeering charges, iirc.
This I did not know! :eek: I guess I tuned out after the topic was so splattered everywhere and I didn't want to hear about it anymore!
 

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except he was not convicted of any kind of animal abuse and did no time for animal abuse. his conviction and jail time were for racketeering charges, iirc.
This is true. He was not charged with actual dog fighting or animal cruelty. He was charged basically for financing the whole operation.
 

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He's still a jackass and I will always label him as such. I don't care how much money or suffering he's gone under, he's still a little f*cker.
Seriously!!!!

To me, there is no amount of community service, apologies, or crying that one can do to redeem themselves in this situation. I mean, he's a GROWN, privileged man who has been fighting, torturing and murdering dogs for years. What excuse can he possibly make for himself? It's not like he was doing it to make money to survive, or because he was trapped in the ghetto. He was doing all of this in a mansion, for his own pleasure.

I don't disagree with you. But I'd rather see this kind of negative energy put towards pedophiles or rapists.
I can direct my hatred toward ALL douchebags, simultaneously. Additionally, people who torture animals for fun are often the same people who torture human beings for fun.
 

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I did not know that he hadn't been convicted on animal cruelty charges. Guess I, too, just could not pay attention past a certain point. So after all the pain and misery he inflicted, he gets off scot-free? AND gets back his incredibly lucrative job? AND stars in a major TV series?

Huh. Guess they're waiting for him do something really bad.
 

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Hurting an animal isn't the SAME as hurting a person, but hurting animals often LEADS to hurting people. Look at the life histories of serial killers. Many of them started torturing animals before they moved on to people.
Does hurting animals lead to hurting people....or do those who are going to grow up to hurt people start with animals because they can't hurt people yet?

Serial killers are a different sort. :eek:

In regards to Vick...no TV means no worrys about seeing any "project".

I'm curious, did he receive any ban on owning animals after this was all said and done.

Edited to add: And I detest football...:p
 

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