Texas seceding

Gempress

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This is sad. I'm from Texas, and for the most part I'm quite happy to live here. But this whole secede business.....*sigh* :doh: An overwhelming majority of the people in Texas, even the ones who don't like Obama, are quite happy being American. And we're just as "WTF??" about the petition as most other people in the U.S.

The whole secede thing has been around for years. I've had the (mis)fortune of talking with some of the leaders who are actively involved in pushing the movement. I will tell you: it boggles the mind at how out-of-touch they are. You'd think that they'd be looking at it from a realistic view and creating a viable plan for the Nation of Texas. But these people....yikes. Here's some of the common themes I've heard from them. I swear I'm not making any of this up.

1) All Texans would stay in Texas. They think that everyone who currently lives here would stay put if Texas seceded. Umm....NO. I'd estimate that most of the population would pull up stakes and head to the United States. And quite a few of them have said that not only would they leave, they would burn their homes and businesses to the ground on the way out so that Texas could not have them.

2) All of the U.S. military currently here would stay and become the Texas military. When I asked them what their plan was for defense of the country of Texas, the answer I got was, "We already have a military ready to go. All those military bases like Lackland and Fort Hood are in Texas, so we'll have plenty of soldiers and equipment for our country." They think that all the U.S. military personnel already here would stay in Texas, along with the planes, tanks, and other equipment, that are here. The think the same thing would happen with all other Federal entities, such as FBI, Border Patrol, TSA, etc. Of course in reality, the U.S. military and the feds would withdraw and strip their facilities bare rather than give them to another country.

3) All businesses would stay. Once again, no.

So basically, they seriously think that everything will stay exactly as it is in Texas, except for no U.S. government. That's their grand plan for the future.

So that's my rant. Cookies if you read it all. And I've decided that if Texas really does somehow secede, I'm moving to the NEW 50th state in the union: Austin. :D

http://www.austinchronicle.com/blog...-obama-if-texas-secedes-can-we-stay-with-you/
 
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Pretty sure the exact thing last time. Just ignore it until it all blows over and people realize nothing has changed.
 

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It's kinda embarrassing to me. It's only .33 percent of the population who signed that petition, yet it makes us all look bad. I have friends and family in other states who asked me what the heck is up with my state. *sigh*
 

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1) All Texans would stay in Texas. They think that everyone who currently lives here would stay put if Texas seceded. Umm....NO. I'd estimate that most of the population would pull up stakes and head to the United States. And quite a few of them have said that not only would they leave, they would burn their homes and businesses to the ground on the way out so that Texas could not have them.
Oh yeah, and THAT doesn't sound crazy either...

Agree with CatStina, it happens, nothing ever comes of it, meh. Behaviour is undesirable = ignore behaviour.
 

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Is this not normal in every state? Vermont has a group that wants to secede as well. They even have a flag and such, and I see it around. I kind of assumed every state talked about it....
 

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Is this not normal in every state? Vermont has a group that wants to secede as well. They even have a flag and such, and I see it around. I kind of assumed every state talked about it....
Every state does have a group. I even heard people here claiming the united states were going to split into two countries... civil war style.

I think that the texan group might just be a bit more vocal about it, and everyone knows texans are actually crazy enough to do it. lol.

But yeah, if you just ignore it it will eventually go away. It hasn't even been a month since the election.
 

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Every state does have a group. I even heard people here claiming the united states were going to split into two countries... civil war style.
I think all the notice it's getting is because Texas actually got enough signatures on the petition to quality for a response from the White House.
 

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Every state does have a group. I even heard people here claiming the united states were going to split into two countries... civil war style.

I think that the texan group might just be a bit more vocal about it, and everyone knows texans are actually crazy enough to do it. lol.

But yeah, if you just ignore it it will eventually go away. It hasn't even been a month since the election.
I had to look it up because I'd never even heard a whisper of such a thing in my state. Apparently there is indeed a petition...which has be signed by the equivalent of 0.03% of the populations of the state. But it gets better...looking down through the signature list (online), perhaps 1 in 10 at most are actually people from Ohio. Most of the signatures have a location listed as Texas, North Carolina, etc. So make that less than 0.003% of the state that signed the online version anyway. Quite a movement they got going there... :p:rolleyes:

There was also one guy who apparently wrote a book and tried to start a movement. The book flopped of course and his site is closed down due to lack of traffic/interest. Apparently we are just not secessionist folk.
 

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I've heard that there are quite a few signatures on the Texas petition from people in other states. It makes me wonder: do they want Texas to secede so they can move here, or are they just trying to get rid of Texas? :rofl1:
 
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From the Secessionist convention in Chattanooga, TN -- in 2007

They don't sound so crazy . . .

We, the delegates of the secession movements represented at the Second North American Secessionist Convention, acknowledging our differences, yet agree on the following truths:

1. The deepest questions of human liberty and government facing our time go beyond right and left, and in fact have made the old left-right split meaningless and dead.

2. The privileges, monopolies, and powers that private corporations have won from government threaten everyone’s health, prosperity, and liberty, and have already killed American self-government by the people.

3. The power of corporations endangers liberty as much as government power, especially when they are combined as in the American Empire.

4. Liberty can only survive if political power is returned from faraway and self-interested centers to local communities and states.

5. The American Empire is no longer a nation or a republic, but has become a tyrant aggressive abroad and despotic at home.

6. The states of the American union are and of right ought to be, free and self-governing.

7. Without secession, liberty and self-government can never be sustained, and diversity among human societies can never survive.

Signed:
Mark A. Thomey Franklin Sanders
Thomas R. McBerry, Jr. Thomas Moore
Eugene C. Case Larry S. Kilgore
Lynette Clark Dexter O. Clark
David Towery Michael C. Tuggle
Walter D. Kennedy Robert Pritchett
Cory Burnell Thomas N. Naylor
Kirkpatrick Sale Michael Hill
http://www.middleburyinstitute.org/chattanoogadeclaration2007.html

http://www.middleburyinstitute.org/
 

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I don't know... I see the petitions as more of a statement that folks don't like where the federal government is heading and are making that point in a way that gets some attention from the media, and though I doubt it will work, the White House... Sure, there are a few who are serious but I think the majority see secession only as an absolute last resort.

Interesting how other petitions have cropped up labeling those people who signed the secession petitions as traitors who should be charged with treason and jailed - guess those folks think free speech is only for people who agree with them...
 

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Interesting how other petitions have cropped up labeling those people who signed the secession petitions as traitors who should be charged with treason and jailed - guess those folks think free speech is only for people who agree with them...
My thoughts exactly. *sigh*
 
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Free speech is one think, trying to secede IMHO is totally another.

Secession is serious, its not something you use as a threat or protest. If you say it, you should mean it and have a plan and yes, I do think its treasonous. (And I am not talking about mentioning it in passing, I am talking about signing petitions etc)
 
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Free speech is one think, trying to secede IMHO is totally another.

Secession is serious, its not something you use as a threat or protest. If you say it, you should mean it and have a plan and yes, I do think its treasonous. (And I am not talking about mentioning it in passing, I am talking about signing petitions etc)
But is it really treasonous? Is revolution not a responsibility when the most basic principles of the Constitution -- that which defines this country from its conception -- have been subverted and even outright discarded?

The liberties of our Country, the freedom of our civil constitution are worth defending at all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have receiv'd them as a fair Inheritance from our worthy Ancestors: They purchas'd them for us with toil and danger and expence of treasure and blood; and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle; or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men. Of the latter we are in most danger at present: Let us therefore be aware of it. Let us contemplate our forefathers and posterity; and resolve to maintain the rights bequeath'd to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. — Instead of sitting down satisfied with the efforts we have already made, which is the wish of our enemies, the necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that "if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom." It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event.

~Samuel Adams, October, 1771
 

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